Matt13 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Comparing the current GNR to U2 is like comparing a stand-alone hot dog cart to the Empire State Building... GNR being the hot dog cart. I'm not much of a fan of U2 at all. But, they are so far and beyond what GNR is it's laughable that anyone is even trying to compare the two. U2 is absolutely huge, among the biggest bands in the world popularity wise. GNR WAS one of the biggest bands in the world for a very, very short time. Less than 7 years. To the general public, GNR is dead. Whether anyone likes it or not, GNR will always be Axl and Slash and pretty much any other cast of players behind them. To true diehards, it'll always be Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven/Matt. Casual music fans may be pleasantly surprised to hear Axl is occasionally touring a GNR greatest hits cover band... or see Slash still active coming up with some nice licks. But to anyone outside of this forum, and I think most of the people on this forum now, would only take GNR seriously if Axl and Slash were working together. Period. Even if they did start to collaborate again under the GNR banner, they may be able to get some worldwide attention and fame for a short time again. Maybe even churn out a couple great rock albums as they ride off into the sunset. But they'll never be able to match the same level of popularity as U2. Too many wasted years have gone by. GNR could have been the biggest rock band of all time, but that's done been flushed down the toilet and that ship has long since sailed. As for the OP's question, there's nothing wrong with being a nostalgia act IF you're a band that has stayed together for the most part from the beginning and have churned out a huge amount of music and hits.What is wrong is that GNR is not a nostalgia act. They're basically a COVER BAND, a tribute act. And, frankly, it's now in a very, very sad state. There was no soul creative force in GNR from the get-go, like say NIN. For example, Trent Reznor can get away with being NIN because, especially in the early days, he wrote everything. Hell, he even played everything in the studio for his albums. GNR was a creative force of several musicians, and that 'magic' or 'sound' will never be the same without the core of that creative force. Most notably, Axl, Slash, Izzy and Duff. Guns N' Roses. Whatever it is today is a joke. Sad but true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Feeling sorry for wkuk04 at this point. Guy has been humiliated with facts and true information but he refuses to accept that he's dead wrong. Poor soul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Comparing the current GNR to U2 is like comparing a stand-alone hot dog cart to the Empire State Building... GNR being the hot dog cart. For the record, I agree. But that is a hilarious comparison lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Jimi Hendrix and Michael Jackson have both released two albums apiece since Axl released Chinese Democracy and they are both dead!Words literally cannot describe the laziness of Axl.Well, they're dead, so they don't count. Imagine if Axl died. We'd have two new albums, a remix album, a few DVDs and maybe even his fucking book by next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) I don`t understand why some " Axl fans" bring up U2 to justify their bullshit white knighting for prince almighty. Personally, I detest post Achtung Baby U2, I think everything they have done since then has been one big steaming pile of excrements ( except ' Sometimes You Can`t make It On Your Own" and few tolerable songs here and there ), they have become another run of the mill, commercialised pop rock abomination but at least they function as a BAND, they`re huge and popular ( not that it matters for me ) it`s a simple reality, they release music on reasonable time yes, most of it is rubbish but they keep their fans satisfied. I wish Axl functioned half as good as U2 does. I begrudge Axl lack of output not carrying on Guns N`Roses, he had every right to do so, he formed this band after all not Slash or Duff but his actions did n`t warrant him hijacking the name and running it to the gutter. He`s been squandering away his and his bandmates` talents for more more than two decades. Edited March 20, 2015 by Dark Knight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercourse Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Jimi Hendrix and Michael Jackson have both released two albums apiece since Axl released Chinese Democracy and they are both dead!Words literally cannot describe the laziness of Axl.Well, they're dead, so they don't count. Imagine if Axl died. We'd have two new albums, a remix album, a few DVDs and maybe even his fucking book by next month.Worse, with Fernando taking Axl's place for a new world tour, Beta at the helm and EMO Manchild extolling the whole endeavour as the true spirit of dangerous rock n roll.Brazilian Democracy starts now. Edited March 20, 2015 by Intercourse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 There isn't a whole lot of official numbers regarding CD sales, I looked & looked but couldn't find anything until I found that graph on another Guns N' Roses forum, that graph was released a few months after CD came out. Regarding all your other comments, all the advice I can give is don't be so bitter, cheer