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Raz Cue - An Open Letter To Duff McKagan

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2 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

Don't Cry was my song and Desi Benjamin is a friend of mine that put out a documentary about our scene.  I did Hate those stupid shorts and wished that I could have told him that! I never blew smoke up Axls Ass! I always told him what, I thought. Someone had to. 

That's (his shorts) really not @BlueJean Baby's point though, and this is exactly what bothers me. You seem to very selectively respond and/or manipulate the response to a point where it completely goes off topic. Why? I mean, I got a pretty good idea as to why, but still...

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1 minute ago, Little Michelle said:

Rude! Very useless and cruel! Hope it makes ya feel better about yourself. 

there have been many people on the forums over the years.

some real, some impersonators.

some truthful, some bullshxxers.

some sane, some unsane. (i think most of them stayed) 

don't take it all to seriously.

 

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Just now, Minche said:

That's (his shorts) really not @BlueJean Baby's point though, and this is exactly what bothers me. You seem to very selectively respond and/or manipulate the response to a point where it completely goes off topic. Why? I mean, I got a pretty good idea as to why, but still...

I just explained that YES those were my comments to my Friend Desi Benjamin who made that documentary. I mentioned the shorts in that comment, so yes I mention those stupid shorts again in this comment. What are you trying to prove? That I commented on GNR stuff so I'm a fan? Actually I Loved them, that is why I kept my mouth shut! So they could have a chance . Anything else? 

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1 minute ago, Little Michelle said:

I just explained that YES those were my comments to my Friend Desi Benjamin who made that documentary. I mentioned the shorts in that comment, so yes I mention those stupid shorts again in this comment. What are you trying to prove? That I commented on GNR stuff so I'm a fan? Actually I Loved them, that is why I kept my mouth shut! So they could have a chance . Anything else? 

I know, I know. Thing is , theres a bigger post of yours telling us how seeing Gn'r or their merch hurts you.. You sound like a walking, talking contradiction at the moment. Sorry, but it's what it is. 

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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I was curious as to who else was involved in this alleged incident? I asked a question above regarding it that you might not have seen? You mentioned on here that everyone was passed out, but in a previous statement elsewhere said others got actively involved in the alleged rape? 

Obviously that's a hugely important thing to clarify. 

I did clarify a bit ago. In the studio Izzy was passed out, Mary was passed out, there were two guys I didn't know and had never seen, and one friend of Duff's from Seattle  

I couldn't see very well due to being thrown into a room the size of a closet and being held down. Axl ass in my face made I thought difficult to see who was shoving there forI needs into me! Hope that helps! 

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40 minutes ago, donny said:

here in the uk with male on female issues the female no longer has a choice whether to press charges or not, the police decide that. and for many good reasons.

Same in the US. Even in 1985. 

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47 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

From duffs book the pnly other women were mandy and linda who he was married to. From duffs book he wrote he was the one that made the mistake with mandy,  but with linda when duff got sober was because they had nothing in common anymore. Or am i missing something?.

Yes, she was replying to me asking her about saying that Axl practically cried every time she saw him for years after.

*I see this has been answered already*

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1 minute ago, Minche said:

I know, I know. Thing is , theres a bigger post of yours telling us how seeing Gn'r or their merch hurts you.. You sound like a walking, talking contradiction at the moment. Sorry, but it's what it is. 

It is absolutely hard and torturous! Just because I listen to Don't Cry and sob my fucking eyes out and comment on a friends post doesn't make me a contradiction! You have absolutely no idea what this is like and maybe you should leave it alone.  I don't know what I expected in here. I just wanted to know what you all were saying and help she'd light on this. That isn't working very well. It's okay! I realize that people like you will never understand. There are fans on here that are awesome! Also some that are cruel and hateful. 

