Will the world forgive Axl if he doesn't do the reunion?

[SoulMonster]

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

Others disagreeable use of the term "sell-out" really shouldn't affect your use.

But it's nopt a disagreement over the term. People praise Axl for the same things they condemn others for. It's just hypocritical bullshit.

I'll take your word for it.

It is the hypocrisy of the highest order. If you are going to say stuff like this,

I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''

It is only hypocritical if they allow someone else to play with "everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson" without extending the same judgment on them.

[DieselDaisy]

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

Others disagreeable use of the term "sell-out" really shouldn't affect your use.

But it's nopt a disagreement over the term. People praise Axl for the same things they condemn others for. It's just hypocritical bullshit.

I'll take your word for it.

It is the hypocrisy of the highest order. If you are going to say stuff like this,

I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''

It is only hypocritical if they allow someone else to play with "everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson" without extending the same judgment on them.

We have an Axl who complains about Slash whoring himself out to pop acts, who in turn, whores himself out to Budweiser. If you cannot see the hypocrisy in that scenario, you must be blind.

[SoulMonster]

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

Others disagreeable use of the term "sell-out" really shouldn't affect your use.

But it's nopt a disagreement over the term. People praise Axl for the same things they condemn others for. It's just hypocritical bullshit.

I'll take your word for it.

It is the hypocrisy of the highest order. If you are going to say stuff like this,

I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''

It is only hypocritical if they allow someone else to play with "everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson" without extending the same judgment on them.

We have an Axl who complains about Slash whoring himself out to pop acts, who in turn, whores himself out to Budweiser. If you cannot see the hypocrisy in that scenario, you must be blind.

Maybe Axl dislikes Space Ghost and Michael Jackson but likes Budweiser? Maybe it wasn't the concept of "whoring oneself out" that was the problem, but with whom Slash did it? If so it isn't hypocritical. I don't know, you'd have to ask Axl about it.

[Rustycage]

#axllikesbudwesier #respecttheintegrity #wearingfreeashbaswag #jimmykimmelshowburgers #lasvegascashgrab

[Little EMO Annie]

#axlisawesome #axlisthebeethovenofrockmusic #letthehaterseatcake

Edited November 1, 2015 by Little EMO Annie

[Eric Cantona]

Will Axl forgive the world if the reunion doesn't do him?

[skybluzcu]

im reading alot of comments about mood swings. i would like to say that there are plenty people out here in this old world that are moody as hell yet find a way to function daily. when your a chronic mood swinger you do learn to incorporate skills that do allow you to function as normally as possible in daily life. just for example he use to show up hours late for shows yet he has not done it in years. i do not think that he cares little or nothing for his fans. i think in order to get new material he has to live thru experiences in life that will aid in the production of songs. Not to mention at 53 there is no rule that states that no matter how much you care for your fans you should have to tour yearly. Golden years of our life should be spent doing what we want when we want it.

Just food for thought

[alfierose]

Removed some posts. Please do not make personal accusations against other members.

[Apollo]

Doing a commercial is the very definition of selling out.

Unless it's Axl.

The way a couple posters on here justify every thing that Axl does is quite remarkable.

Where is the integrity in holding Axl to a different standard than they hold other artists to?

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

Others disagreeable use of the term "sell-out" really shouldn't affect your use.

But it's nopt a disagreement over the term. People praise Axl for the same things they condemn others for. It's just hypocritical bullshit.

Exactly.

slash does a commerical - he is a sell out.

Axl does a commerical - it's fun and brilliant.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[tomfriend]

Who gives a fuck. They'll all be selling out if they do a reunion. You think that's not gonna have corporate sponsorship up the ass? They're all sell outs and they always have been. Stop being so precious.

*with the exception of Izzy, perhaps

[wasted]

I'm not criticising the Beatles for selling out. Theres no way they wrote or made that music for the wrong reasons. Artists sell their paintings.

I am not saying you did. My point is that The Beatles were criticised for 'selling out' with the Nike deal. Neil Young criticised Michael Jackson for selling out with Pepsi - both these events were in the 1980s. Axl does a similar thing in 2014 or whenever that embarrassing advert appeared yet we are told ''it is not selling out'' and that he somehow possesses ''integrity'' not seen in other acts.

