Amazon Fires

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

On 8/23/2019 at 8:02 PM, Chewbacca said:

The fires are happening. Like they do every year.

Is it really record breaking? No.

Some of these fires may also have criminal origins.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/nasa-amazon-fires-below-average/

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil

They have found around 75000-72000 points of fire in amazonia this time around. It is not even a record for this decade.

Here is an old article (in Brazilian portuguese, sorry) from 2010 showing we had 90000 of those back then:

http://g1.globo.com/brasil/noticia/2010/08/cresce-numero-de-focos-de-incendio-no-brasil.html

("Mil" in portuguese means thousand not a million, therefore 90 mil means 90000).

Just more stupid humans destroying the earth's resources yet again.

Man is going to destroy the earth and himself one day.

These forests are very important to our air and the future of earth.

I guess no one can stop the shit from happening.

Just so sad.

[rebeldhipi]

8 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Well yeah, the video I posted earlier. Here's another source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/noticias.r7.com/brasil/primeiro-mes-de-bolsonaro-registra-queda-dos-indices-de-criminalidade-20052019%3famp

It says violent crime was reduced by 24-25%

 

Here, I used google translator and there's not much translation noise:

Despite the result, homicide rate is still high

The number of murders, killings (robbery followed by death), cargo theft, vehicle and other crimes were reduced in January, Jair Bolsonaro's first month as President of the Republic.

The data are from Sinesp (National Information System for Public Safety, Prison, Arms and Ammunition Traceability, Genetic Material, Digital and Drug). This is the first time numbers have been released in a standardized and official manner.

Nine crimes included in the report: rape, vehicle theft, willful murder, personal injury followed by death, theft of the financial institution, cargo theft, vehicle theft, murder and attempted murder.

In January 2018, there were 58,059 registrations. In 2019, 44,207: reduction of 23.85%. The only state that did not enter the statistics was Paraná, which had not made the data available.

Murder cases fell by 20.63% (3,600) compared with January 2018. The killings fell by 11.87% (141 cases in 2019).

In 2018 Brazil recorded an average of 24.02 homicide victims per 100,000 inhabitants. The world average is 6.4 per 100,000 people.

The number of reported rape cases fell from 4,096 in January 2018 to 3,663 in the same month this year, down 10.57%.

Vehicle and cargo theft dropped 28.5% (16,172 cases) and 27.3% (1,521 cases), respectively.

Already theft of vehicles totaled 18,170 cases, presenting a reduction of 13.55% in the month analyzed.
 

Fair enough

[Basic_GnR_Fan]

Bolsonaro is just another fake strongman with neo-liberal economics. Seriously, can a brotha get some third position left wing economics, right wing social issues, anti-war, and eco-fascist people into power 

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Well, it seems alot of countries including the US are sending aid down to Brazil. 

The rain forests are so important and all the forests around the world. It's a shame these fires have to happen. I know sometimes it gets so hot here in certain states that fires just start, but sometimes it's humans being stupid and careless and this needs to stop.

If we don't care for our planet, it won't care for us.

[cineater]

7 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Well, it seems alot of countries including the US are sending aid down to Brazil. 

The rain forests are so important and all the forests around the world. It's a shame these fires have to happen. I know sometimes it gets so hot here in certain states that fires just start, but sometimes it's humans being stupid and careless and this needs to stop.

If we don't care for our planet, it won't care for us.

I don't know that the rest of the world has the right to tell Brazil they can't develop farm land for their country.  The US has done their fair share of raping the land and probably has affected the whole world.  Maybe if the rest of the world feels we need that land to maintain the rest of the planet, we should pay some kind of rental fee to help Brazil's economy. 

[DieselDaisy]

 Patronising colonial mindset on behalf of the G7

[soon]

Evidently no one in the G7 knows how to read stats as well as this forums statisticians either 

[SoulMonster]

3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 Patronising colonial mindset on behalf of the G7

"Here have al this money to fix this issue that threatens the entire globe." Yes, very colonial mindset. You sound like that Bolsonaro moron.

[action]

here's how earth defends itself against mankind:

people burn forests and destroy natural resources => forests release CO2 and stop absorbing CO2 => greenhouse effect escalates => not enough drinking water / food => war => billions of dead people because of war and lack of food/water => collapse of the economy => the world being kicked back to the stone age => the rest of the population further diminished by famine and disease => mankind wiped off the face of the earth => problem solved

[DieselDaisy]

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

"Here have al this money to fix this issue that threatens the entire globe." Yes, very colonial mindset. You sound like that Bolsonaro moron.