3 minutes ago, Kwick1 said:

Same in the US. Even in 1985. Nope

 

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8 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

It is absolutely hard and torturous! Just because I listen to Don't Cry and sob my fucking eyes out and comment on a friends post doesn't make me a contradiction! You have absolutely no idea what this is like and maybe you should leave it alone.  I don't know what I expected in here. I just wanted to know what you all were saying and help she'd light on this. That isn't working very well. It's okay! I realize that people like you will never understand. There are fans on here that are awesome! Also some that are cruel and hateful. 

 

Nah, it just appears suspicious to others because you stated how difficult it is hearing GNR songs on the radio or seeing Axl's face in the media. Yet a couple years ago, you willingly posted videos on social media and sought out GNR posts to comment on. And now suddenly there's a book/podcast you're promoting, right?

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4 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

It is absolutely hard and torturous! Just because I listen to Don't Cry and sob my fucking eyes out and comment on a friends post doesn't make me a contradiction! You have absolutely no idea what this is like and maybe you should leave it alone.  I don't know what I expected in here. I just wanted to know what you all were saying and help she'd light on this. That isn't working very well. It's okay! I realize that people like you will never understand. There are fans on here that are awesome! Also some that are cruel and hateful. 

 

People like us will never understand? You have no idea who you're talking to. And yes, in criminal cases it's not up to the victim to prosecute. In a large number the victim ends up not wanting to testify particularly in rape cases but that did not stop the state from prosecuting if there was evidence. 

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1 minute ago, Little Michelle said:

It is absolutely hard and torturous! Just because I listen to Don't Cry and sob my fucking eyes out and comment on a friends post doesn't make me a contradiction! You have absolutely no idea what this is like and maybe you should leave it alone.  I don't know what I expected in here. I just wanted to know what you all were saying and help she'd light on this. That isn't working very well. It's okay! I realize that people like you will never understand. There are fans on here that are awesome! Also some that are cruel and hateful. 

You are right. I can't understand all the contradiction regarding you or your post. It defies logic. 

However, you shouldn't start implying I'm cruel or hateful. I've done nothing hurtful to you. I'm merely having a conversation and questioning you on the simplest things. Your (angry) reaction answers a lot, though.

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Just now, Minche said:

You are right. I can't understand all the contradiction regarding you or your post. It defies logic. 

However, you shouldn't start implying I'm cruel or hateful. I've done nothing hurtful to you. I'm merely having a conversation and questioning you on the simplest things. Your (angry) reaction answers a lot, though.

Amen! Out of reactions 

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1 minute ago, Kwick1 said:

Amen! Out of reactions 

Lol same. Hate it. We need that reaction limit either increased or removed!  

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10 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

  I don't know what I expected in here. I just wanted to know what you all were saying and help she'd light on this. That isn't working very well. It's okay! I realize that people like you will never understand. There are fans on here that are awesome! Also some that are cruel and hateful. 

 

Don't let it bother you. This is actually quite non confrontational for some people here. It's been way worse with others (this is the internet after all) You said your side and explained it very well. There is no need to explain every little detail to people who care nothing for you. Take comfort that your side is out there! You need only to respond to those whom you choose.

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3 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Right but literally no one has said that, ever, in any way. Not even implied it. So the hyperbole of your joke doesn't make any sense. 

There is zero evidence of this very serious and confusing accusation. Until there's at least some evidence I'm not going to even consider joining any mob mentality on the internet recklessly deciding that; 35years ago right as a young Axl's career was taking off he brutally gangraped a 15yrld girl as revenge for having a miscarriage.

I know that Axl was/is a mental cunt but I think anyone(total strangers on the internet no less) who is prepared to just blindly decide that based on nothing is deciding to be a bit mental themselves.

This kind of thing is a matter for therapists, lawyers and police - not MyWildSpeculationForum.com

I'm not taking a stand for or against. I simply take a shot at Rose when the opportunity presents itself. The hyperbole is intended to take the piss out of people questioning Michelle's story/credibility and saying it lacks plausibility while in the same breath ostensibly defending Rose, a known abuser of women. For an example of the right way to assess both sides in a respectful and neutral way, see Blackstar's recent posts.

