Will the world forgive Axl if he doesn't do the reunion?

[wasted]

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

[Hell House]

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Yeah, I'd do a Victoria's Secret commercial no problem. And, as I'm at this very moment drinking a Budweiser, I say fuck it, Axl can do what he wants.

I'm also stoked for a new Slash record!

Edited December 8, 2015 by Hell House

[wasted]

The world went to hell way before I sold out.

[Apollo]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

[DieselDaisy]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

That is the point. If other people sell out you just cringe a bit but usually give them a reprieve because they did this and this, released this and this. You may forgive Michael Jackson for selling Pepsi because he put out Bad, Dangerous, History et al. Pele looks like a wanker selling condoms but he has three world cup winners medals and did things magical with a football, so you give him a reprieve.

With Axl you are dealing with somebody who does not put out albums. All you are left with then is a man with a silly moustache selling Budweiser.

[Billsfan]

Axl is a much bigger sell out than Slash. Slash has always stuck to his rock n' roll roots while Axl tried to add hip hop beats and sound modern to 2000s kids.

Awful post from kanudo.

How does wanting to evolve and experiment make somebody a sell out?

It's not about that. It's about Axl fans constantly slinging mud at Slash saying he's a sellout.

Then Axl turns around, does similar things and it's instantly justified.

Personally I don't think either are sell outs. I just think they like making good money and promoting themselves. Slash was just more vocal and open over the years as axl was more quiet and silent. To each their own, everyone's different and I respect both.

The whole axl vs slash debate is a little old now though, isn't it? Or should it be? Just a thought..

[SoulMonster]

I think there are OBVIOUS differences between how Slash and Axl promote themselves, does their branding, and yes, agrees to various artistic and commercial projects where they receive monetary compensation. Whether any of them are deserving of being called "sell outs" because of this is something else. Personally, I don't like the term and I don't use it, all artists are selling their art for money, but I will object to various projects/ads/etc based on whether I think they alone are good or not on a case by base basis (e.g. the last vegas residency was cheesy and some musical collaborations of Slash's have been facepalm worthy) -- but not because the artists get money from their involvement.

[Mr. Dude]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

That is the point. If other people sell out you just cringe a bit but usually give them a reprieve because they did this and this, released this and this. You may forgive Michael Jackson for selling Pepsi because he put out Bad, Dangerous, History et al. Pele looks like a wanker selling condoms but he has three world cup winners medals and did things magical with a football, so you give him a reprieve.

With Axl you are dealing with somebody who does not put out albums. All you are left with then is a man with a silly moustache selling Budweiser.

I think GNR have put out more good songs than the Stones have over the past 20 years. I'd say its around 15-3.

[Apollo]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

That is the point. If other people sell out you just cringe a bit but usually give them a reprieve because they did this and this, released this and this. You may forgive Michael Jackson for selling Pepsi because he put out Bad, Dangerous, History et al. Pele looks like a wanker selling condoms but he has three world cup winners medals and did things magical with a football, so you give him a reprieve.

With Axl you are dealing with somebody who does not put out albums. All you are left with then is a man with a silly moustache selling Budweiser.

Sad. But true.

[Apollo]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

That is the point. If other people sell out you just cringe a bit but usually give them a reprieve because they did this and this, released this and this. You may forgive Michael Jackson for selling Pepsi because he put out Bad, Dangerous, History et al. Pele looks like a wanker selling condoms but he has three world cup winners medals and did things magical with a football, so you give him a reprieve.

With Axl you are dealing with somebody who does not put out albums. All you are left with then is a man with a silly moustache selling Budweiser.

I think GNR have put out more good songs than the Stones have over the past 20 years. I'd say its around 15-3.

Most people on a GnR forum would agree with that.

Most people on a Stones forum would disagree.

While I 100% agree with your statement. Except maybe 10-3..... Not sure what it has to do with the posts you are replying too.

I like Mr Pibb more than I like Coke. But my only personal preference doesn't change the fact that Coke is extremely more popular and sells way more product than Pibb does.

[niceguy]

The world doesn't give a shit about Axl Rose today.

It's only us psychos here on the boards.

[Manfisman]

The world doesn't give a shit about Axl Rose today.

It's only us psychos here on the boards.

Yeah, that's why every time he gives an interview or even some of his tweets are reposted everywhere.

