THE GENERAL - MONSTERS - Official Discussion Thread. NO LINKS OR ASKING FOR LINKS

[Miden34]

2 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Where’s the post about the meta data being in 2006?

 

2 hours ago, Miden34 said:

 

they are both digital leaks, not from the vinyl. someone release the generals original demo, then release the general (and monsters) the finished product with it. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Miden34

[Dani_1455]

Well if this confirms to be true, the leaked version of Monsters is someone trying to copy Slash style for sure and we will have different versions of a song which is always good

[Miden34]

Hell even 44.1kHz isnt possible to rip from vinyl

[Coma16]

4 minutes ago, Miden34 said:

Its was a gentleman  who made a video talking about the leaks and the authenticity of them. So i checked out the song and i could for sure find the 48.1kHz. i didnt see a 2006 date myself. but again, the audio quilty CAN NOT be ripped that high from a vinyl. 

 

The highest frequency recorded will depend on the track velocity and the size of the needle. Mechanically then, LPs cannot record much beyond 10 kHz without using a smaller-than-standard stylus. In fact the cutoff of frequencies recorded today is around 24 kHz.

they are both leaks, not from the vinyl. someone release the generals original demo, then release the general (and monsters) the finished product with it. 

"Monsters" is soooo different (imo at least) to The General.

[Miden34]

Just now, Coma16 said:

"Monsters" is soooo different (imo at least) to The General.

and if it was rewritten by slash and duff it should be

[Coma16]

Just now, Miden34 said:

and if it was rewritten by slash and duff it should be

What about the lyrics?

[AxlRoseCDII]

7 minutes ago, Miden34 said:

Its was a gentleman  who made a video talking about the leaks and the authenticity of them. So i checked out the song and i could for sure find the 48.1kHz. i didnt see a 2006 date myself. but again, the audio quilty CAN NOT be ripped that high from a vinyl. 

 

The highest frequency recorded will depend on the track velocity and the size of the needle. Mechanically then, LPs cannot record much beyond 10 kHz without using a smaller-than-standard stylus. In fact the cutoff of frequencies recorded today is around 24 kHz.

they are both digital leaks, not from the vinyl. someone release the generals original demo, then release the general (and monsters) the finished product with it. 

Well, maybe then it’s someone who got the NITL mixes.

There are many people, multiple who are musicians and guitarists, saying they swear on their life and are 1000% sure it’s Slash, etc. I’m inclined to believe them because these are users who have been around awhile and have no real reason to lie. And it doesn’t sound like any other CD guitarist to me. Not Finck, not Bucket, definitely not Bumble or Ashba. Besides maybe the end of Monsters which is probably Fortus. If it’s not Slash, which it’s pretty clear it is, then who?

Edited November 1, 2023 by AxlRoseCDII

[kitstuai]

7 minutes ago, Miden34 said:

Its was a gentleman  who made a video talking about the leaks and the authenticity of them. So i checked out the song and i could for sure find the 48.1kHz. i didnt see a 2006 date myself. but again, the audio quilty CAN NOT be ripped that high from a vinyl. 

 

The highest frequency recorded will depend on the track velocity and the size of the needle. Mechanically then, LPs cannot record much beyond 10 kHz without using a smaller-than-standard stylus. In fact the cutoff of frequencies recorded today is around 24 kHz.

they are both leaks, not from the vinyl. someone release the generals original demo, then release the general (and monsters) the finished product with it. 

You are confusing frequency range with sample rate 

[Miden34]

Just now, Coma16 said:

What about the lyrics?

who knows. all im saying, is the general is an old demo, and monsters is the only song we get on the vinyl. whether they rename it to The General (And monsters) i dont know but everything on their offfcial sites is "The General". So im pretty positive we only get Monsters. cause its the finished general. 

2 minutes ago, kitstuai said:

You are confusing frequency range with sample rate 

its to high to have been from vinyl. enough said. thats just a fact

[Miden34]

3 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Well, maybe then it’s someone who got the NITL mixes.

There are many people, multiple who are musicians and guitarists, saying they swear on their life and are 1000% sure it’s Slash, etc. I’m inclined to believe them because these are users who have been around awhile and have no real reason to lie. And it doesn’t sound like any other CD guitarist to me. Not Finck, not Bucket, definitely not Bumble or Ashba. Besides maybe the end of Monsters which is probably Fortus. If it’s not Slash, which it’s pretty clear it is, then who?

i haze ZERO reason to lie and i was on NewGnr back in the mid 00s so i know my shit. 

[Coma16]

1 minute ago, Miden34 said:

who knows. all im saying, is the general is an old demo, and monsters is the only song we get on the vinyl. whether they rename it to The General (And monsters) i dont know but everything on their offfcial sites is "The General". So im pretty positive we only get Monsters. cause its the finished general. 

Or we get an updated The General, and we get this version of Monsters on the next 7" / EP / LP

[BreakDown2014]

To my ears both songs sound like they have similar production to Perhaps. Same clipping issues and similar layering, specially Monsters. I hope the official releases sound better 

[Mustard Tiger]

I don't think the possibility of these being vinyl rips can be ruled out based on them being 44.1kHz. It's technically very possible. When a vinyl is ripped the output file format will be whatever the user chooses. There is nothing preventing a vinyl rip being saved as a 44bit/96kHz FLAC, in fact it's quite common. 

