What lineup do you want to see reunite the most?

[Rustycage]

So glad that despite DieselDaisy's inane ramblings, no one in Axl or Slash's camp would ever ever consider this pub playing mongoloid for a multimillion dollar reunion production.

It's funny. In VR, when Izzy bailed, did they call Gilby?

Someone needs to show Slash the damn pictures and magazines! You can't have VR without all GNR members excluding Axl.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Rustycage

[Rustycage]

Point being, no one gives a shit one way or the other if Gilby is passed over. No one cares to ask.

[DieselDaisy]

So glad that despite DieselDaisy's inane ramblings, no one in Axl or Slash's camp would ever ever consider this pub playing mongoloid for a multimillion dollar reunion production.

Slash's decision,

mongoloid

What the hell!

[Rustycage]

"Me and Matt were not credited as band members."

Were you ever considered or auditioned for Velvet Revolver?

"No, because I'm a lead guitar player and so is Slash so it wouldn't have worked."

Slash's decision,

You keep going back to the HoF. Which of them were inducted, again? Matt's there. Dizzy is there. Maybe someone should show the RnR HOF TSI and the pictures!

[DieselDaisy]

The logic behind an argument with Rusty and Barcardi.

We have provided evidence that Gilby was not included with the certifiable 'touring members', Tracey and Roberta etc, in music promos, album artwork and magazine photos and interviews. Outcome: ''he was a touring member and similar to Tracey and Roberta''

We have highlighted the fact that songwriting does not presuppose band status. Outcome: ''he never wrote anything''.

We have shown the fact that he played on a studio - emphasis on studio - album: ''he was only a touring member''.

We have ascertained that he played c.138 shows: ''he was insignificant''.

We know that Slash and Matt collaborated with Gilby on the next Guns N' Roses record, the follow-up to Illusion. Outcome: either ignore as an inconvenient truth or repeat ''he was just a touring member and never a permanent replacement''.

Never argue with fools.

[Rustycage]

Who is "we?"

You know what else is funny. When Blabbermouth posted an article regarding the interview above, there hasn't been one single comment on it. Can you figure out why? Hint: Cause no one really cares.

[DieselDaisy]

"Me and Matt were not credited as band members."

Were you ever considered or auditioned for Velvet Revolver?

"No, because I'm a lead guitar player and so is Slash so it wouldn't have worked."

Slash's decision,

You keep going back to the HoF. Which of them were inducted, again? Matt's there. Dizzy is there. Maybe someone should show the RnR HOF TSI and the pictures!

I was replying to Barcardi. He said ''no one in...Slash's camp would ever ever consider this pub playing mongoloid for a multimillion dollar reunion production'' yet, someone in Slash's camp did clearly consider Gilby for a performance at the televised prestigious event, the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame. That person was Slash himself in fact!

[Rustycage]

"Me and Matt were not credited as band members."

Were you ever considered or auditioned for Velvet Revolver?

"No, because I'm a lead guitar player and so is Slash so it wouldn't have worked."

Slash's decision,

You keep going back to the HoF. Which of them were inducted, again? Matt's there. Dizzy is there. Maybe someone should show the RnR HOF TSI and the pictures!

I was replying to Barcardi. He said ''no one in...Slash's camp would ever ever consider this pub playing mongoloid for a multimillion dollar reunion production'' yet, someone in Slash's camp did clearly consider Gilby for a performance at the televised prestigious event, the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame. That person was Slash himself in fact!

The HOF gig wasn't a multi-million dollar production. It was another live gig. Just like the other live gigs that the touring member played with them before. It wasn't a reunion the moment Izzy and Axl were out. Gilby didn't fill the reunion void of Izzy. Not only was he not inducted, no one cared that he took the stage except for the Gilby fanboys. If it isn't Izzy, it doesn't matter.

[DieselDaisy]

"Me and Matt were not credited as band members."

Were you ever considered or auditioned for Velvet Revolver?

"No, because I'm a lead guitar player and so is Slash so it wouldn't have worked."

Slash's decision,

You keep going back to the HoF. Which of them were inducted, again? Matt's there. Dizzy is there. Maybe someone should show the RnR HOF TSI and the pictures!

