Rovim Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Axl's music is less bloated now compared to things like Locomotive, but somehow a lot of the long epics worked surprisingly well like Estranged, Locomotive, Civil War, and November Rain.Breakdown and Coma felt long, but there was a lot to say there, and you felt it wasn't a waste of time listening to those songs (except the annoying ass chorus in Breakdown let me not hear it now)There Was A Time is leaner, Catcher too. Prostitute is similar to Locomotive with it's 2 minute outro and lead breaks, and it shows Axl found a way to create modern short long Gn'R epics, but then again Street Of Dreams was really effective as a UYI styled tune that proved Axl can still write those as well. But it ain't progressive. None of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Axl's music is less bloated now compared to things like Locomotive, but somehow a lot of the long epics worked surprisingly well like Estranged, Locomotive, Civil War, and November Rain.Breakdown and Coma felt long, but there was a lot to say there, and you felt it wasn't a waste of time listening to those songs (except the annoying ass chorus in Breakdown let me not hear it now)There Was A Time is leaner, Catcher too. Prostitute is similar to Locomotive with it's 2 minute outro and lead breaks, and it shows Axl found a way to create modern short long Gn'R epics, but then again Street Of Dreams was really effective as a UYI styled tune that proved Axl can still write those as well. But it ain't progressive. None of it.yes - biggest parallel is prostitute which ironically ends the last chapter of current gnr progressive song in a sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rush Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) GN'R doesn't have a progressive song in their catalog. Honestly, Shackler's is about as close as you get to it.You need to look up what progressive sounds like. Slash would shit his pants if he had to play Dream Theater/John Petrucci guitar parts.of course they have progressive songs it is just that you dont know what it means if you think SR is prog. NR is guns most progresive and best composed You apparently don't listen to anyone other than GN'R. Look up prog rock/metal.Let me guess, you think 'Garden of Eden' is thrash metal?If you think NR is prog rock then there's just nothing else I have to say. you dont know who are you talking to. prog rock and metal is pretty much the only thing i listen to: dream theater, rush, yes, haken, forward shapes, porcupine tree, etc, and a lot of less known prog bands. my whole music life revolves around prog so you are.the one to reevaluate your concept of what prog is. i havent listened to gnr in a while. i feel competent enough to state that NR is gnr most prog work Edited June 22, 2014 by the rush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Cigarettes Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Sorry, I didn't 'realize who I was talking to' So..... I'm thinking you did a quick Google search for prog bands cause if you have actually listened to any of those bands you listed, you'd know what I'm talking about. Guns is a lot of things, progressive is not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rush Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 you realize you know nothing about me and are regardless making claims about my music taste and listening experience. I know every DT song by heart, half of Rush's songs by heart. Music I'm composing is extremely progressive (more so than any other band i've listened to) but we don't have to stop here so that you take my word for it. we can discuss. please tell me what progressive music is and tell me why you think SR is closest to prog that gnr have done and then I'l give you my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseDemocracy2004 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I do like the pre-chorus a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) I think we're making progress. Shackler's is actually progressive murder disco shredtap rock. Edited June 22, 2014 by Rovim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rush Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 what is progressive abou shackler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Cigarettes Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I don't know what else to say to this guy. For the record, neither are really prog but to claim NR is and shacklers not leaves me speechless. The prog community would hunt this guy down and kill him for even mentioning the name gnr and prog together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) I don't know what else to say to this guy.For the record, neither are really prog but to claim NR is and shacklers not leaves me speechless.The prog community would hunt this guy down and kill him for even mentioning the name gnr and prog togetherThey sound like they mean business. Maybe I should delete my previous post. Edited June 22, 2014 by Rovim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellobeatle Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I don't know what else to say to this guy. For the record, neither are really prog but to claim NR is and shacklers not leaves me speechless. The prog community would hunt this guy down and kill him for even mentioning the name gnr and prog togetherProg rock is for virgins and ugly chasers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rush Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 ok, i see i have to do the dirty work. why NR is why Locomotive Locomotive sort of is and why shackler moste definitely isn't. Music can be progresive in song structure or in more technical things like time signatures and developement of melodies on each instrument.shackler has basic rock structure Verse.Chorus-solo Chorus. 0% proginstrumentation: drums 0%, bass 0%, guitars are kind of progressive, but only the parts during verses taht Ron put together.Locomotive structure: has a prolonged instrumental intro more orl less samey middle part of chorus verse and a distinct outro, I'd say that the structure is mildly progresive, instruments not so much,NR has an elaborate structure with prolonged intro with a melody that develops (not repetitive), there are numerous transitions of motives which are smoothly done and without any repetitive "rules". even solos are not your typical solos but elaborate segments which hold their own place ina the whole composition, then the outro which is different but not out of place. the whole songs progresses from beginning til end: progresssive song structure 100%. Instrumentation is also very progressive with noe melodies or riffs that are repeated over and over againg on both guitars and bass as well as symhonic bacgground.ok, your turn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Cigarettes Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I don't know what else to say to this guy.For the record, neither are really prog but to claim NR is and shacklers not leaves me speechless.The prog community would hunt this guy down and kill him for even mentioning the name gnr and prog togetherProg rock is for virgins and ugly chasers.Also, mouth breathing booger eaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristmasFnatic Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I dont think its called progressive rock, but its arguably the best GNR song. Better than ALL ChiDem tracks combined! If any, it should be longer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadcaplaughs Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I do not know if I would call any track in the Guns N' Roses canon progressive, but I do think "Locomotive" is a top 5 GN'R track for sure. In many ways I see it as the defining song of the Use Your Illusion era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I do not know if I would call any track in the Guns N' Roses canon progressive, but I do think "Locomotive" is a top 5 GN'R track for sure. In many ways I see it as the defining song of the Use Your Illusion era. November Rain is the song that defines that era for me. But it was so fractured as an album that there is a defining song for every member except of Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Diet Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I dunno. It's basically a Slash riff with some breaks, a chorus and an Axl piano piece added at the end. As far as complex song structure, if that is what we mean by progressive, then I think Coma beats Locomotive, and songs off CD is quite progressive too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Who confirmed it was Axl who wrote the piano outro? I thought it was Dizzy. Either way, it's beautiful.Best Gn'R song. The outro itself is one of the most orgasmic pieces of music I have heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 DTJ n Loco seem like demos for Shacklers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Progressive? Not at all. Talking about progressive-ish performances, TWAT outro comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Catcher is the most progressive song plot of all time. Even Axl doesn't know what he sings but it somehow works tying Caulfield, Chapman and Salinger together with beautiful nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 All I know is that the bassline just before the outro and the ending wah pedal work are perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Catcher is the most progressive song plot of all time. Even Axl doesn't know what he sings but it somehow works tying Caulfield, Chapman and Salinger together with beautiful nonsense.i bought CD and i don't even care to remember catcher it is so underwhelming especially the chorus - CD only has prostitute that comes close to progressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broskirose Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Catcher is a great song with a bad mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Catcher is a terrible song with Axl's whiny vocals, lack of any memorable moment or melody and Ron's noise (can't call it a solo) is just terrible. Synth solo break is cute, Axl trying to sound modern Demo version is a lot better, still not even close to the greatness of Locomotive. Axl must stick to hard rock and love ballads, he can't do other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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