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1 hour ago, Gracii Guns said:

Went to a pro-refugee, anti- special relationship march in my city today. Was very upbeat and peaceful. 

Didn't you say such things were pointless only a week or so ago? :P

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1 hour ago, Dazey said:

Didn't you say such things were pointless only a week or so ago? :P

 

Don't worry, I can defend this.

Those particular protests were over Donald Trump being U.S. President. By that point he had done very little. My attitude was that he won the election because a nation which prides itself on its democracy has chosen him. I don't like the guy, but it wasn't my choice. 

Now he's very much exceeding expectations and actively harming many people as he does it. I won't abide with that, so I thought it was right that I make myself counted in a way I can. I also donate to local and international refugee charities- so it is very much more than just a walk around town. 

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33 minutes ago, Gracii Guns said:

Now he's very much exceeding expectations and actively harming many people as he does it. 

He's doing pretty much exactly what he said he would/what everyone who was agitating against him had feared he would do... :lol:. It's not like this came completely from the left field.

(Still love ye, don't get mad at me).

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''Anti special relationship'' haha.

The Americans use ''special relationship'' for every country that visits - especially the British and the French. The country goes away believing, ''gee (they're now speaking like a 1950s American for some odd reason) he (uncle Sam) really likes me''.

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Awful.

The typical (millionaire) lefty luvvies are out I see, Linekar, Lilly Allen, Bianca Jagger - the usual types.

This is Newcastle,

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Why the heck are Geordies protesting against politics - and American politics at that? They should be acting like god damn Geordies which entails getting plastered and watching football.

Simply awful.

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10 hours ago, Graeme said:

He's doing pretty much exactly what he said he would/what everyone who was agitating against him had feared he would do... :lol:. It's not like this came completely from the left field.

(Still love ye, don't get mad at me).

It was hard to tell what he meant and what might've been utter bollocks said to impress Lincoln-Taft McYankee on his maize farm in Georgia.

At least we now know the unknowns, and the known unknowns that we don't know etc.

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4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Awful.

The typical (millionaire) lefty luvvies are out I see, Linekar, Lilly Allen, Bianca Jagger - the usual types.

This is Newcastle,

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Why the heck are Geordies protesting against politics - and American politics at that? They should be acting like god damn Geordies which entails getting plastered and watching football.

Simply awful.

Lily Allens fuckin tiny yknow.  Saw her at Heaton Park when The Stone Roses played, it looked like a midget had suddenly skipped onto the stage, shes seriously miniscule.

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2 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Lily Allens fuckin tiny yknow.  Saw her at Heaton Park when The Stone Roses played, it looked like a midget had suddenly skipped onto the stage, shes seriously miniscule.

I should like her really as she likes cricket apparently. She is often is at Lord's or The Oval and appeared on TMS interviewed by Bumble.

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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

He is the chap from The Clash correct?

The very same, son of a diplomat by the way, his Dad worked in the foreign office, spent the early days of his youth living variously in Ankara Turkey (where he was born), Mexico, Bonn in Germany and i think Malawi.  Then came to England and went to boarding school, left at age 16 and just started squatting and living the hippie life.  His public school background caused much consternation when his leftist Clash era politics came out.  Rotten particularly disliked him, especially after his 'rock against the rich' thing, which Rotten found funny because 'afterwards he went back home to Holland Park' (a very posh area of Chelsea).

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

The very same, son of a diplomat by the way, his Dad worked in the foreign office, spent the early days of his youth living variously in Ankara Turkey (where he was born), Mexico, Bonn in Germany and i think Malawi.  Then came to England and went to boarding school, left at age 16 and just started squatting and living the hippie life.  His public school background caused much consternation when his leftist Clash era politics came out.  Rotten particularly disliked him, especially after his 'rock against the rich' thing, which Rotten found funny because 'afterwards he went back home to Holland Park' (a very posh area of Chelsea).

The old breed, ehh? Nothing much to do when the sun set on the empire but form a punk band. Poor bastard: he could have been vice-royal of India if the beastly colonials hadn't caused a stink.

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4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The old breed, ehh? Nothing much to do when the sun set on the empire but form a punk band. Poor bastard: he could have been vice-royal of India if the beastly colonials hadn't caused a stink.

What do you make of the criticism?  I'd be interested to know.  I mean the idea that, as a son of a diplomat and a public school-boy, that he is something of a charlatan in terms of his punk credentials.  Bearing in mind he left public school at 15/16 and pretty much lived by his wits on the streets for the next 7 or 8 years until The Clash were formed and made it.

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40 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

What do you make of the criticism?  I'd be interested to know.  I mean the idea that, as a son of a diplomat and a public school-boy, that he is something of a charlatan in terms of his punk credentials.  Bearing in mind he left public school at 15/16 and pretty much lived by his wits on the streets for the next 7 or 8 years until The Clash were formed and made it.

I do not know. Is he singing about growing up in a council house? Rotten does butter commercials. You can now buy Guns N' Roses beach towels for a second mortgage. Must of the punk credo turned out to be vacuous rubbish really. It was all about money.

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25 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I do not know. Is he singing about growing up in a council house? Rotten does butter commercials. You can now buy Guns N' Roses beach towels for a second mortgage. Must of the punk credo turned out to be vacuous rubbish really. It was all about money.

Not exactly about growing up in a council house but very much the plight of the working classes etc. He was in a hippie pub rock band prior to that, The 101ers.  Called himself Woody after Guthrie.

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The left and freedom of speech have always been unlikely bedfellows. Indeed it is difficult to see how the left could advocate such democratic bulwarks as freedom of speech when they believe so vehemently that everybody should believe exactly what they believe!

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4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The left and freedom of speech have always been unlikely bedfellows. Indeed it is difficult to see how the left could advocate such democratic bulwarks as freedom of speech when they believe so vehemently that everybody should believe exactly what they believe!

Again, you have to be careful when you use the term left.  The "left" in the US and Canada are not in anyway synonymous with the historical European left.  Moreover, how do you square your comments to the left-leaning Scandavian governments that promote socialist policies but whose citizens share the same liberties experienced by citizens in other nations?

I do agree that both the left and right need to quit efforts to suppress speech they do not agree with.  Legal or physical threats should not be tolerated in any shape or form.  But to suggest this is only a problem on the left is absurd.  Extreme right regimes and countries have suppressed speech just as severely and widely as extreme left regimes.  Moreover, America now has a President who advocates for limits on the first amendment while being advised by people who suggest the media needs to "keep its mouth shut."

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