up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majormayhem Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I wonder if Axl still won't be told that he's been lost in the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I wonder if Axl still won't be told that he's been lost in the storm.I guess its cause he is never too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 There isn't a whole lot of official numbers regarding CD sales, I looked & looked but couldn't find anything until I found that graph on another Guns N' Roses forum, that graph was released a few months after CD came out. Regarding all your other comments, all the advice I can give is don't be so bitter, cheer up. So you admit the 6-7 million copies was probably double what has actually been sold?And you aren't willing to share your opinion on how well you think Axl has ran his version of GnR over the last 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) There isn't a whole lot of official numbers regarding CD sales, I looked & looked but couldn't find anything until I found that graph on another Guns N' Roses forum, that graph was released a few months after CD came out. Regarding all your other comments, all the advice I can give is don't be so bitter, cheer up. So you admit the 6-7 million copies was probably double what has actually been sold?And you aren't willing to share your opinion on how well you think Axl has ran his version of GnR over the last 20 years?I'm estimating its sold over 5 million worldwide, I don't have official figures or anything. Best Buy bought millions of the CD's to distribute, how many have they sold? I don't know. One album in 20 years is disappointing I'm not denying that, it also helps if your not getting sued from all angles including your old bandmates Duff said "We were like a gang", Slash & Duff sued Axl, do gangs sue each other? And it turned out to be a clerical error by ASCAP), but Slash & Duff sure where quick to point the finger at Axl legally, Izzy sent the lawyers after Axl after he left in 1991, so did Steven. But Axl's behaviour, timekeeping didn't exactly help things either. They all need to accept individual errors with regards to the breakup. Now with future music being released, I'm trying to keep positive that we will get CD:2 in the fall of this year. Edited March 20, 2015 by wkuk04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 There isn't a whole lot of official numbers regarding CD sales, I looked & looked but couldn't find anything until I found that graph on another Guns N' Roses forum, that graph was released a few months after CD came out. Regarding all your other comments, all the advice I can give is don't be so bitter, cheer up. So you admit the 6-7 million copies was probably double what has actually been sold?And you aren't willing to share your opinion on how well you think Axl has ran his version of GnR over the last 20 years?I'm estimating its sold over 5 million worldwide, I don't have official figures or anything. Best Buy bought millions of the CD's to distribute, how many have they sold? I don't know. One album in 20 years is disappointing I'm not denying that, it also helps if your not getting sued from all angles including your old bandmates Duff said "We were like a gang", Slash & Duff sued Axl, do gangs sue each other? And it turned out to be a clerical error by ASCAP), but Slash & Duff sure where quick to point the finger at Axl legally, Izzy sent the lawyers after Axl after he left in 1991, so did Steven. But Axl's behaviour, timekeeping didn't exactly help things either. They all need to accept individual errors with regards to the breakup. Now with future music being released, I'm trying to keep positive that we will get CD:2 in the fall of this year. While I think you put way too much blame on Slash/Duff/Steven/Izzy and not enough on Mr. Rose......and 4 million would be a stretch................but I agree, I'm really hoping we get a new album in the fall of this year.I would love for Axl to shut up all the "haters" by releasing 3-4 more kick ass albums over the following decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 There isn't a whole lot of official numbers regarding CD sales, I looked & looked but couldn't find anything until I found that graph on another Guns N' Roses forum, that graph was released a few months after CD came out. Regarding all your other comments, all the advice I can give is don't be so bitter, cheer up. So you admit the 6-7 million copies was probably double what has actually been sold?And you aren't willing to share your opinion on how well you think Axl has ran his version of GnR over the last 20 years?I'm estimating its sold over 5 million worldwide, I don't have official figures or anything. Best Buy bought millions of the CD's to distribute, how many have they sold? I don't know. One album in 20 years is disappointing I'm not denying that, it also helps if your not getting sued from all angles including your old bandmates Duff said "We were like a gang", Slash & Duff sued Axl, do gangs sue each other? And it turned out to be a clerical error by ASCAP), but Slash & Duff sure where quick to point the finger at Axl legally, Izzy sent the lawyers after Axl after he left in 1991, so did Steven. But Axl's behaviour, timekeeping didn't exactly help things either. They all need to accept individual