[Billsfan]

The world doesn't give a shit about Axl Rose today.

It's only us psychos here on the boards.

Yeah, that's why every time he gives an interview or even some of his tweets are reposted everywhere.

or every time he face plants or is even spotted in public he makes tmz. The world cares about axl they just didnt care for any version of gnr without slash

[RandallFlagg]

I'll forgive him but I'm not really interested in another safe predictable reunion for a band that was anything but predictable, lightning in a bottle and to be honest I feel heinously cheated I never got to hear CD part 2 when it ought've been released and I invested so much time and patience into the first record and the lore and mystique expecting within five years he'd surely sort out the other tracks he'd spent yonks working on. I'm not really interested in the reunion compared to cd2 but I guess it's better progress than the ninth CD tour opening with CD once more lol.

[Little EMO Annie]

The world doesn't give a shit about Axl Rose today.

It's only us psychos here on the boards.

Not true.

[darknightfan]

Honestly, I don't know. The world is a unfair and cruel place. If Axl denies this wonderful opportunity to be reunited with a band he was in many years ago I am not sure if the world could accept that. Even pondering the idea is dreadful. The world could turn on him and we may never hear from Axl again. Imagine a place talking about a band that does not do anything and has no members for the rest of the world's days.

Edited December 10, 2015 by darknightfan

[wasted]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

That is the point. If other people sell out you just cringe a bit but usually give them a reprieve because they did this and this, released this and this. You may forgive Michael Jackson for selling Pepsi because he put out Bad, Dangerous, History et al. Pele looks like a wanker selling condoms but he has three world cup winners medals and did things magical with a football, so you give him a reprieve.

With Axl you are dealing with somebody who does not put out albums. All you are left with then is a man with a silly moustache selling Budweiser.

Axl doing the Bud ad is a bit like Fred Durst saying I killed them all at the end of The Jinx.

He's having more fun now, doing the Vegas Residencies. The Welcome to the Jingle t shirt confirmed it. He's ready to go full sell out and do a reunion tour.

[DieselDaisy]

The chubby funster?

[wasted]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

Metal fans can be very anti-pop. In someways that's a criticism of CD. It's GNR but it's a bit poppy. But there's always been a pop element to GNR.

Slash is a bit of a contradiction or just human.

Axl doing the Bud ad is a bit like Fred Durst saying I killed them all at the end of The Jinx.

[DieselDaisy]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

Metal fans can be very anti-pop. In someways that's a criticism of CD. It's GNR but it's a bit poppy. But there's always been a pop element to GNR.

Slash is a bit of a contradiction or just human.

Axl doing the Bud ad is a bit like Fred Durst saying I killed them all at the end of The Jinx.

Meds? Now?

[wasted]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

Dylan did a Victoria's Secret commercial and Elvis did a donut commercial.

Elvis and Dylan also put out tons of music.

Endorsing products you love is not selling out. It's pimping.

Unless it's Slash doing it - then (according to many on this board pre-reunion rumors) it is selling out and being money hungry.

Metal fans can be very anti-pop. In someways that's a criticism of CD. It's GNR but it's a bit poppy. But there's always been a pop element to GNR.

Slash is a bit of a contradiction or just human.

Axl doing the Bud ad is a bit like Fred Durst saying I killed them all at the end of The Jinx.

Meds? Now?

It's never too late.

[dalsh327]

As far as Neil goes, the CSNY 1974 stadium tour is exactly why reunion tours can go wrong and they got little money out of it...which is what Axl's brought up in all the people wanting a piece of the reunion. About a decade ago, it was more about old rich hippies having the fire in their bellies to do a tour with no album to promote except "Living With War".

If GNR have the fire in their bellies to reunite and doing it for the generations of fans who never saw them in their prime, and just to make it all about the songs, they'll have a great tour.

Responses to "doing it for the money"

[Sixes]

How can the world forgive him if they're out to get him and conspire against him at the same time?

[Billsfan]

How can the world forgive him if they're out to get him and conspire against him at the same time?

what if aunt Mary had balls? Edited December 10, 2015 by Billsfan

[Little EMO Annie]

I still don't get all the hate for the Budweiser ad. I really liked the rap version of Paradise City. But I have been a fan of Budweiser commercials since I was a kid. We used to go to the Busch Gardens theme parks and see the Clydesdale horses.

Edited December 22, 2015 by Little EMO Annie