Bozo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Can we all agree that this record NEVER needed Bucket nor Orchestral Arrangements? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruzzz Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Dunno about you guys, but I kinda need Shackler's with bucket's solo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bozo said: Can we all agree that this record NEVER needed Bucket nor Orchestral Arrangements? The orchestral arrangements were a big part of what I loved about ChiDem & what initially got me hooked ... & of course Bucket is Bucket ... But this earlier form of the record definitely has a RAW feeling to it & I agree ... It didn't "need" those extras ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabfm Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bozo said: Can we all agree that this record NEVER needed Bucket nor Orchestral Arrangements? I agree with the Orchesta sections. I think if they brought Bucket earlier, would have been better. Providing ideas for songs at the same time as Finck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 This record needed Bucket, Bumble (minus Catcher), and all the orchestra stuff imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 This is huge! Isint Bucket on this Riad tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendestroi95 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bozo said: Can we all agree that this record NEVER needed Bucket nor Orchestral Arrangements? Never needed paul* Needed Buckethead working along with Robin from the start* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketdude_666 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, rebeldhipi said: This is huge! Isint Bucket on this Riad tho? i guess not, the mix is from March 27th ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said: i guess not, the mix is from March 27th ... 2 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said: i guess not, the mix is from March 27th ... November 7th actually, same as silkworm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketdude_666 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, rebeldhipi said: November 7th actually, same as silkworm When was Buckethead announced as a official member? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruzzz Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, Bozo said: Can we all agree that this record NEVER needed Bucket nor Orchestral Arrangements? Nah, we can't. Buckethead composed Sorry and Shackler's, 2 great songs. His solos on Rhiad are amazing (yeah, I prefer them over Bumblefoot), same on If the world and TWAT. Bucket's contributions to chinese democracy are great. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said: When was Buckethead announced as a official member? Josh Left in March 2000 and Bucket was already in the band at that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketdude_666 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, rebeldhipi said: Josh Left in March 2000 and Bucket was already in the band at that point. It is confirmed at some point that buckethead and Josh were in the band at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronartest2004 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Damn, if this had been released in 2000. Then have an album in the mid to late 2000s with the later bucket stuff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Bucketdude_666 said: It is confirmed at some point that buckethead and Josh were in the band at the same time? Yes. Josh said in some interview that he brought Bucket to the band, but at the time he was starting to leave the band And he told Bucket basicly that he should join GNR but im not gonna be here for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said: It is confirmed at some point that buckethead and Josh were in the band at the same time? Only for a few months. Like November 1999 - March 2000 or some shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruzzz Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said: It is confirmed at some point that buckethead and Josh were in the band at the same time? Yes. This is a great interview with Josh and he talks about when Buckethead entered GNR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, viruzzz said: Nah, we can't. Buckethead composed Sorry and Shackler's, 2 great songs. His solos on Rhiad are amazing (yeah, I prefer them over Bumblefoot), same on If the world and TWAT. Bucket's contributions to chinese democracy are great. The issue is that the record was done when he entered the band. Yeah, love TWAT final solo, but the overall feeling is that his presence kinda confused Axl. All of a sudden, even with a great record and compositions ready to go, Axl felt the need to embrace the virtuoso/shredder stuff into the project, which IMO messed up with the balance of the band. That reflected on the final product, that sounds very incohesive, as opposed to this rough mixes. This mixes are spot on! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Man this album sounds TIGHT! the final 2008 mix still holds a special place. But im super glad to have this 2000 edition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendestroi95 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 i really want to hear "Oklahoma", but it's probably an instrumental-only since it was recorded in March 2000, and on the previous month when he played the new songs for Rolling Stone it still didn't have lyrics February 3, 2000 - In addition to the album’s almost grungy title track, tentative song titles include “Catcher in the Rye,” “I.R.S.,” “The Blues” and “TWAT,” which he says stands for “there was a time.” Another song, called “Oklahoma” – heard tonight only as an instrumental – was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. “I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing,” Rose remembers with a wince. “We had a break, and I’m sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing – it was like, ‘Forgive me, people, I’m having trouble taking this seriously.’ It’s just ironic that we’re sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I’m sitting there with, she don’t care. Obliterating me is their goal.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerfan_rus Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, TeeJay410 said: 320 kbps, so not bad quality. The mixes are great in comparison and don't feature the weird audio watermarks the hoarders had on previous single releases of perhaps and atlas with weird beat skips and stereo jiggering. The mixes, for being rough, sound great. Definitely not yet mastered, so it is a notch below the actual sound of Chinese Democracy but still incredible and worth having. Actually the files are 320kbps but it's content is not - it's only 128~160 as you can see per frequency spectrum (the peak is around 16kHz). Seems like leaker made this type of rip. Imagine these songs in full quality! =0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mota Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 So the album was rlly ready by 2000...and what an album man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UYI4 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 man it's all so good and so much less compressed than 2008CD. Just to think of all of the other stuff that is finished out there on a hard drive or disc somewhere that we may never hear. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in axl's home studio. He probably has tons of stuff finished that sounds amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Okay, I am REELING from this and struggling to keep up. We do not have rough mix number two, right? I am dying to hear unfucked with Shackler's. PS - It's been said multiple times in this thread already, but HOLY FUCK ATLAS SOUNDS DIVINE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 This version of Riad is so awesome. The version on the 2008 album is ridiculous in comparison- that stupid 40 seconds that Pitman stole, little bleeps in the song, etc. This version’s got grit and depth to it! Love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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