You cannot simply repeat the mantra of 'integrity', hoping the Budweiser advert and Vegas residencies mysteriously vanish, and as if by force of repetition we begin to believe the 'integrity' line!

To clarify: Axl sold out; he did something embarrassing for easy cash and looked quite ridiculous in the process; other artists such as Slash have sold out in different ways also; Axl does not inherently possess an integrity that other acts do not have.

I don't understand how the Vegas residencies were selling out. And The Budweiser commercial was done in celebration of that big soccer event in Brazil which is equivalent to the Super Bowl in the U.S. Getting a super bowl commercial spot is a HUGE deal in North America.

Exactly, selling out. You would not catch Springsteen or Dylan doing a Budweiser commercial or a Casino.

If I can't do it, no one can.

The Beatles and MIchael Jackson are huge sell outs with no integrity.

In some ways I'm 100% on board.

Elvis played Vegas. Shit he invented Vegas.

So if these guys are sell outs, Axl must have way more integrity than I thought.

Yes but Elvis gets a reprieve because he is Elvis and The King.

But u would catch Dylan doing a car and IBM commercial

or play in China when it stands everything he used be against. But he never really said that himself. They are just songs. That's why I don't see it as selling out. It's more if you change the music so much. It's really what the artist is comfortable with.

Mostly it doesnt work if a band says ok grunge is big now lets do a grunge record to get a foot in the door.

The beatles and MJ are so big it's Pepsi and Nike are selling out to them.

[Mr. Dude]

That's the way I see it. Budweiser caved into Axl. They hitched their wagon to him and not the other way around.

[wasted]

I didn't think that Axl was saying Slash was selling out. Just he didn't understand why Slash with his particular musical personality was doing that. Slash to me was always the most anti-pop one. He did interviews drunk in cheap motels with Metallica playing. Slash was always complaining about all the pop shit on the radio. I listened to his interview on a flight where he goes through his influences from Thin Lizzy, Aerosmith, Zepp being as far as he'd go progressively, RATM as being the 90s band he liked and political views he still kind of believed in.

But that is in rock. He compartmentalizes things. It seems like he has a set idea of what GNR should be. But outside of that he's just a guitarist. And he went to high school with all these different people like Lenny Kravitz, he's less of an outsider than Axl or Izzy coming from Indianna. Slash had seen it all very young so he's cool with playing with anyone really. These are people he knew they said come play on my record, well okay then. What's going to do tell Iggy Pop to go fuck himself? EVH played with MJ? It's kind of cool. But I sort of see what Axl is saying, you could be like Page or some rock god why are you playing with Space Ghost. Not sure selling out is the right term. But as I've got to know Slash more from his books. He wasn't always just a junkie guitar hero. He rode a bmx and likes drawing dinosaurs. They had a very cool bad ass image though when I was 14. They were up there with The Doors as this sacred myth type band. Rock has just become more mainstream and everyone grew up and got jobs and cars but they still have a Bud and listen to It's so Easy reversing backwards down a slip road now and then.

[Nosaj Thing]

I do not think there is anything Axl could literally do for some of you people to criticise him. He could be called up on Yew Tree charges or join ISIS and you lot would still justify it as a symbol of 'integrity' and 'artistic vision'. I mean come on,

The stock is at an all time low there! Just remember what GN'R and Axl were in the 1980s, then compare this in your head?

And this is a guy who criticised Slash's collaborations and the Hall of Fame!

Definitely. Axl is a sell out who has ridiculed and prostituted the Guns N' Roses name for years and who would not hesitate to play in your wedding for the right price!

[wasted]

That's the way I see it. Budweiser caved into Axl. They hitched their wagon to him and not the other way around.

Free beer and models. God forbid you get paid for such work.

[Rovim]

I didn't think that Axl was saying Slash was selling out. Just he didn't understand why Slash with his particular musical personality was doing that. Slash to me was always the most anti-pop one. He did interviews drunk in cheap motels with Metallica playing. Slash was always complaining about all the pop shit on the radio. I listened to his interview on a flight where he goes through his influences from Thin Lizzy, Aerosmith, Zepp being as far as he'd go progressively, RATM as being the 90s band he liked and political views he still kind of believed in.