I was replying to Barcardi. He said ''no one in...Slash's camp would ever ever consider this pub playing mongoloid for a multimillion dollar reunion production'' yet, someone in Slash's camp did clearly consider Gilby for a performance at the televised prestigious event, the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame. That person was Slash himself in fact!

The HOF gig wasn't a multi-million dollar production. It was another live gig. Just like the other live gigs that the touring member played with them before. It wasn't a reunion the moment Izzy and Axl were out. Gilby didn't fill the reunion void of Izzy. Not only was he not inducted, no one cared that he took the stage except for the Gilby fanboys. If it isn't Izzy, it doesn't matter.

Totally disagree. Assuming you are correct, that ''it wasn't a reunion'', that ''no one cared'', why go to the trouble of specifically recruiting that very same guy who was a band member - sorry, 'touring member', 1992-1994? Presumably in terms of convenience and logistics it would have been easier for Myles to play rhythm or to have recruited a local guitarist?

[Georgy Zhukov]

Adler- that time he was sober

So, never?

[Rustycage]

Clearly it's because Slash saw the TSI picture.

Don't ignore the earlier point. Gilby wasn't in VR in place of Izzy and guess what....no one cared then either. Gilby was always and will always be "that guy that filled in for Izzy." Unless you like that Supernova crap.

I know you like to think there's a large group of people caring about this discussion but there isn't. It's only a few of us and no one is bothering to argue the validity of Gilby Clarke in a reunion. Imagine what the opinions of the general public would be.

[Georgy Zhukov]

We need Buckethead to show up somewhere in the show.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Georgy Zhukov

[DieselDaisy]

Clearly it's because Slash saw the TSI picture.

Don't ignore the earlier point. Gilby wasn't in VR in place of Izzy and guess what....no one cared then either.

Velvet Revolver was not Guns N' Roses and I believe the argument at the time in regards to Kushner's inclusion was that they wanted a completely different player (to Slash) to create different textures.

Gilby was always and will always be "that guy that filled in for Izzy."

Technically you are correct because of the post facto outcome of the band and his career. What I refute is your notion that he was not considered somehow a 'member of Guns N' Roses' during 1992-93 and that he was in fact akin to Tracey and Roberta when all the evidence points otherwise. I also believe that Slash did intend Gilby to be a permanent replacement.

In regards to your last point, the general public barely cares about Guns N' Roses! But considering this is a forum dedicated to Guns N' Roses, populated by GN'R nerds, I would not say we are the 'general public' and are certainly allowed to have this uncommon conversation. I certainly however do not think concert goers to a hypothetical reunion would not be as misinformed as you believe.

[wasted]

Depends when you saw the band on Illusion tour. But didn't Gilby play on Spag Inc? And was seen as a legit replacement touring wise for Izzy who quit without too much finger pointing. He blamed everyone and himself. The band members talked around it. Gilby is Slash's choice, I'm not sure he even wanted him gone, he played on Snakepit GNR record. Axl just couldn't write with him or couldn't help Axl like Tobias could.

Not sure anyone will care and there is some compromise thing to consider. It really would be how hardcore Axl or Slash want to be. Axl has said you can get Matt and Gilby but it's really Duff and Slash for most people.

I'm not sure how that is, but fuck us for that. I really hope Slash or Duff insist on Izzy being included. But maybe he isn't interested or seriously can't tour.

[bacardimayne]

Remember that time when Gilby played on an original, noncover GNR song that got officially released?

Edited October 14, 2015 by bacardimayne

[Rustycage]

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

[Nosaj Thing]

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

To be fair, Kushner was already there and Izzy was in VR for his songwriting skills, not to solely play rhythm. Not an accurate comparison if we're discussing a GN'R reunion where Izzy is absolutely the first choice.

[Frozen Inferno]

Axl rose

Popcorn adler

Duff mckagan

Slash

Izzy

These five guys deserve each other for atleast 4 shows.

[TeeJay410]

Give me Izzy and Sorum, include dizzy because of nothing the man put the time in, and no backup singers because it was a stupid idea in 1992 and it's a stupid idea now.

[Nosaj Thing]

Teddy Zig Zag is a must!