You are really going to invite Brazilian cooperation by patronising them with arrogant elite disdain and hand-outs.

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

You are really going to invite Brazilian cooperation by patronising them with arrogant elite disdain and hand-outs.

I am not aware how the offer to subsidize Brazil getting control over the Brazilian forest fires with hundreds of millions in financial support, was phrased exactly, but I will of course never take your word for it that it was "arrogant elite disdain." That's just you reacting to one country daring to interfere with another, even when that another controls a huge important resource that affects the rest of the world and which is currently being depleted through out-of-control fires, in the vein of being against the EU because they dare to interfere with UK politics. You are tainted.

[DieselDaisy]

5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I am not aware how the offer to subsidize Brazil getting control over the Brazilian forest fires with hundreds of millions in financial support, was phrased exactly, but I will of course never take your word for it that it was "arrogant elite disdain." That's just you reacting to one country daring to interfere with another, even when that another controls a huge important resource that affects the rest of the world and which is currently being depleted through out-of-control fires, in the vein of being against the EU because they dare to interfere with UK politics. You are tainted.

You have delivered-up your sanctimonious drivel to the ''primitive'' Americans for a multitude of reasons, the British for voting in a democratic referendum and anyone of a religious persuasion, so I suppose the Brazilians deserve to cop it. 

[Basic_GnR_Fan]

4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You have delivered-up your sanctimonious drivel to the ''primitive'' Americans for a multitude of reasons, the British for voting in a democratic referendum and anyone of a religious persuasion, so I suppose the Brazilians deserve to cop it. 

He's a people person, no doubt!

[SoulMonster]

44 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You have delivered-up your sanctimonious drivel to the ''primitive'' Americans for a multitude of reasons, the British for voting in a democratic referendum and anyone of a religious persuasion, so I suppose the Brazilians deserve to cop it. 

So what was said that demonstrated an "arrogant elite disdain"?

[DieselDaisy]

2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

So what was said that demonstrated an "arrogant elite disdain"?

Well accusing somebody of lying is probably not going to endear you to whoever it is you're trying to convince. 

[SoulMonster]

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

Well accusing somebody of lying is probably not going to endear you to whoever it is you're trying to convince. 

But is accusing someone of lying the same as showing an "arrogant elite disdain"? What exactly was said? 

[DieselDaisy]

3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

But is accusing someone of lying the same as showing an "arrogant elite disdain"? What exactly was said? 

Well they are a ''G7'', with Tusk added for no apparent reason. 

[soon]

9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Well accusing somebody of lying is probably not going to endear you to whoever it is you're trying to convince. 

But he is lying and why would any state want to endear themselves to this bigoted mad man?

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

Well they are a ''G7'', with Tusk added for no apparent reason. 

So when you claimed Bolsonaro had been patronised "with arrogant elite disdain" you didn't actually mean that someone had said something to him that was arrogant, or elitistic, or disdainful, but that it came from the G7 and hence, per default, it simply must have been "arrogant elite disdain". Heh.

Thanks for again demonstrating why one shouldn't really care about what you write.

[DieselDaisy]

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Amazonia in Flames – Brazil’s Bolsonaro Is a World Criminal – Encouraging Jungle Burning for Private Exploitation of Freed Land

By Peter Koenig

Global Research, August 26, 2019

On 28 October 2018, Jair Bolsonaro was elected President of Brazil with 55.1% of the vote – and with a gigantic help from Cambridge Analytica.

At the World Economic Forum (WEF) in January 2019 in Davos Switzerland, Bolsonaro made a sumptuous presentation, “We Are Building a New Brazil”. He outlined a program that put literally Brazil up for sale, and especially the Brazilian part of Amazonia. He was talking particularly about Brazil’s water resources, the world’s largest, and the rain forest – offering a huge potential for agricultural development and mining.

None of the world leaders present at the WEF, precisely those that regularly meet pretending to save the planet, reacted to Bolsonaro’s statement on the Amazon region. They all new who Bolsonaro was and is – they knew that the man had no scruples and would destroy – literally – the world’s lungs. They did nothing. They stayed silent in words and deeds, applauding the neonazi for his openness to international business and globalization.

