Padme Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Borexit. More like May has negotiated for two years. And she is ends up with is a deal that would make the UK some kind of @SoulMonster land. Of course nobody wants that. It wasn't the plan when the referendum took place. Either leave without a deal or call for peoples vote/second referendum. At least one of the two sides is going to be happy with the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Padme said: More like May has negotiated for two years. And she is ends up with is a deal that would make the UK some kind of @SoulMonster land. Of course nobody wants that. It wasn't the plan when the referendum took place. Either leave without a deal or call for peoples vote/second referendum. At least one of the two sides is going to be happy with the outcome. Would a second referendum not make a farce of the democratic process though? I mean you can't just keep doing the shit until you get the verdict you want, it don't work like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Len Cnut said: Would a second referendum not make a farce of the democratic process though? I mean you can't just keep doing the shit until you get the verdict you want, it don't work like that. This agreement was not in the ballot the day the referendum took place. It is a third way that nobody voted for. So this agreement is not respecting the democratic process that Leave voters want. March is the deadline. Hard Brexit takes effect if the government is defeated in Parliament. And no second referendum takes place. That's why there is talk about a Plan B. What kind of a new agreement May and the EU can come up with when there they are running out of time? Even if they manage to make another deal. There is no guarantee Parliament will pass it. May needs at least every single member of her party and every single DUP member in order to pass that new agreement. I don't see Labour and other parties cooperating with May. If you want to respect the democratic process it is just plain Leave/hard Brexit with all the consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Padme said: More like May has negotiated for two years. And she is ends up with is a deal that would make the UK some kind of @SoulMonster land. Of course nobody wants that. It wasn't the plan when the referendum took place. Either leave without a deal or call for peoples vote/second referendum. At least one of the two sides is going to be happy with the outcome. Whut? Of course people want their country to be more like Norway. Just ask @Graemeor Sanders. You can't have our fjords, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Padme said: This agreement was not in the ballot the day the referendum took place. It is a third way that nobody voted for. So this agreement is not respecting the democratic process that Leave voters want. March is the deadline. Hard Brexit takes effect if the government is defeated in Parliament. And no second referendum takes place. That's why there is talk about a Plan B. What kind of a new agreement May and the EU can come up with when there they are running out of time? Even if they manage to make another deal. There is no guarantee Parliament will pass it. May needs at least every single member of her party and every single DUP member in order to pass that new agreement. I don't see Labour and other parties cooperating with May. If you want to respect the democratic process it is just plain Leave/hard Brexit with all the consequences. Well you make your bed you gotta lie in it, its up to us end of the day innit, we voted for it. I mean I didn't vote at all and many people didn't vote for it but thats how it works innit, if you vote Tory and a Labour government goes in they're still your government, at least until the next election and that is, as far as my limited understanding takes me, sort of the situation here. It just is what it is, we've got to swallow it. Edited January 10, 2019 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) The chattering classes do not seem to grasp the concept of an ''once in the lifetime'' - this was labelled by the remain campaign just as much as the leave campaign - closed-question referendum: ''having failed, do it again (as we have such contempt for the electorate)''. Edited January 11, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Well you make your bed you gotta lie in it, its up to us end of the day innit, we voted for it. I mean I didn't vote at all and many people didn't vote for it but thats how it works innit, if you vote Tory and a Labour government goes in they're still your government, at least until the next election and that is, as far as my limited understanding takes me, sort of the situation here. It just is what it is, we've got to swallow it. What Government? That's the main problem now. May didn't vote for Brexit. She wasn't even PM when the referendum took place. She is the PM now because she made an agreement with DUP. DUP is not very happy with this deal either. The Government is also divided. Some Tories want hard Brexit, other don't want any Brexit and another group support this deal. Labour is against this deal but they don't want a second referendum either. They are in a similar situation the Tories are. Lib. Democrats are against it. SNP is against it, Green Party also against it. They are not only against this deal but also against Brexit. This is Anarchy in UK. John Joseph Lydon a.k.a. Johnny Rotten would be the best PM under this current state of affairs. The only party that was and still is 100% behind Leave is UKIP. They don't have not even one MP. On top of that, their former leader Farage has also said he is open to the idea for a second referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 8:45 AM, Padme said: May didn't vote for Brexit. Please let's stop with that narrative. She spent years attacking it, then backed remain by saying as little as possible in an attempt to boost her chances at leadership. She gave an interview or two and showed up at a press conference, but wasn't exactly front and centre of remain. It's people like her that convinced people to vote leave prior to the referendum, just like Cameron. It's like people pretended she didn't exist and wasn't home secretary prior to the referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, AtariLegend said: Please let's stop with that narrative. She spent years attacking it, then backed remain by saying as little as possible in an attempt to boost her chances at leadership. She gave an interview or two and showed up at a press conference, but wasn't exactly front and centre of remain. It's people like her that convinced people to vote leave prior to the referendum, just like Cameron. It's like people pretended she didn't exist and wasn't home secretary prior to the referendum. I don't think any of these wankers actually back things in the sense of like being committed to an ideal or a principle, its just whatever'll get you ahead of the queue. And this instance they've fucked themselves hard because they've backed a blag to get front of the queue and now the ones in the front of the queue find themselves in the position of not only fighting for something they don't believe in but also trying to actualize something that no one knows fuck all about. Its like trying to write an essay, not knowing the answer and just going by the theory of 'fuck it, slap some kinda shit together, it'll be better than a blank page'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Your salvos are aimed at completely the wrong people Atari. Theresa