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-digitise-your-vinyl-collection

[AxlRoseCDII]

1 minute ago, Miden34 said:

i haze ZERO reason to lie and i was on NewGnr back in the mid 00s so i know my shit. 

I’m not saying you have any reason to lie at all. I apologize if it came off that way. However, more people than not who also had no reason to lie are saying in mass that it’s Slash, versus a handful of people who disagree, so it’s easier to trust the majority opinion here.

If you’re right, you’re right, but I’m not seeing the proof currently. But I will at least say if you’re correct about the quality then it’s an internal leaker and not a vinyl rip.

[Miden34]

1 minute ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I’m not saying you have any reason to lie at all. I apologize if it came off that way. However, more people than not who also had no reason to lie are saying in mass that it’s Slash, versus a handful of people who disagree, so it’s easier to trust the majority opinion here.

If you’re right, you’re right, but I’m not seeing the proof currently. But I will at least say if you’re correct about the quality then it’s an internal leaker and not a vinyl rip.

I appreciate that i didnt take your comment before the wrong way you're all good my friend. 

3 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

I don't think the possibility of these being vinyl rips can be ruled out based on them being 44.1kHz. It's technically very possible. When a vinyl is ripped the output file format will be whatever the user chooses. There is nothing preventing a vinyl rip being saved as a 44bit/96kHz FLAC, in fact it's quite common. 

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-digitise-your-vinyl-collection

I 1000% confident in what i said and that the leaks ARE NOT from vinyl and we DO NOT EVER get the general in the form we got. we get monsters as the general

[kitstuai]

9 minutes ago, Miden34 said:

its to high to have been from vinyl. enough said. thats just a fact

The facts? Sample rates (44.1 / 48 / 96 etc) are used during the digital to analog convertion process

Vinyl is 100% analog, what do you want to sample? 
 

you can "rip" a vinyl to 48Khz, but the default setting for every audio unit is 44.1 because 48 is mostly used with sound + image, so there's no chance the vinyl is ripped to 48Khz
 

anyway there are no vinyl noises or crackle and that's enought to say it's not from it

Edited November 1, 2023 by kitstuai

[Miden34]

1 minute ago, kitstuai said:

The facts? Sample rates (44.1 / 48 / 96 etc) are used during the digital to analog convertion process

Vinyl is 100% analog, what do you want to sample? 
 

you can "rip" a vinyl to 48Khz, but the default setting for every audio unit is 44.1 because 48 is mostly used with sound + image, so there's no chance the vinyl is ripped to 48Khz
 

anyway there are no vinyl noises or crackle and that's enought to say it's not from it

I 1000% confident in what i said and that the leaks ARE NOT from vinyl and we DO NOT EVER get the general in the form we got. we get monsters as the general

[Rindmelon]

Just run it through spek

[Wabby]

5 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I’m not saying you have any reason to lie at all. I apologize if it came off that way. However, more people than not who also had no reason to lie are saying in mass that it’s Slash, versus a handful of people who disagree, so it’s easier to trust the majority opinion here.

If you’re right, you’re right, but I’m not seeing the proof currently. But I will at least say if you’re correct about the quality then it’s an internal leaker and not a vinyl rip.

I’m no expert on guitarists at all either, but if you played the original intro to Hard Skool to me back in the day, the bluesy metal sound I would 100% thought it was Slash, but maybe that’s just me

[Miden34]

1 minute ago, Wabby said:

I’m no expert on guitarists at all either, but if you played the original intro to Hard Skool to me back in the day, the bluesy metal sound I would 100% thought it was Slash, but maybe that’s just me

i said the same thing about devious bastards. the bass is also very duff

[bmus1]

That Monsters solo sounds more like Slash than Perhaps and Absurd. Not that those don't, but if you listen to Promise or Gotten from his solo album, the vocabulary he uses there is so similar to the parts he came up with on Monsters.

[Free Bird]

28 minutes ago, Miden34 said:

the thing is, they werent from the vinyl. at least the general for sure wasnt. the audio was ripped at 48.1kHz MUCH higher than vinyl quality would have been and i dont even know if its possible to rip or record audio from vinyl that high.. so the general was proven not to be from the vinyl. at least the general was. so it isnt opinion there is some facts behind it. like the meta data showing the general mp3 was originally created in 2006. so there is just so many reasons i KNOW the general is not gonna be on the vinyl. its a VERY old demo

Yeah , it's very old. From 1971

[Miden34]

1 minute ago, Free Bird said:

Yeah , it's very old. From 1971

now if someone wants to poo poo on my ideas, take this gentleman as a template on how to do that xD love you bud. 

[Blackstar]

15 minutes ago, Miden34 said:

I 1000% confident in what i said and that the leaks ARE NOT from vinyl and we DO NOT EVER get the general in the form we got. we get monsters as the general

I have bookmarked this.

[Miden34]

Just now, Blackstar said:

I have bookmarked this.

Good M***er F***a  xD if im wrong i'll eat ass like a man.