The Hateful Eight - New/Second Trailer!

[Powerage5]

yeah the n word was over used but i think QT is just doing it to piss people off namely Spike Lee

i'd be lying if i said i didn't laugh at the "the ___, in the stable, has a letter from Lincoln?" bit though

The one that had me cracking up was when Mannix proudly announces "Major hooray for tolerance!, the General would like to inform you he was also at the battle of Baton Rouge!"

[DieselDaisy]

Because as we all know, letters are exactly how people talk. They are not. I do agree, he rode the N word train pretty hard in this movie, but to suggest that a word wasn't used as much because it isn't in the written word is ridiculous. I'm not stupid enough to write the same way I talk (outside of forums obviously), I doubt they were then either.

You can look at verbatim accounts of speeches from the time and you will also see 'negro' used far more.

[Len Cnut]

Because as we all know, letters are exactly how people talk. They are not. I do agree, he rode the N word train pretty hard in this movie, but to suggest that a word wasn't used as much because it isn't in the written word is ridiculous. I'm not stupid enough to write the same way I talk (outside of forums obviously), I doubt they were then either.

I don't think it was ever out of context or gratuitous in the sense that it didn't fit the setting, the time etc etc

Anyway, it's obvious here that the objection isn't 'why is the word n!gger being used', the objection is why is a white person doing it and the answer to that is he's not, it's characters in a work of fiction that is set in a specific time and is being uttered by people that said that shit.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Len B'stard

[DieselDaisy]

So are we just accept that olde banana chin is taking a bunch of shock stuff and chucking it together, controversial subject matter et al. Well it worked for She Wolf of the SS. He is going to run foul to notorious windbags like Spike Lee then.

He is a strange director for me. I should love his films by the laws of logic seeing as he likes all the same films I do, but everyone since Jackie Brown seems just like a bunch of shit thrown together - thrown together gloriously mind but still just, thrown together regardless. And do I really want to see L Jackson with his todger in some dirty old hillbilly's mouth? If I wanted to see something like that, I would ask Pit for some porno recommendations. Well, maybe Jackson is thinking this is a better role for him than Mace Windu?

[AxlisOld]

Because as we all know, letters are exactly how people talk. They are not. I do agree, he rode the N word train pretty hard in this movie, but to suggest that a word wasn't used as much because it isn't in the written word is ridiculous. I'm not stupid enough to write the same way I talk (outside of forums obviously), I doubt they were then either.

You can look at verbatim accounts of speeches from the time and you will also see 'negro' used far more.

It's a SPEECH. Again, do you really think they'd pepper in slurs to actual speeches? It's the same concept as letters. It was a slur back then too, just an acceptable one. Are you really not getting the separation between talk and speeches/letters?

[DieselDaisy]

Because as we all know, letters are exactly how people talk. They are not. I do agree, he rode the N word train pretty hard in this movie, but to suggest that a word wasn't used as much because it isn't in the written word is ridiculous. I'm not stupid enough to write the same way I talk (outside of forums obviously), I doubt they were then either.

You can look at verbatim accounts of speeches from the time and you will also see 'negro' used far more.

It's a SPEECH. Again, do you really think they'd pepper in slurs to actual speeches? It's the same concept as letters. It was a slur back then too, just an acceptable one. Are you really not getting the separation between talk and speeches/letters?

I think you should go back and read closely at what I said! I also think you should think about the fact that neither negro nor the n-word were considered 'slurs' in those days by the mass majority considering they both related to a people considered pretty much subhuman! The two words were actually used interchangeably, the n-word being the more colloquial. My argument is, 'negro' was the prevalent term.

[Black Sabbath]

Didn't get to see the Roadshow edition, but I'm gonna go see the regular theatrical tomorrow hopefully.

[AxlisOld]

Because as we all know, letters are exactly how people talk. They are not. I do agree, he rode the N word train pretty hard in this movie, but to suggest that a word wasn't used as much because it isn't in the written word is ridiculous. I'm not stupid enough to write the same way I talk (outside of forums obviously), I doubt they were then either.