May chose remain whilst Cameron argued passionately remain. Rather than target remainers for perceived Europhilic moderation you should really be directing your ire towards bona fide Euroskeptics who did campaign leave, Messrs Boris, Gove and Farage being the three most prominent examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Apparently we are now copying the frogs, https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1071036/yellow-vest-protest-london-news-britain-is-broken-protest-chaos Get your yellow vest on and protest against, ehh, somethink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Apparently we are now copying the frogs, https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1071036/yellow-vest-protest-london-news-britain-is-broken-protest-chaos Get your yellow vest on and protest against, ehh, somethink. Don't worry, its coming on to rain, they won't stick it out long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: Don't worry, its coming on to rain, they won't stick it out long We don't really protest as well as the French do we? We don't do protesting and we don't do revolutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: We don't really protest as well as the French do we? We don't do protesting and we don't do revolutions. The French are a bit too good at it We're more inclined towards moaning and strongly worded letters. The only people that can be bothered to get out in the street over here are people looking for a flat screen and a new pair of trainers. On the up side of which is you can get a new living room set for next to nothing on the estates the week after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: The French are a bit too good at it We're more inclined towards moaning and strongly worded letters. The only people that can be bothered to get out in the street over here are people looking for a flat screen and a new pair of trainers. On the up side of which is you can get a new living room set for next to nothing on the estates the week after. When the frogs do it revolutions happen, monarchies collapse, big seismic events happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: When the frogs do it revolutions happen, monarchies collapse, big seismic events happen. We secretly fancy the gentry too much to drag em out of their houses screaming and stick em in the tumbrils. There's nothing that the working classes love more than fuckin' wanking off over royal weddings or sauve sophisticated fictional poshos like James Bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: We don't really protest as well as the French do we? We don't do protesting and we don't do revolutions. In the UK there's been massive demostrations for different issues. However destroying cities like the French do it's retard. The next day if you need to go to a shop. All you find is ashes and bronken glasses. If the police can't handle it. Send the army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Padme said: In the UK there's been massive demostrations for different issues. However destroying cities like the French do it's retard. The next day if you need to go to a shop. All you find is ashes and bronken glasses. If the police can't handle it. Send the army. I guess it all depends on the degree of the oppression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Len Cnut said: The French are a bit too good at it We're more inclined towards moaning and strongly worded letters. The only people that can be bothered to get out in the street over here are people looking for a flat screen and a new pair of trainers. On the up side of which is you can get a new living room set for next to nothing on the estates the week after. Nah the british need to go back to the punk revolution and punk look. It was the perfect look as a protest against thatcher. Edited January 12, 2019 by Sydney Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: Nah the british need to go back to the punk revolution and punk look. It was the perfect look as a protest against thatcher. Yeah cuz she was well bothered eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Padme said: In the UK there's been massive demostrations for different issues. However destroying cities like the French do it's retard. The next day if you need to go to a shop. All you find is ashes and bronken glasses. If the police can't handle it. Send the army. The French when they riot don't just destroy cities but constitutions. The entirety of French history commencing 1789 is basically a series of riot induced revolutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Len Cnut said: I guess it all depends on the degree of the oppression. You're a shop owner. And here come a bunch of people to destroy your shop. Whatever problem they have it's not your fault. You're just trying to make a living selling your merchandise. Next thing you know your shop is gone. You have to rent a new shop elsewhere. Or you have to call your insurance company. They eventually take care of rebuilding your store. In the meantime you can't work. 46 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: The French when they riot don't just destroy cities but constitutions. The entirety of French history commencing 1789 is basically a series of riot induced revolutions. You end up with a war zone.Some of those building could very well be musseums. A lot of buildings are architectonic treasures and some of them are historic. And yet in other buildings there are people living. The irony is that The Bastille is long gone. There is Bastille Square but not Bastille. You seem to like V For Vendetta kind of revolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Padme said: You're a shop owner. And here come a bunch of people to destroy your shop. Whatever problem they have it's not your fault. You're just trying to make a living selling your merchandise. Next thing you know your shop is gone. You have to rent a new shop elsewhere. Or you have to call your insurance company. They eventually take care of rebuilding your store. In the meantime you can't work. You end up with a war zone.Some of those building could very well be musseums. A lot of buildings are architectonic treasures and some of them are historic. And yet in other buildings there are people living. The irony is that The Bastille is long gone. There is Bastille Square but not Bastille. You seem to like V For Vendetta kind of revolution It was pulled down by the Committee, a revolutionary act of eradicating the ancien régime. They, well a chap called Palloy, built these ''mini Bastilles'' from the stones and sent them to disparate parts of the republic as a quasi-religious form of iconology. They can still be found in museums, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 France in virtual civil war. Political deadlock in Britain Political-economic deadlock in United States This democracy malarkey is not looking so good, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: France in virtual civil war. Political deadlock in Britain Political-economic deadlock in United States This democracy malarkey is not looking so good, is it? For France is a been there, done that situation. Back in 1968 there was a lot more trouble. Don't worry about Britain. Your "friend" Juncker is on top of things https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/11/juncker-hints-at-helping-out-theresa-may-over-brexit-deal As for the U.S. let them go to hell. Americans might learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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