Today, on the occasion of another similar world event, the meeting of the G7 in Biarritz, France, French President Macron accused Bolsonaro of lying when he talked and pledged environmental consciousness after taking office, about protecting the Amazon area. Macron was joined by Germany in threatening Brazil with canceling the trade agreement with Mercosur, if he would not immediately undertake to stop the “wildfires”. They have most likely nothing to do with ‘wild’ – as they according to all circumstantial evidence were planted in a concerted effort to rid the rich Amazon territory of the life-sustaining jungle, so as to make the newly gained flame-deforested land accessible for private agri-business and mining.

Mind you, the G7 is another self-appointed totally illegal group of industrialized, rich countries (similar to the G20); illegal, because they have been approved by nobody, not by the UN or any international body. They became rich mostly on the back of poor developing nations that were and are still colonized for hundreds of years. The G7 count today about 10% of the world population and are controlling 40% of the globe’s GDP.

Despite the fact that nobody, other than themselves ratified their existence and their machinations, they believe they can call the shots of how the world should turn and function. They have no official backing by anybody, especially not the people across the globe, who, with a vast majority are fighting globalization. It’s a useless structure – RT refers to them as “The Unbearable Pointlessness of G7” – but their power lays in the rest of the world’s silence – their silent acceptance of the G7’s arrogant wielding of the scepter of power.

So, would Bolsonaro take them seriously, knowing that he is one of them and they are fully sharing his ideology of profit first, shoving environmental and social values down the muddy waters of the Amazon River? Hardly. He knows they are hypocrites. He knows that they make a bit of noise, because they have to. It makes for good public relation and propaganda – so people don’t go on the barricades. He knows that starting this coming Monday, 26 August, when the G7 summit will be history, that anything the Macrons of this world so impressively said, will fade away. The media will concentrate on other ‘news’ – and the forest fires will burn the life stream of Amazonia away – to make room for corporate profit making by the elite few.

Never mind the Constitutional protection of indigenous people and their land, Bolsonaro backed by evangelists and his military junta will rapidly dismantle any remaining protection for the ecosystem and native communities. His argument goes that the native people’s land is sitting on huge reserves of natural resources that belong to Brazil and may be concessioned to private corporations for mining, exploitation of agriculture and lumber.

Within Hours of Taking Office, “Trump of the Tropics” Starts Assault on the Amazon

The indigenous folks are people who have for thousands of years made a peaceful living in the Amazon. They are the gatekeepers of Amazonia; they are the people who may carry our genes from the present killer civilization to the next, hopefully less of a killer one, when mankind has finally managed to destroy itself. It will not destroy the planet. Never. The planet will just get rid of the nefarious elements of annihilation – mankind – and renew itself. As has happened many times in the past – a new civilization will eventually be born – and, yes, the world’s indigenous people, the likely only survivors, may carry on our DNA, possibly to the next attempt at humanity.

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The fires have so far in about 20 days since they were discovered, consumed at least 74,000 ha of tropical rain forest. The smoke is already trespassing the border to Argentina and affecting the provinces of Formosa, Jujuy, Corrientes, Catamarca, La Rioja, Santa Fe and may have already reached Buenos Aires. NASA reports that about 3.2 million square kilometers of South America are covered by smoke.

The flames are massive and are devastating the jungle at a rapid pace. Amazonia comprises one of the world’s largest rainforests, also known as Mother Earth’s lungs – without which humanity – and fauna and flora might not survive.

According to the Brazilian National Institute for Space Research (INPE), the fires increased by 83% – almost double – from what they were last year, and, not coincidentally, at least 68% of protected areas have been affected. The Brazilian Space Research spotted 72,000 fires, of which 9,000 last week alone. The Amazon is home to 34 million people, including over 350 indigenous groups.

At the onset of the G7 conference, Mr. Macron tweeted:

“Our house is burning. Literally. The Amazon rain forest – the lungs which produces 20% of our planet’s oxygen – is on fire. It is an international crisis. Members of the G7 Summit, let’s discuss this emergency first order in two days!”

The destruction of the Amazon is indeed a crime of first degree. Accordingly, there are protests around the world against Bolsonaro’s “free for all” mining, lumbering, land and water grabbing policies. The eco-warriors Extinction Rebellion (XR) organize widespread protests, and in front of London’s Brazilian Embassy protesters chanted, “Hey hey, ho ho, Bolsonaro’s got to go!”.

