Dazey Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, action said: venus has the biggest greenhouse effect going on in our entire solar system, but there's not a single human to be found. It's all the result of natural processes. therefore, the claim that humans are responsible for the greenhouse effect on earth, seems a bit pretentious to me. The atmosphere on Venus consists almost completely of CO2. Think about that for a moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Dazey said: The atmosphere on Venus consists almost completely of CO2. Think about that for a moment. I did. natural processes were the cause, not humans. Stone cold proof that nature, by itself, is capable of creating a greenhouse effect, with CO2, all by itself. I'm not denying the greenhouse effect on earth, I'm just denying humans are the cause. Like they are not the cause on venus either for obvious reasons. think about that for a moment. Edited December 27, 2019 by action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Climate change is now a religious cult, and, much like remainers pertaining to Brexit, anyone who expresses any doubt is castigated and told ''they're ignorant'' by smug arrogant liberals. Climate change in reality has been going on for the whole of earth's existence. We were in a mini Ice Age until the 1850s, and before that, during the middle ages, we were undergoing a warm period. Don't remember Thomas à Becket worrying about sticking his plastics in an over sized bin outside Canterbury Cathedral? There is a girl in one of the bad Jurassic Park sequels that reminds me of Greta Thurnberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Climate change is now a religious cult, and, much like remainers pertaining to Brexit I had no idea that opinions on Breixt were based on conclusive scientific discovery. 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: anyone who expresses any doubt is castigated and told ''they're ignorant'' by smug arrogant liberals effervescent, witty, loveable and extremely charming lefties Yep, doubting scientific consensus is ignorant. You are ignoring it by choice. And whats funny too is that you posted a graph that is (I trust) based on scientific discovery! So I guess that graph is also a timeline of when you stopped believing the scientific community? Where it says "today" with the arrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, soon said: I had no idea that opinions on Breixt were based on conclusive scientific discovery. Yep, doubting scientific consensus is ignorant. You are ignoring it by choice. And whats funny too is that you posted a graph that is (I trust) based on scientific discovery! So I guess that graph is also a timeline of when you stopped believing the scientific community? Where it says "today" with the arrow? - Climate change has always existed. - It existed long before humans. - The world has actually witnessed far greater extremes than what is occurring now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, DieselDaisy said: - Climate change has always existed. - It existed long before humans. - The world has actually witnessed far greater extremes than what is occurring now. Just how old are you, baldy?!?! No one is ignorant of that. Just you are willfully ignorant about how human activity is causing the changes we are seeing. And that they pose an existential threat. Thats what the science says. You are barred from posting science, since you are denying science in the same fell swoop! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, soon said: Just how old are you, baldy?!?! No one is ignorant of that. Just you are willfully ignorant about how human activity is causing the changes we are seeing. And that they pose an existential threat. Thats what the science says. You are barred from posting science, since you are denying science in the same fell swoop! See, you cannot stand the truth. Marxist environmentalist that you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: See, you cannot stand the truth. Marxist environmentalist that you are. By denying science you have not in any way shape or form cast any light on me. Your grumpy old man babble has not at all shown that I have an inability to stand the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, soon said: Just how old are you, baldy?!?! No one is ignorant of that. Just you are willfully ignorant about how human activity is causing the changes we are seeing. And that they pose an existential threat. Thats what the science says. You are barred from posting science, since you are denying science in the same fell swoop! are humans responsible for climate change on venus too? stupid question, but I'd like you to answer it anyway. venus is generally viewed as earth's twin planet, and it resides in the so called goldy locks region, just like earth. so please fill in the following form, after reading the above question in bold again: A.1 if the answer is no, then what causes climate change on venus? A.1.1 if you say, science can not explain climate change on venus, then please answer question B.1 A.1.2 if you can provide an explanation for climate change on venus, the please answer question B.2 B.1. if science can not explain climate change on venus, then how can it explain climate change on earth? B.2. why couldn't this be a reason for climate change on earth too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Climate change is now a religious cult, and, much like remainers pertaining to Brexit, anyone who expresses any doubt is castigated and told ''they're ignorant'' by smug arrogant liberals. Climate change in reality has been going on for the whole of earth's existence. We were in a mini Ice Age until the 1850s, and before that, during the middle ages, we were undergoing a