[DieselDaisy]

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

There are obvious reasons why Kushner played in VR over Gilby, the most obvious being that VR were not and were never intended to be 'Guns N' Roses'. Gilby was brought into GN'R in 1992 because he had a similar Stonesy vibe to Izzy and could learn 30 songs in one week. With VR, with Weiland and the changes to music that had developed post-Guns, there was never a motive to draft in an Izzyesque Stonesy player. VR wanted to differentiate themselves from Guns.

[Rustycage]

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

To be fair, Kushner was already there and Izzy was in VR for his songwriting skills, not to solely play rhythm. Not an accurate comparison if we're discussing a GN'R reunion where Izzy is absolutely the first choice.

The point is that DD claims Gilby was more than just a hired gun for GNR and that he was Slash's choice for multi-million dollar productions YET Gilby was not involved in VR after Izzy left or even before Kushner was auditioned. Izzy wasn't going to be a singing scarecrow without a guitar.That project was all GNR minus Axl until Izzy left. If Gilby was so important, why did Slash overlook him for the audition and replacing Izzy's void.

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

There are obvious reasons why Kushner played in VR over Gilby, the most obvious being that VR were not and were never intended to be 'Guns N' Roses'. Gilby was brought into GN'R in 1992 because he had a similar Stonesy vibe to Izzy and could learn 30 songs in one week. With VR, with Weiland and the changes to music that had developed post-Guns, there was never a motive to draft in an Izzyesque Stonesy player. VR wanted to differentiate themselves from Guns.

The show at the RnR HOF was not intended to be GNR without Izzy and Axl either yet you throw it out there. Can't have it both ways. If Slash considered him to be so important, why no Gilby?

[DieselDaisy]

If Slash considered him to be so important, why no Gilby?

I've already given you a reason - twice in fact.

[Rustycage]

If Slash considered him to be so important, why no Gilby?

I've already given you a reason - twice in fact.

The actual reason is because Gilby was nothing more than the guy that replaced Izzy in GNR. He wasn't even auditioned for VR before Kushner played with them. He wasn't a serious choice for GNR, VR or Slash's new project and all you have is a HOF performance(where he was once again "the guy that replaced Izzy), pinball machines and TSI. At some point, you gotta wonder who the real fools are in this discussion.

And one more thing since VR is a subject:

Ask yourself why VR were considered a GNR reunion minus Axl. Because the public can accept no Izzy and Gilby. And before you say they weren't, I suggest you remember the time of their albums and touring. Every discussion about VR revolved around GNR also.

Put Axl, Slash, Duff, Matt/Steven on the stage and the 5th will not hurt it. Izzy is definitely first choice and a bonus but It wouldn't hinge on Gilby after that except for you.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Rustycage

[DieselDaisy]

If Slash considered him to be so important, why no Gilby?

I've already given you a reason - twice in fact.

The actual reason is because Gilby was nothing more than the guy that replaced Izzy in GNR. He wasn't even auditioned for VR before Kushner played with them. He wasn't a serious choice for GNR, VR or Slash's new project and all you have is a HOF performance(where he was once again "the guy that replaced Izzy), pinball machines and TSI. At some point, you gotta wonder who the real fools are in this discussion.

And one more thing since VR is a subject:

Ask yourself why VR were considered a GNR reunion minus Axl. Because the public can accept no Izzy and Gilby. And before you say they weren't, I suggest you remember the time of their albums and touring. Every discussion about VR revolved around GNR also.

Put Axl, Slash, Duff, Matt/Steven on the stage and the 5th will not hurt it. Izzy is definitely first choice and a bonus but It wouldn't hinge on Gilby after that except for you.

Performing 206 shows together, recording two studio albums and co-writing two songs (''Good to be Alive'' and ''Dime Store Rock'') are rather weird examples of a man (Slash) with a lack of commitment to another musician (Gilby). Slash's musical partnership with Gilby outlived Gilby's dismissal from Guns, existing across two separate bands 1992-1996. It existed approximately as long as Slash's partnership with Stradlin did! And that is not mentioning the numerous Guns N' Roses guest spots on Gilby's debut album, Slash (#2), Axl (#1), Duff (#1), Matt (#3), Dizzy (#3). Still, why let facts get in the way of an argument?