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While the Brazil fires catch world attention, there are jungle fires even larger than those in Amazonia burning down other parts of the world’s oxygen-generating lungs. Bloomberg cites NASA data, according to which last Thursday and Friday, 22 an 23 August – in two days alone – more than 6,900 fires were recorded in Angola and about 3,400 in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), about 5 times as many as in the same two days in the Brazilian Amazon region. The destruction of the jungle in Africa progresses virtually unnoticed and is hardly reported in western media. Bloomberg is an exception. Whys is that?

Could it be that the same globalized corporations interested in Brazil’s natural resources underlaying the Amazon forests, are also interested in those enormous reserves of minerals and hydrocarbon resources of Central Africa? Have they – DRC, Angola and possibly others been encouraged tacitly or directly by Bolsonaro and his clan to let the jungle burn? There are plenty of Brazilian corporations which have a vivid interest in Angola, another former Portuguese colony.

Despite the G7 apparent concern to protect the world’s lungs in Amazonia, they seem to be oblivious about the Central African rain forest devastation. The massive African fires too advance rapidly and extinguish another part of the world’s lungs. But these fires are not on the G7 radar, or agenda for discussion, and nobody is threatened with sanctioning if the respective governments remain hapless onlookers.

In 2008, a so-called Amazon Fund, the first UN REDD+ initiative for the protection, preservation and monitoring of the Amazon region was created (UN REDD+ = reduce emissions from deforestation and forest degradation, and foster conservation, sustainable management of forests, and enhancement of forest carbon stocks).

Germany and Norway – and others – have accused Brazil for not having properly invested their contribution into the Fund. Norway has recently blocked a payment of US$ 30 million destined for the Fund. Germany had blocked already in early August the equivalent of US$ 39 million for different Amazon protection programs to be financed by the Fund. But Bolsonaro, in a nonchalant manner dismissed the blocked payments, suggesting that Germany should use the funds for reforestation of Germany.

In the case of Brazil, the threats by the Macron-Merkel duo – and others – seem to have had at least at the outset the effect that Bolsonaro is mobilizing the military to help extinguish the fires. Will he succeed? – Does he want to succeed? – In any case will the media continue reporting on progress once the G7 have gone home? – Will the world’s outcry be loud enough to force a concerted effort, possibly UN led – to fight and extinguish these fires that are menacing not only to destroy a key oxygen generator for life on mother earth, but also a UNESCO protected world heritage?

 

https://www.globalresearch.ca/amazonia-flames-brazil-bolsonaro-world-criminal/5687210

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

The President of Brazil wants an apology from the French President before he accepts aid for the fires. OMG! It's like little kids fighting instead of men helping each other out.

[soon]

"Brazil, the country originally known for using hot wax to remove pubic hair - now known for using hot fire to remove the Amazon forest" 

- The Beaverton, ctv.ca

Edited August 29, 2019 by soon

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

On 8/26/2019 at 10:05 PM, cineater said:

I don't know that the rest of the world has the right to tell Brazil they can't develop farm land for their country.  The US has done their fair share of raping the land and probably has affected the whole world.  Maybe if the rest of the world feels we need that land to maintain the rest of the planet, we should pay some kind of rental fee to help Brazil's economy. 

So this is something Brazil needs to do? Then why is everyone bitching about it?  I agree if it's Brazil's land and this is what they do I don't get it?

Are they helping the natives and the animals get out before they burn the forest.

I agree with you on the US fucking up the land. It's been done since expanding to the west and the only ones who ever cared for the land was the Native Americans and we know what happened to most of them. 

This is why all these terrible storms and hurricanes and earthquakes happen because we are not taking care of out planet.

Is this all political yet again?

[cineater]

3 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

So this is something Brazil needs to do? Then why is everyone bitching about it?  I agree if it's Brazil's land and this is what they do I don't get it?

Are they helping the natives and the animals get out before they burn the forest.

I agree with you on the US fucking up the land. It's been done since expanding to the west and the only ones who ever cared for the land was the Native Americans and we know what happened to most of them. 

This is why all these terrible storms and hurricanes and earthquakes happen because we are not taking care of out planet.

Is this all political yet again?

Once the media and politics gets a hold of it, it's hard to tell fact from sensationalism.  We're all victims of the spin.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

20 hours ago, cineater said:

Once the media and politics gets a hold of it, it's hard to tell fact from sensationalism.  We're all victims of the spin.

So true. All the online shit too. You just don't know what's true anymore.

Anyway, I do hope no one is hurt from the fires and also the poor animals that make the rain forest their home.