You can look at verbatim accounts of speeches from the time and you will also see 'negro' used far more.

It's a SPEECH. Again, do you really think they'd pepper in slurs to actual speeches? It's the same concept as letters. It was a slur back then too, just an acceptable one. Are you really not getting the separation between talk and speeches/letters?

I think you should go back and read closely at what I said! I also think you should think about the fact that neither negro nor the n-word were considered 'slurs' in those days by the mass majority considering they both related to a people considered pretty much subhuman! The two words were actually used interchangeably, the n-word being the more colloquial. My argument is, 'negro' was the prevalent term.

But even you just stated, it was colloquial, probably used in everyday speech, rather than speeches. N!gger has always been a derogatory term since it's first use.

[arnold layne]

black people

[DieselDaisy]

Because as we all know, letters are exactly how people talk. They are not. I do agree, he rode the N word train pretty hard in this movie, but to suggest that a word wasn't used as much because it isn't in the written word is ridiculous. I'm not stupid enough to write the same way I talk (outside of forums obviously), I doubt they were then either.

You can look at verbatim accounts of speeches from the time and you will also see 'negro' used far more.

It's a SPEECH. Again, do you really think they'd pepper in slurs to actual speeches? It's the same concept as letters. It was a slur back then too, just an acceptable one. Are you really not getting the separation between talk and speeches/letters?

I think you should go back and read closely at what I said! I also think you should think about the fact that neither negro nor the n-word were considered 'slurs' in those days by the mass majority considering they both related to a people considered pretty much subhuman! The two words were actually used interchangeably, the n-word being the more colloquial. My argument is, 'negro' was the prevalent term.

But even you just stated, it was colloquial, probably used in everyday speech, rather than speeches.

I would normally agree with this - I partially still do in fact - if it was not that we were dealing with American politics of the mid-19th century. There has never been a more factitious and volatile time in American politics, particularly the period c.1841-61. The point of the matter is n!gger was used in public discourse, by politicians, while addressing crowds. I would tentatively say that a southerner would be more inclined to use n!gger whereas a Yankee would use 'negro'. Even an abolitionist would use 'negro' without a hint of the pejorative about it. But you will definitely see 'negro' more. You can read diaries by slave owners and overseers which were never intended for public consumption which confirm this. You can read verbatim accounts of speeches. The point of the matter is, you would see both terms but you would not see it with the same frequency as you would a Tarantino film - and you would certainly hear 'negro' more, in its place.

I would not normally single this out but he's had this thing in his films since the beginning. It has become his cultural trope, his cliche. And when you switch to the 19th century, its prevalence is even more curious.

He is obsessed with the term.

N!gger has always been a derogatory term since it's first use.

I am not sure I agree. What people find insulting is culturally and historically relevant. The word is cognate with the Latin term for black. Niger (it is pronounced exactly the same as the offensive term) just means 'black'. If you were to say, ''this black shoe'' in Latin you would have to use the term. From the earliest European navigators, to Mark Twain, to Guy Gibson in The Dam Busters, there have certainly been people throughout history who have used the term and not implied an insult but merely implied a term to describe a person of African origin with black skin (in comparison to their paler skin). The term only became derogatory because it became attached to trans-Atlantic slavery, but the change in connotation was a protracted one. It did not suddenly become offensive overnight and people continued to use it.

It is ironic that 'negro' is now considered derogatory yet this was the term used by abolitionists and/or freed blacks.

[bacardimayne]

Rewatched it last night. Enjoyed it more and less at the same time. The movie loses a lot of its luster when you're not actively involved in trying to figure out who's bad and who's not, but it's also fun to pick up on the clues, knowing who is who.

[Black Sabbath]

Saw it today. I enjoyed it, though I don't think it cracked my Top 3.

