Blackstar Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) Full Locomotive video is out. Great outro. Very good overall instrumentally. Vocally some very strong parts and some weaker ones. Good effort in general, considering Axl's age and current vocal abilities, and the fact that it's not an easy song to sing (but it would be much, much better if he sang the verses in his lower voice). You can hear the (unnecessary) backing track clearly, though. Edited July 6, 2023 by Blackstar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lake sa66ath Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 GN’R resorting to backing tracks now, what is this sorcery?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, 6lake sa66ath said: GN’R resorting to backing tracks now, what is this sorcery?! I think you mean trickery 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batatadoce Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, 6lake sa66ath said: GN’R resorting to backing tracks now, what is this sorcery?! they've been using backing tracks for years. On shackler, Sorry, Chinese democracy, etc. Since the reunion they've been using less of them, but still at use on absurd and locomotive (that I can remember). They only use for vocal layers on specific song 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 It's not trickery, as in them trying to "cheat" or anything like that. I just think they could do without the backing track in this case. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 11 hours ago, Blackstar said: For me neither PTU nor Locomotive "need" the higher register in the sense that they would lack for energy or strength without it. The studio version of Locomotive has layered vocals and Axl can sing only one of them live anyway, so why not sing the lower one and let the higher one to Melissa. I think it would be better to save what's left of his higher register for the songs and parts that really need it, e.g. Rocket Queen and the second part of Estranged (although even that one sounded good with his lower voice last year in London, but would lose something from the way it's supposed to sound). I don't mind delegating vocals to other singers, and didn't think it hurt Estranged to much not to go up into the higher register - some songs can be adapted easier, like he could sing November rain in his lower range too. But for my taste, Melissa singing those line just doesn't cut it. I know the thought process "she's hitting the notes, the line is being sung and Axl is still singing another line" but her voice couldn't be any further from Axls. If she could add some grit/nasality to it, I think it would sound better... I know Bumble wasn't to everyone's liking but when he sang Axl lines, he at least but the twang in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jakey Styley Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Blackstar said: It's not trickery, as in them trying to "cheat" or anything like that. I just think they could do without the backing track in this case. I’m reminded of when people here got on Axl for not somehow singing both voices in Shacklers Revenge live at the same time lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Tom2112 said: I don't mind delegating vocals to other singers, and didn't think it hurt Estranged to much not to go up into the higher register - some songs can be adapted easier, like he could sing November rain in his lower range too. But for my taste, Melissa singing those line just doesn't cut it. I know the thought process "she's hitting the notes, the line is being sung and Axl is still singing another line" but her voice couldn't be any further from Axls. If she could add some grit/nasality to it, I think it would sound better... I know Bumble wasn't to everyone's liking but when he sang Axl lines, he at least but the twang in there. Yeah, I get what you're saying (that PTU and Locomotive choruses are too "aggressive" for Melissa to do the high parts of justice, as opposed to "softer" songs). But, realistically, Axl can't pull them off well in his high-pitched voice however much he practices and I don't think he would consider getting another singer just for this job on stage (and I probably wouldn't like that either). So, singing them in his still powerful lower voice with help from Melissa and Duff is, imo, the best option right now next to the ideal (but unrealistic) one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Some reviews and articles (in Swiss German, summaries are based on auto-translation): 1. https://euro.dayfr.com/local/483111.htm Summary: Musically great show, Slash still brilliant. Axl's voice not what it used to be (auto-translated excerpt reads: "We would hold it less against him if he decided to choose how he wants to sing. In the same song, he goes from a falsetto voice to a low voice. And when he tries to go high, his face is not far from turning scarlet (like on 'Reckless Life'))", but he was in great mood, didn't stop moving around and smiling. The omission of Knockin' On Heaven's Door was an unpleasant surprise. 2. https://www.baerntoday.ch/bern/stadt-bern/axl-und-slash-gaben-drei-stunden-lang-alles-152360420 Positive, mostly relying on comments from fans (translated headline reads: "Axl and Slash gave it their all for three hours"). Some complaints about the organizers. 3. https://www.nau.ch/ort/bern/guns-nroses-konzert-45-minuten-warten-auf-ein-bier-66538190 Same as above, more focused on the organization (translated excerpt reads: "Almost everyone agrees on one thing after yesterday's concert: Guns N'Roses with singer Axl Rose (61) and star guitarist Slash (57) put on a great show in Bern. For a good three hours, the old rockers gave it their all - and delighted the local audience." 4. https://www.derbund.ch/hoehen-und-tiefen-und-viel-arbeit-fuer-den-tontechniker-227813656974 Article behind paywall. Seems like a mixed review. Auto-translated headline and caption read: "Ups and downs and a lot of work for the sound engineer. Luckily it's not self-parody. The concert of the once biggest rock band in the world wasn't that bad." "The voice held - to some extent: singer Axl Rose did not disappoint in Bern. Guitarist Slash was masterful as always." 5. https://www.tagblatt.ch/kultur/konzert-guns-nroses-in-bern-selbst-die-truemmerstimme-kann-die-tollen-songs-nicht-zerstoeren-ld.2484645?reduced=true Also behind a paywall and mixed (critical of Axl's "rough vocals"). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Pictures provided by GN'R to some of the articles above: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 58 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Pictures provided by GN'R to some of the articles above: I prefered the old red robe.... it is horrible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowza! Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/6/2023 at 4:36 PM, Coma16 said: I think you mean trickery 😉 He means conjury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost un the jungle Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 7:46 PM, VeeR said: 5:11 Axl belting out those notes by 2023 standards this was f%$*king good!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 10:43 PM, kanecrescente said: Fucking bullshit. I'd say not bullshit!https://youtu.be/JJbmZs0gbUw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanecrescente Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, Mickey said: I'd say not bullshit!https://youtu.be/JJbmZs0gbUw I was more expressing my frustration that I didn't get twat Nor locomotive at the gnr shows I attended 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 4 hours ago, lost un the jungle said: by 2023 standards this was f%$*king good!!! Enjoyed it too! AXLs effort this tour has been heartening! Clearly being into it and in a good mood makes a big difference! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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