warm period. When 97% of the scientists (who know a lot more about this than you) claim that humans are a major cause of today's global warming, then I would rather take their word for it, and it would be quite ignorant indeed to go against that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: - Climate change has always existed. - It existed long before humans. - The world has actually witnessed far greater extremes than what is occurring now. "entartete wissenshaft", as the german lefties would call that graph for the rest of us, this graph is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, action said: are humans responsible for climate change on venus too? stupid question, but I'd like you to answer it anyway. venus is generally viewed as earth's twin planet, and it resides in the so called goldy locks region, just like earth. so please fill in the following form, after reading the above question in bold again: A.1 if the answer is no, then what causes climate change on venus? A.1.1 if you say, science can not explain climate change on venus, then please answer question B.1 A.1.2 if you can provide an explanation for climate change on venus, the please answer question B.2 B.1. if science can not explain climate change on venus, then how can it explain climate change on earth? B.2. why couldn't this be a reason for climate change on earth too? https://www.ipcc.ch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, EvanG said: When 97% of the scientists (who know a lot more about this than you) claim that humans are a major cause of today's global warming, then I would rather take their word for it, and it would be quite ignorant indeed to go against that. I'm sure they say that, but what's their proof? proof is the basis for science, otherwise it's just philosophy. what proof is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, action said: I'm sure they say that, but what's their proof? proof is the basis for science, otherwise it's just philosophy. what proof is there? google.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, action said: "entartete wissenshaft", as the german lefties would call that graph for the rest of us, this graph is spot on. You CANT trust this graph because it was produced by scientists. You dont trust scientists, dont forget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, soon said: https://www.ipcc.ch/ you're the one making the claim, so you have the burden of proof. I'm not going to read that website. I trust you have since you are making the claim. So could you tell me what you base your opinion of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, action said: you're the one making the claim, so you have the burden of proof. I'm not going to read that website. I trust you have since you are making the claim. So could you tell me what you base your opinion of? https://www.ipcc.ch/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, soon said: You CANT trust this graph because it was produced by scientists. You dont trust scientists, dont forget. but it's ok. greta says we are responsible. who needs proof when her excellency, miss thunberg, does the thinking for us Edited December 27, 2019 by action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, action said: but it's ok. greta says we are responsible. who needs proof when her excellency, miss thunberg, does the thinking for us https://www.ipcc.ch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, EvanG said: When 97% of the scientists (who know a lot more about this than you) claim that humans are a major cause of today's global warming, then I would rather take their word for it, and it would be quite ignorant indeed to go against that. Collectivist mentality, thought fascists, and they are actually a number of scientists who have questioned the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, soon said: https://www.ipcc.ch/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, action said: You know what, I really like this soon guy. He seems well informed and he's also really fun to chill out with. Im grateful to have crossed paths with him. He's helped me understand that I should inform myself instead of talking complete ass. Oh shucks... thanks bro! You should read this book too, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Collectivist mentality, thought fascists, and they are actually a number of scientists who have questioned the thing. 3%. Look, if it was 50% or even 60%, I would have my doubts too, but we're talking about NINETY-SEVEN% of the scientists around the world. I'm not a scientist, neither are you or action, when almost 100% of them, who have been studying and researching this for maybe half their lives, all claim the same thing, then it would be ignorant not to believe them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 44 minutes ago, EvanG said: 3%. Look, if it was 50% or even 60%, I would have my doubts too, but we're talking about NINETY-SEVEN% of the scientists around the world. I'm not a scientist, neither are you or action, when almost 100% of them, who have been studying and researching this for maybe half their lives, all claim the same thing, then it would be ignorant not to believe them. the scientific principle dictates proof. a claim is one thing, proof is something else. if there was proof, there would be 100% of scientists who would agree, not 97%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 2 hours ago, action said: I'm sure they say that, but what's their proof? proof is the basis for science, otherwise it's just philosophy. what proof is there? Actually there’s no such thing as a proof in science. You must be thinking of math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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