Will the world forgive Axl if he doesn't do the reunion?

[DieselDaisy]

But surely someone also thought the Beatles and MJ didn't sell out, so Axl didn't sell out either.

I feel like Axl, MJ, the Beatles all have integrity when it comes to making music.

The Beatles and Michael Jackson, their respective fora, were in dire need of a Wasted to exonerate them.

[wasted]

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Edited November 1, 2015 by wasted

[Rustycage]

A couple of pages late but do people really LIKE Budweiser? It's more cliche than taste. I doubt Axl's choice of beer would be a bud.

[Rovim]

A couple of pages late but do people really LIKE Budweiser? It's more cliche than taste. I doubt Axl's choice of beer would be a bud.

I wonder if he listens to Chinese Democracy sometimes.

[Rustycage]

A couple of pages late but do people really LIKE Budweiser? It's more cliche than taste. I doubt Axl's choice of beer would be a bud.

I wonder if he listens to Chinese Democracy sometimes.

I think it's wasted every time until I glance over at the avatar.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Rustycage

[DieselDaisy]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

[ChineseIRS]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

But u would catch Dylan doing a car and IBM commercial

[Rovim]

A couple of pages late but do people really LIKE Budweiser? It's more cliche than taste. I doubt Axl's choice of beer would be a bud.

I wonder if he listens to Chinese Democracy sometimes.

I think it's wasted every time until I glance over at the avatar.

I like his feel.

[SoulMonster]

Just accept it: All recording artists have already chosen to connect their art with monetary compensation. They charge money for records and tickets. Whether they decide to go one step further by allowing the music to be used in commercials is irrelevant. The decision was made as soon as they decided to not give away their art for free, anything after that is just nuances of the same. Deciding that one artist is a "sell out" because he let his music be used to sell diapers, is just silly when that same artist via his promoter/manager allow advertisement on his tickets to his live shows.

Some of you guys just don't like when an artist you appreciate decides to plug a product you don't like. THEN that artist automagicaly becomes a "sell out". If, on the other hand, the music was used for something you happen to like, then he wouldn't be a "sell out".

The way I see it, they are either all sell out, or none of them are.

[Rustycage]

A couple of pages late but do people really LIKE Budweiser? It's more cliche than taste. I doubt Axl's choice of beer would be a bud.

I wonder if he listens to Chinese Democracy sometimes.

I think it's wasted every time until I glance over at the avatar.

I like his feel.

That should remain between the two of you.

[DieselDaisy]

Absolute garbage. You can sell your music and tickets commercially without entering a general zone of corporate tackiness which comes with flogging dreadful beer. That advert, the overall direction, is thoroughly embarrassing, as Axl mannequin-like, raises his bottle. I am not entirely sure if there is a way to do a Budweiser commercial without it looking like a shamefaced cash grab, but one can hardly imagine Axl in a more embarrassing position. It may even beat Slash's Superbowl performance in overall grubbiness.

[Rustycage]

[SoulMonster]

Absolute garbage. You can sell your music and tickets commercially without entering a general zone of corporate tackiness which comes with flogging dreadful beer.

"Tackiness" and "dreadful" are subjective terms and I already comment on the tendency to call out "sell out" only when it is something one disagrees of, in my previous post.

You are also missing my point: I am happy to call Axl a sell-out for using his music to earn money by allowing it to be used in advertisements, but again, like you so insistently argue, then all artists who does the same are also sell-outs because we cannot have one rule for Axl and other rules for evryone else. Further, I find the stance that even selling your music in the first place is just a variation over the same time, and hence that more or less all artists are sell-outs, more pure. Of course, this waters the expression 'sell-out' down to where it has lost all meaning. But sur,e I can agree to call all artists for sell-outs. What I want do, is to use my subjective feelings of what products I find "dreadful" og "tacky" influence which artists I call "sell-outs".

[Rustycage]

Using your own work for your profit isn't selling out.

[SoulMonster]

Using your own work for your profit isn't selling out.

I think that is a fine position to take. And renting out your music to commercials is one way of "using your own work for your profit".

