**FAQ UPDATE IN FIRST POST 6/16** Guns N' Roses Appetite For Democracy 3D Concert Film/DVD/Blu-Ray

[Nosaj Thing]

If RockFuel said "original" members, surely they are referring to Rob Gardener and Ole Beich, right?!

Mods -- can you confirm this?

[Coma16]

Okay, if this movie and dvd is about the new GNR, then what the hell does Duff and Slash have to do with it's release?

Sorry, but I don't understand how either one of them can stop a new GNR movie/dvd from being shown in theatres or sold in stores, if it doesn't include footage of the original members?

Well, at least Axl isn't getting blamed for it.

Because the members of Axl's band are performing some of the songs Axl, Slash and Duff co-wrote and had songwriting credits for. They need to agree on that, otherwise it can't be released.

I'm just trying to remember what I've read before so I might be wrong. You can always ask your son about it, maybe he can help.

I don't know if someone should "blame" Axl for this. All I know is that if he and Slash would be in good terms, nothing like this would happen.

Why won't Axl Rose just write some new songs without Slash and Duff, and play them???

Good point!!!!!!

Do we know that this is a Slash and Duff issue? NOT saying that it isn't, but didn't the message just say original member's reps? That could mean Izzy. Or Axl. Or Adler. It could be an issue with how the songs are credited on the booklet that comes with the DVD. Before people start laying blame on Slash for this, maybe we should wait for the actual facts to come out?

Coma - I think a competent management team would have handled all the contractual stuff BEFORE this far in the process. If this was a one time thing I'd understand your defense of TB, but how many issues like this come up with so many different GnR related items before you have to start laying the blame of the pattern on somebody. Album release dates, music video releases, movie theatre releases, tour dates, dvd releases.......almost every time something new comes up with GnR it ends up being a cluster-F. I follow a lot of other bands and when news leaks about them and their upcoming plans, 99% of the time things go smoothly and you end up with the final product. But with GnR.........just look how long this DVD thing is dragging on.

I'm not "hating" bro, I'm just disappointed.

I want Axl and GnR to succeed as much as anybody on this forum. I'm the guy who wishes Axl would release a box set this year with 4-5 albums worth of new music. I'd pay $500 today for that box set.

It just gets tiring to see this kind of thing continually happen. Heck, their ex original drummer, with all the problems he has had, is able to release albums. The follow up drummer just released a solo album!!! Slash has released like six albums since leaving GnR. Duff is able to release albums even though they barely sell.

How is it humanly possible that Adler is able to release more material than Axl?????

TB only took over the band mid-2011.

[Bards]

we cannot comment, except the matter is being resolved with reps of original members.. more to come.

Oh FFS. How do you not have shit like that taken care of by this point?

"Thanks again, Team Brazil."

[D-GenerationX]

What a crock of utter shit they're copping out this out on Slash and Duff too. This shit was announced a year ago. What kinda "professional management" can't sort this shit out in a YEAR? And on top of that, isn't it a bit unprofessional not to have all your legal Is and Ts dotted and crossed before setting shit up? Yeah, I thought so too.

It's a valid question.

[Nosaj Thing]

I honestly feel bad for Rock Fuel.

You guys did the best you can but things are handled this way in the Gn'R world.

[D-GenerationX]

I honestly feel bad for Rock Fuel.

You guys did the best you can but things are handled this way in the Gn'R world.

Yet you bring this stuff up and you get, "problems? what problems?"

GNR's and Axl's reputation is dogshit for a reason. Theirs is a scorched earth policy.

[Cosmo]

I'm officially convinced there will never be another release under the Guns N' Roses name. This is now a touring act that play songs made by other musicians for money. And the worst part is this moron here bought tickets to three shows from their upcoming tour and is therefore supporting this joke.

[ColdHeartBreaker]

What's going on?

It's all Slash and duffs fault!

Edited March 12, 2014 by ColdHeartBreaker

[Ali]

Okay, if this movie and dvd is about the new GNR, then what the hell does Duff and Slash have to do with it's release?

Sorry, but I don't understand how either one of them can stop a new GNR movie/dvd from being shown in theatres or sold in stores, if it doesn't include footage of the original members?

Well, at least Axl isn't getting blamed for it.

Because the members of Axl's band are performing some of the songs Axl, Slash and Duff co-wrote and had songwriting credits for. They need to agree on that, otherwise it can't be released.

I'm just trying to remember what I've read before so I might be wrong. You can always ask your son about it, maybe he can help.

I don't know if someone should "blame" Axl for this. All I know is that if he and Slash would be in good terms, nothing like this would happen.

Why won't Axl Rose just write some new songs without Slash and Duff, and play them???

Good point!!!!!!

Do we know that this is a Slash and Duff issue? NOT saying that it isn't, but didn't the message just say original member's reps? That could mean Izzy. Or Axl. Or Adler. It could be an issue with how the songs are credited on the booklet that comes with the DVD. Before people start laying blame on Slash for this, maybe we should wait for the actual facts to come out?

Coma - I think a competent management team would have handled all the contractual stuff BEFORE this far in the process. If this was a one time thing I'd understand your defense of TB, but how many issues like this come up with so many different GnR related items before you have to start laying the blame of the pattern on somebody. Album release dates, music video releases, movie theatre releases, tour dates, dvd releases.......almost every time something new comes up with GnR it ends up being a cluster-F. I follow a lot of other bands and when news leaks about them and their upcoming plans, 99% of the time things go smoothly and you end up with the final product. But with GnR.........just look how long this DVD thing is dragging on.