Pretty sure a couple walked out early because of the use of the N word

I was expecting the dude playing the Mexican to come out as someone actually pretending to be Mexican the whole time, that's how much I thought his actions seemed "forced", but other than that, didn't have any real problems with the performances.

8/10

[Powerage5]

Saw it today. I enjoyed it, though I don't think it cracked my Top 3.

Pretty sure a couple walked out early because of the use of the N word

I was expecting the dude playing the Mexican to come out as someone actually pretending to be Mexican the whole time, that's how much I thought his actions seemed "forced", but other than that, didn't have any real problems with the performances.

8/10

hooray for tolerance! please, they said the N word at least twice as much in Django - I don't get why people are having a huge problem with it again. Yes, Tarantino likes to use race-y dialogue, you should be used to it by now.

Speaking of accents and whatnot, I fucking love that Tim Roth covered up his Cockney accent with a more proper British accent when he was "in character"

[Black Sabbath]

Saw it today. I enjoyed it, though I don't think it cracked my Top 3.

Pretty sure a couple walked out early because of the use of the N word

I was expecting the dude playing the Mexican to come out as someone actually pretending to be Mexican the whole time, that's how much I thought his actions seemed "forced", but other than that, didn't have any real problems with the performances.

8/10

hooray for tolerance! please, they said the N word at least twice as much in Django - I don't get why people are having a huge problem with it again. Yes, Tarantino likes to use race-y dialogue, you should be used to it by now.

Speaking of accents and whatnot, I fucking love that Tim Roth covered up his Cockney accent with a more proper British accent when he was "in character"

I didn't say I had a problem with it, hooray for tolerance!

[Powerage5]

Saw it today. I enjoyed it, though I don't think it cracked my Top 3.

Pretty sure a couple walked out early because of the use of the N word

I was expecting the dude playing the Mexican to come out as someone actually pretending to be Mexican the whole time, that's how much I thought his actions seemed "forced", but other than that, didn't have any real problems with the performances.

8/10

hooray for tolerance! please, they said the N word at least twice as much in Django - I don't get why people are having a huge problem with it again. Yes, Tarantino likes to use race-y dialogue, you should be used to it by now.

Speaking of accents and whatnot, I fucking love that Tim Roth covered up his Cockney accent with a more proper British accent when he was "in character"

I didn't say I had a problem with it, hooray for tolerance!

That wasn't directed at you literally, just in general

[DieselDaisy]

I just do not think I like his films. I think he is cack personally. He was on a blaxploitation documentary slagging off the use of the Shaft theme and he was slagging off Hitchcock's final few films on some thing I watched with directors sitting around discussing directing. The worst Hitchcock film - Jamaica Inn for instance - is superior than Tarantino's greatest film.

[classicrawker]

saw it tonight and have to say I was not impressed....not one of Tarantino's better efforts IMHO......

[Black Sabbath]

The score, along with Kurt Russell's moustache, was awesome.

[Black Sabbath]

Hateful was like a mystery movie. It kind of reminded me of Res Dogs when they are trying to work out who the cop is. i could almost see it as a stage play. Imagine that.

I knew someone else mentioned it, and I thought the same thing. Story-wise it reminded me a lot of Reservoir Dogs. I probably liked it more than Reservoir Dogs, though.

I was actually underwhelmed by the score. It doesn't help I went in hyped for that.

I really want to see this again. One of you fucks fly to the murder mitten and come see it with me.

I really liked the intro track.

Also, I do wish I would have been able to see the 70mm version of this, but still glad I got to see it in the theater. My dad enjoyed it too and we've seen the last two QT movies in the theater together.

I think I enjoyed the first half of the movie (Chapters 1-3) more than the last two though.

Regardless, looking forward to watching this again and knowing the story - May watch the screener this week.

[wasted]

Do you think QT will do a Period Drama next. Like Sense and Sensibility. Do a Jane Austin adaptation with extra violence.

[Strange Broue]

I saw it in 70mm yesterday, absolutely loved it. I'd probably rank it in my top 3 Tarantino films.

the 70mm version is really 20 min longer?