[Rustycage]

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

[DieselDaisy]

I do not think there is anything Axl could literally do for some of you people to criticise him. He could be called up on Yew Tree charges or join ISIS and you lot would still justify it as a symbol of 'integrity' and 'artistic vision'. I mean come on,

The stock is at an all time low there! Just remember what GN'R and Axl were in the 1980s, then compare this in your head?

And this is a guy who criticised Slash's collaborations and the Hall of Fame!

[Little EMO Annie]

I do not think there is anything Axl could literally do for some of you people to criticise him. He could be called up on Yew Tree charges or join ISIS and you lot would still justify it as a symbol of 'integrity' and 'artistic vision'. I mean come on,

https://youtu.be/reht9tVgysM

The stock is at an all time low there! Just remember what GN'R and Axl were in the 1980s, then compare this in your head?

And this is a guy who criticised Slash's collaborations and the Hall of Fame!

Sorry. I thought this was brilliant. And I HATE Budweiser beer. But I have always adored their Clydesdale commercials. I would love to see more rap versions of any GNR song.

[SoulMonster]

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

Others disagreeable use of the term "sell-out" really shouldn't affect your use.

[DieselDaisy]

I do not think there is anything Axl could literally do for some of you people to criticise him. He could be called up on Yew Tree charges or join ISIS and you lot would still justify it as a symbol of 'integrity' and 'artistic vision'. I mean come on,

https://youtu.be/reht9tVgysM

The stock is at an all time low there! Just remember what GN'R and Axl were in the 1980s, then compare this in your head?

And this is a guy who criticised Slash's collaborations and the Hall of Fame!

Sorry. I thought this was brilliant. And I HATE Budweiser beer. But I have always adored their Clydesdale commercials. I would love to see more rap versions of any GNR song.

[SoulMonster]

I do not think there is anything Axl could literally do for some of you people to criticise him. He could be called up on Yew Tree charges or join ISIS and you lot would still justify it as a symbol of 'integrity' and 'artistic vision'. I mean come on,

Now you are being silly. I criticise Axl for plenty of stuff, including most of those things that some people here criticise TB for (low productivity, hopeless communication with band mates and fans, bad choices in band mates, etc). I just don't care whether he uses his music to plug products, and that sentiment I extend to all artists. I simply don't care and will never call anyone a "sell-out" (honestly, mostly adolescent who are too passionately devoted to music tend to use that expression anyway).

[DieselDaisy]

I do not think there is anything Axl could literally do for some of you people to criticise him. He could be called up on Yew Tree charges or join ISIS and you lot would still justify it as a symbol of 'integrity' and 'artistic vision'. I mean come on,

Now you are being silly. I criticise Axl for plenty of stuff, including most of those things that some people here criticise TB for (low productivity, hopeless communication with band mates and fans, bad choices in band mates, etc). I just don't care whether he uses his music to plug products, and that sentiment I extend to all artists. I simply don't care and will never call anyone a "sell-out" (honestly, mostly adolescent who are too passionately devoted to music tend to use that expression anyway).

Well, this should be your man,

[Rustycage]

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

Others disagreeable use of the term "sell-out" really shouldn't affect your use.

But it's nopt a disagreement over the term. People praise Axl for the same things they condemn others for. It's just hypocritical bullshit.

[DieselDaisy]

It is the hypocrisy of the highest order. If you are going to say stuff like this,

I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''

Your record has to be whiter-than-white.

[Little EMO Annie]

I do not think there is anything Axl could literally do for some of you people to criticise him. He could be called up on Yew Tree charges or join ISIS and you lot would still justify it as a symbol of 'integrity' and 'artistic vision'. I mean come on,

https://youtu.be/reht9tVgysM

The stock is at an all time low there! Just remember what GN'R and Axl were in the 1980s, then compare this in your head?

And this is a guy who criticised Slash's collaborations and the Hall of Fame!

Sorry. I thought this was brilliant. And I HATE Budweiser beer. But I have always adored their Clydesdale commercials. I would love to see more rap versions of any GNR song.

Serious as a heart attack