errors with regards to the breakup. Now with future music being released, I'm trying to keep positive that we will get CD:2 in the fall of this year. While I think you put way too much blame on Slash/Duff/Steven/Izzy and not enough on Mr. Rose......and 4 million would be a stretch................but I agree, I'm really hoping we get a new album in the fall of this year.I would love for Axl to shut up all the "haters" by releasing 3-4 more kick ass albums over the following decade.That would be awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) I am assuming the sharp and bright point has already been made that this Guns N' Roses line up only has Axl and Dizzy from the old days. It also is an absolute fucking quagmire when it comes to even being an applicable CD era nostalgia band... and the next tour will be chinese democracy 5 or something. Edited March 20, 2015 by RandallFlagg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Can you even buy CD anymore, in a store that is? If the only place you can buy it is online, that will make it more difficult, if not impossible to to reach multiplatinum status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Can you even buy CD anymore, in a store that is? If the only place you can buy it is online, that will make it more difficult, if not impossible to to reach multiplatinum status.Yes, at Dollar Tree, and they are the same CDs that Best Buy were selling since they also had the Best Buy Exclusive sticker. Before that Best Buy had it on sale for $1.99.I'm still laughing at the ridiculous figure or 6-7 million sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majormayhem Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I picked one up at Goodwill for $3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bono Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 There isn't a whole lot of official numbers regarding CD sales, I looked & looked but couldn't find anything until I found that graph on another Guns N' Roses forum, that graph was released a few months after CD came out. Regarding all your other comments, all the advice I can give is don't be so bitter, cheer up. So you admit the 6-7 million copies was probably double what has actually been sold?And you aren't willing to share your opinion on how well you think Axl has ran his version of GnR over the last 20 years?I'm estimating its sold over 5 million worldwide, I don't have official figures or anything. Best Buy bought millions of the CD's to distribute, how many have they sold? I don't know. One album in 20 years is disappointing I'm not denying that, it also helps if your not getting sued from all angles including your old bandmates Duff said "We were like a gang", Slash & Duff sued Axl, do gangs sue each other? And it turned out to be a clerical error by ASCAP), but Slash & Duff sure where quick to point the finger at Axl legally, Izzy sent the lawyers after Axl after he left in 1991, so did Steven. But Axl's behaviour, timekeeping didn't exactly help things either. They all need to accept individual errors with regards to the breakup. Now with future music being released, I'm trying to keep positive that we will get CD:2 in the fall of this year. All Im hearing is BLAME, BLAME, BLAME, BLAME. Everybody's fault but Axl's. You sure you're not Axl or at least on the payroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 "I'm estimating it sold over 5 million worldwide, I don't have official figures" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn_It_Up Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Who cares what it sold--it sold 99.9% of its copies on the back of the old band and the HoF brand they built. CD's music registered nowhere, came and passed without making a blip. Unlike the revamped Alice in Chains who had 2 huge #1 rocks singles with BGWTB. Not nearly as commercial a band as Guns, but the music found people because they actually dug it for good reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 'What makes GNR different? Should a band always try and push new material and creativity?'What makes them different is the fact they all went their separate ways leaving one member behind who decided to continue using the name. It was during these times the 'band' ceased to exist. One member + a bunch of various hired-hands does not add up to being GN'R. The new line up(s) became a cover band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We know all this. So why do people have to hammer home the same old points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trin9498 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I've said it before and I'll say it again. One album in 20 years. It's not rocket science. It ended a looooooong time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We know all this. So why do people have to hammer home the same old points?I agree, bub. It's like the people who bash Slash in every post. Or claim that CD sold 7 million copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We know all this. So why do people have to hammer home the same old points?I agree, bub.It's like the people who bash Slash in every post. Or claim that CD sold 7 million copies.Are they performing or about to board the next Nasa space mission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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