3 hours ago, Minche said:

I'd just like to add that all of the alleged witnesses she mentioned were umm.. passed out. 🙄 Yet somehow, some find it far easier to believe that story, than to take ones presumption of innocence in consideration, at the very least. The whole #believethevictim (with no tangible evidence) thing is just a bit too much. Yet, ill be called insensitive or whatever,  for simply wanting a piece of evidence that would actually stick in court. 

Respectfully, so what if the alleged witnesses were passed out? It's not plausible that people hanging out in a place called "Hell House" would be drunk/high to the point of passing out? It was literally a den of hedonism - I'd be surprised if anyone remembered anything 35 years later given the amount of booze and drugs that flowed through there.  Is there a possibility that Axl is innocent? Sure. Is it likely given his track record? 

And what evidence would be sufficient 30+ years after the fact? A DNA sample on her clothing that was torn off? Izzy remembering Michelle's rape and calling out Axl and Duff publicly? Even if he does remember - is it likely that he would go on the public record about it? If Michelle is telling the truth, I suspect the people who know about this situation will most likely stay silent and avoid any unwanted scrutiny.

3 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Your contributions to almost any discussion on this forum is strictly for bottom feeders. There are many on this Earth will state Axl music has greatly helped ease their pain. You? Doubtful you make much of an impact on this Earth. 

For sure, aside from Stephanie and Erin probably.

Love you too sugarplums. :heart:

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3 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

Don't let it bother you. This is actually quite non confrontational for some people here. It's been way worse with others (this is the internet after all) You said your side and explained it very well. There is no need to explain every little detail to people who care nothing for you. Take comfort that your side is out there! You need only to respond to those whom you choose.

I don't see too much confontation - just people asking perfectly valid questions of someone who arrives at a forum alleging some very serious crimes. Presumably her reason for arriving here was to answer questions and put her point of view across? 

"You only need to respond to those whom you choose" - the Donald Trump method! Probably not a great idea, all considered! 

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I don’t know why people would take a couple social media posts as some glaring contradiction.

If you love someone, love their friends, they dedicate a song to you, get you pregnant and assault you before you’re old enough to drive... I mean that’s a complicated relationship. It’s messy. If you’re convinced she’s trying to cash in that’s your prerogative but we all know Axl’s extensive mental health and therapy journey... I mean you need to work through your shit. 

How did Axl feel when his family tried to rewrite the history of his abuse? Check the rant videos on YouTube. 

(Edit: My reference to a song is Don’t Cry, which she apparently has a relationship to, not that it really matters to the broader point).

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41 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

I did clarify a bit ago. In the studio Izzy was passed out, Mary was passed out, there were two guys I didn't know and had never seen, and one friend of Duff's from Seattle  

I couldn't see very well due to being thrown into a room the size of a closet and being held down. Axl ass in my face made I thought difficult to see who was shoving there forI needs into me! Hope that helps! 

You say Izzy was the only other GN'R member there, and you don't know the people who assaulted you, other than Axl and a friend of Duff's. Can you please tell us why Slash was charged if he was not involved then?

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One more time....she is not the girl My Michelle was written about. They are two different people. 

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14 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I don't see too much confontation - just people asking perfectly valid questions of someone who arrives at a forum alleging some very serious crimes. Presumably her reason for arriving here was to answer questions and put her point of view across? 

"You only need to respond to those whom you choose" - the Donald Trump method! Probably not a great idea, all considered! 

I don't think you understand English very well. I said this conversation was quite non confrontational, compared to others Ive seen here. Why should she be harassed and be accused of lying? I believe her. I wouldn't even respond to anyone being rude to me, why should she? So You need to check yourself, because you are a nobody.

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9 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

You say Izzy was the only other GN'R member there, and you don't know the people who assaulted you, other than Axl and a friend of Duff's. Can you please tell us why Slash was charged if he was not involved then?

From what I understand from the second Raz Cue piece, that was another incident with another girl? The "Dio boots" one?

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