But that is in rock. He compartmentalizes things. It seems like he has a set idea of what GNR should be. But outside of that he's just a guitarist. And he went to high school with all these different people like Lenny Kravitz, he's less of an outsider than Axl or Izzy coming from Indianna. Slash had seen it all very young so he's cool with playing with anyone really. These are people he knew they said come play on my record, well okay then. What's going to do tell Iggy Pop to go fuck himself? EVH played with MJ? It's kind of cool. But I sort of see what Axl is saying, you could be like Page or some rock god why are you playing with Space Ghost. Not sure selling out is the right term. But as I've got to know Slash more from his books. He wasn't always just a junkie guitar hero. He rode a bmx and likes drawing dinosaurs. They had a very cool bad ass image though when I was 14. They were up there with The Doors as this sacred myth type band. Rock has just become more mainstream and everyone grew up and got jobs and cars but they still have a Bud and listen to It's so Easy reversing backwards down a slip road now and then.

Axl has hinted at Slash being a sellout. Slash has admitted he collaborated on a song with that short bald guy from American Idol cause Slash and him were in the same label. He has played with Chad Kroeger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPG2CX7E0oo

So yeah, I think there's a difference. Slash is the perfect guitar player for a hard rock band, and he is also a session guitar player really. Like Page was, only in reverse.

I don't think he attaches big meanings to it. He said so himself: the albums are made so he can play live, or at least is the main reason.

I don't think Axl will collaborate with another musician if he's not into it. Slash is more about what he can get out of it, which is also cool cause it worked for him. He is an icon.

It even helped Eddie when he collaborated with MJ. It's just what you do if you're in the position to do so. But if you're Axl, it's my guess the emotional attachment he talked about to the songs don't allow him to compromise his art for anything. Commercials did not damage what he was trying to do. It's not a question of whether his heart is true.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Rovim

[Free Bird]

Not when the artist and their fans accuse others of being media whores and sellouts.

"BRB, gotta do a late night show and a Budweiser commercial."

Others disagreeable use of the term "sell-out" really shouldn't affect your use.

But it's nopt a disagreement over the term. People praise Axl for the same things they condemn others for. It's just hypocritical bullshit.

I'll take your word for it.

It is the hypocrisy of the highest order. If you are going to say stuff like this,

I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''

It is only hypocritical if they allow someone else to play with "everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson" without extending the same judgment on them.

We have an Axl who complains about Slash whoring himself out to pop acts, who in turn, whores himself out to Budweiser. If you cannot see the hypocrisy in that scenario, you must be blind.

Maybe Axl dislikes Space Ghost and Michael Jackson but likes Budweiser? Maybe it wasn't the concept of "whoring oneself out" that was the problem, but with whom Slash did it? If so it isn't hypocritical. I don't know, you'd have to ask Axl about it.

Haha lol, maybe Slash dislikes Budweiser but likes MJ and Ghost Space.

[wasted]

I didn't think that Axl was saying Slash was selling out. Just he didn't understand why Slash with his particular musical personality was doing that. Slash to me was always the most anti-pop one. He did interviews drunk in cheap motels with Metallica playing. Slash was always complaining about all the pop shit on the radio. I listened to his interview on a flight where he goes through his influences from Thin Lizzy, Aerosmith, Zepp being as far as he'd go progressively, RATM as being the 90s band he liked and political views he still kind of believed in.

But that is in rock. He compartmentalizes things. It seems like he has a set idea of what GNR should be. But outside of that he's just a guitarist. And he went to high school with all these different people like Lenny Kravitz, he's less of an outsider than Axl or Izzy coming from Indianna. Slash had seen it all very young so he's cool with playing with anyone really. These are people he knew they said come play on my record, well okay then. What's going to do tell Iggy Pop to go fuck himself? EVH played with MJ? It's kind of cool. But I sort of see what Axl is saying, you could be like Page or some rock god why are you playing with Space Ghost. Not sure selling out is the right term. But as I've got to know Slash more from his books. He wasn't always just a junkie guitar hero. He rode a bmx and likes drawing dinosaurs. They had a very cool bad ass image though when I was 14. They were up there with The Doors as this sacred myth type band. Rock has just become more mainstream and everyone grew up and got jobs and cars but they still have a Bud and listen to It's so Easy reversing backwards down a slip road now and then.