Something like that. It was close to 3 and a half hours with the Overture (About 3 mins) and the Intermission (12 mins). I have no clue what would be cut though for the theatrical release - there's was nothing that felt like filler or unnecessary to the story.

Overture an intermission?

dafuq?

Looks like i need to watch this on a theater or rewatch immediately after the blu-ray come out

QT seriously has a hard on for the N word.....This movie seriously does not get interesting until the last 40 minutes or so which normally wouldn't be a bad thing, except its almost 3hours long!! 2 hours of terrible dialogue and basically nothing happening.

It is taking a beating on some of the main movie boards.

He uses so frequently to piss people like you

What do you mean "people like you"?

Read a few reviews. Plenty of others ( who I know aren't like me) are pointing this out.

People like you: "everyone is a rascist if he use the N word except if he is black" You are/were a prime example for over exaggerated PC police here for YEARS.

Samuel L. Jackson's character's on Tarantino films DEMAND using that word. It's his natural style. Plus Tarantino is a big blaxploitation fan. The N word is neccesary and i think no one in their right mind should complain about it, because he is literally the last person in Holywood who you could point your finger about rascism...

Plenty of people are fucking hipster idiots*, though so that's mean jackshit

*disclaimer: this part was not about you!

On topic: the word "dingus" is probably the funniest word in english, imho

Edited January 3, 2016 by Strange Broue

[wasted]

I read something about it being a commentary on race relations in the US. I missed how Sam L and Goggins ended up on the same team.

[Strange Broue]

I just do not think I like his films. I think he is cack personally. He was on a blaxploitation documentary slagging off the use of the Shaft theme and he was slagging off Hitchcock's final few films on some thing I watched with directors sitting around discussing directing. The worst Hitchcock film - Jamaica Inn for instance - is superior than Tarantino's greatest film.

You should probably watch less films with directors and try and make up your own judgement without any snobs sitting and discussing around you

Hitchcock is history, Tarantino is the present

Comparing them is like if you compare a dingus with a vagina

Edited January 3, 2016 by Strange Broue

[SunnyDRE]

I saw it in 70mm yesterday, absolutely loved it. I'd probably rank it in my top 3 Tarantino films.

the 70mm version is really 20 min longer?

Something like that. It was close to 3 and a half hours with the Overture (About 3 mins) and the Intermission (12 mins). I have no clue what would be cut though for the theatrical release - there's was nothing that felt like filler or unnecessary to the story.

Overture an intermission?

dafuq?

Looks like i need to watch this on a theater or rewatch immediately after the blu-ray come out

QT seriously has a hard on for the N word.....This movie seriously does not get interesting until the last 40 minutes or so which normally wouldn't be a bad thing, except its almost 3hours long!! 2 hours of terrible dialogue and basically nothing happening.

It is taking a beating on some of the main movie boards.

He uses so frequently to piss people like you

What do you mean "people like you"?

Read a few reviews. Plenty of others ( who I know aren't like me) are pointing this out.

People like you: "everyone is a rascist if he use the N word except if he is black" You are/were a prime example for over exaggerated PC police here for YEARS.

Samuel L. Jackson's character's on Tarantino films DEMAND using that word. It's his natural style. Plus Tarantino is a big blaxploitation fan. The N word is neccesary and i think no one in their right mind should complain about it, because he is literally the last person in Holywood who you could point your finger about rascism...

Plenty of people are fucking hipster idiots*, though so that's mean jackshit

*disclaimer: this part was not about you!

On topic: the word "dingus" is probably the funniest word in english, imho

No not really. Not my fault, that at times this board has had a few posters who like to take things a bit far when it comes to race. Pointing it out doesn't make me the "police", nor is that in anyway negative.

By the way, you just joined in 12. I haven't really posted on this forum much in few years. What was your other handle?

[Axl_morris]

I love it when in any film sam jackson says "Bitch".