Axl has hinted at Slash being a sellout. Slash had admitted he collaborated on a song with that short bald guy from American Idol cause Slash and him were in the same label. He has played with Chad Kroeger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPG2CX7E0oo

So yeah, I think there's a difference. Slash is the perfect guitar player for a hard rock band, and he is also a session guitar player really. Like Page was, only in reverse.

I don't think he attaches big meanings to it. He said so himself: the albums are made so he can play live, or at least is the main reason.

I don't think Axl will collaborate with another musician if he's not into it. Slash is more about what he can get out of it, which is also cool cause it worked for him. He is an icon.

It even helped Eddie when he collaborated with MJ. It's just what you do if you're in the position to do so. But if you're Axl, it's my guess the emotional attachment he talked about to the songs don't allow him to compromise his art for anything. Commercials did not damage what he was trying to do. It's not a question of whether his heart is true.

I guess Axl is presenting an image or backdrop for those epic songs they wrote together and Slash is playing with MJ. As a young fan I was confused. I saw that bands like Beatles, Zepp, Doors had one line up. When Adler went I was like shit its fucked. But after some research shitshows like VH and The Stones have thrived so I kind of had to reassess my theory.

But cut to 20 years later maybe Kenny will walk into the Taco Shack and Slash will be having a chili burger and they will buy each other a $5 shakes.

[Rovim]

I guess Axl is presenting an image or backdrop for those epic songs they wrote together and Slash is playing with MJ. As a young fan I was confused. I saw that bands like Beatles, Zepp, Doors had one line up. When Adler went I was like shit its fucked. But after some research shitshows like VH and The Stones have thrived so I kind of had to reassess my theory.

But cut to 20 years later maybe Kenny will walk into the Taco Shack and Slash will be having a chili burger and they will buy each other a $5 shakes.

Stuffin' chili burgers in my purple fatmobile

I make the blues jiggle fool, wobbly like Neil P's keys

And I'm so fat, it's always money over art, with 10 years in the making master piece of crap

Ain't nothing nu

I've seen reunions, most fade out,

Fuckin' Diamond Dave sings to what looks like a chick's mic.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Rovim

[wasted]

Guess what I'm eating now...

[maynard]

Mods, are the last posts what you really want for this forum?

[Rovim]

I think that if Axl releases CD ll and manages to compile from what's left in the vault, Slash's riffs, and Izzy's ideas a good reunion record and a tour, at least what's left of the fanbase will be more forgiving.

If it was anyone else but Axl, I'd say there's a lot of time to do good things with the brand. He said CD ll is done, Duff did full shows, Slash maybe buried one of the hatchets.

The ball is in Axl's court, but I don't think the first priority here is for the world to forgive him. I believe he doesn't think there is anything to forgive, and even if he did, the music still probably comes first. Than the money, than bitches, alcohol, his cat and zoo, his fake family, food, and than the fans.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Rovim

[wasted]

The fans need to see Slash and Axl on stage and know that everything was okay in the end. it might be just forumers that care, it's hard to say.

[Rovim]

The fans need to see Slash and Axl on stage and know that everything was okay in the end. it might be just forumers that care, it's hard to say.

I highly doubt Slash and Axl together on stage again won't bring more casuals to the shows. Much bigger crowds. So it can't be just forumers that care.

[wasted]

That's true, but do they care or is it just the media hype. They prob don't care if Izzy is there, so how much do they care. But it would be something fun anyway. Like at the FNM reunion someone said I cant believe thats Faith no More up there and I was thinking not it's not the lead guitarist isnt there. No one seemed to care anyway.

That's true, but do they care or is it just the media hype. They prob don't care if Izzy is there, so how much do they care. But it would be something fun anyway. Like at the FNM reunion someone said I cant believe thats Faith no More up there and I was thinking not it's not the lead guitarist isnt there. No one seemed to care anyway.