I'm not "hating" bro, I'm just disappointed.

I want Axl and GnR to succeed as much as anybody on this forum. I'm the guy who wishes Axl would release a box set this year with 4-5 albums worth of new music. I'd pay $500 today for that box set.

It just gets tiring to see this kind of thing continually happen. Heck, their ex original drummer, with all the problems he has had, is able to release albums. The follow up drummer just released a solo album!!! Slash has released like six albums since leaving GnR. Duff is able to release albums even though they barely sell.

How is it humanly possible that Adler is able to release more material than Axl?????

TB only took over the band mid-2011.

It was later than that. Peter Katsis managed the band at the start of the 2011 NA tour.

Ali

[Guest NGOG]

So the problems have actually been raised by old GNR. Just goes to show, it's not always as simple as you'd like to think.

[NachoLZ]

See guys, Axl is not the baaaad one

When I look in to your page,

I can see a DVD restrained, ohh damn

But Rockfuel when I soon you, dont you know i feel the same,

Cuz nothing lasts forever,

And we both know Slash can plead

And its hard to hold a release date

In the cold Rockfuel rain

[slashofvr]

I blame major league baseball!

[ThinkAboutYou]

Okay, if this movie and dvd is about the new GNR, then what the hell does Duff and Slash have to do with it's release?

Sorry, but I don't understand how either one of them can stop a new GNR movie/dvd from being shown in theatres or sold in stores, if it doesn't include footage of the original members?

Well, at least Axl isn't getting blamed for it.

Because the members of Axl's band are performing some of the songs Axl, Slash and Duff co-wrote and had songwriting credits for. They need to agree on that, otherwise it can't be released.

I'm just trying to remember what I've read before so I might be wrong. You can always ask your son about it, maybe he can help.

I don't know if someone should "blame" Axl for this. All I know is that if he and Slash would be in good terms, nothing like this would happen.

Why won't Axl Rose just write some new songs without Slash and Duff, and play them???

Good point!!!!!!

Do we know that this is a Slash and Duff issue? NOT saying that it isn't, but didn't the message just say original member's reps? That could mean Izzy. Or Axl. Or Adler. It could be an issue with how the songs are credited on the booklet that comes with the DVD. Before people start laying blame on Slash for this, maybe we should wait for the actual facts to come out?

Coma - I think a competent management team would have handled all the contractual stuff BEFORE this far in the process. If this was a one time thing I'd understand your defense of TB, but how many issues like this come up with so many different GnR related items before you have to start laying the blame of the pattern on somebody. Album release dates, music video releases, movie theatre releases, tour dates, dvd releases.......almost every time something new comes up with GnR it ends up being a cluster-F. I follow a lot of other bands and when news leaks about them and their upcoming plans, 99% of the time things go smoothly and you end up with the final product. But with GnR.........just look how long this DVD thing is dragging on.

I'm not "hating" bro, I'm just disappointed.

I want Axl and GnR to succeed as much as anybody on this forum. I'm the guy who wishes Axl would release a box set this year with 4-5 albums worth of new music. I'd pay $500 today for that box set.

It just gets tiring to see this kind of thing continually happen. Heck, their ex original drummer, with all the problems he has had, is able to release albums. The follow up drummer just released a solo album!!! Slash has released like six albums since leaving GnR. Duff is able to release albums even though they barely sell.

How is it humanly possible that Adler is able to release more material than Axl?????

TB only took over the band mid-2011.

It was later than that. Peter Katsis managed the band at the start of the 2011 NA tour.

Ali

Team Brazil have been with Axl since the start of New GNR just because they weren't official management doesn't mean jack

I see it like this management + Team Brazil making decisions from 01/01/01 till 2011 and now Team Brazil are full management

Saying that Team Brazil are nice people I don't know the reason behind all the screw-ups but I wish the failures didn't happen

Edited March 12, 2014 by ThinkAboutYou

[Ali]

Okay, if this movie and dvd is about the new GNR, then what the hell does Duff and Slash have to do with it's release?

Sorry, but I don't understand how either one of them can stop a new GNR movie/dvd from being shown in theatres or sold in stores, if it doesn't include footage of the original members?

Well, at least Axl isn't getting blamed for it.

Because the members of Axl's band are performing some of the songs Axl, Slash and Duff co-wrote and had songwriting credits for. They need to agree on that, otherwise it can't be released.

I'm just trying to remember what I've read before so I might be wrong. You can always ask your son about it, maybe he can help.

I don't know if someone should "blame" Axl for this. All I know is that if he and Slash would be in good terms, nothing like this would happen.

Why won't Axl Rose just write some new songs without Slash and Duff, and play them???

Good point!!!!!!

Do we know that this is a Slash and Duff issue? NOT saying that it isn't, but didn't the message just say original member's reps? That could mean Izzy. Or Axl. Or Adler. It could be an issue with how the songs are credited on the booklet that comes with the DVD. Before people start laying blame on Slash for this, maybe we should wait for the actual facts to come out?

Coma - I think a competent management team would have handled all the contractual stuff BEFORE this far in the process. If this was a one time thing I'd understand your defense of TB, but how many issues like this come up with so many different GnR related items before you have to start laying the blame of the pattern on somebody. Album release dates, music video releases, movie theatre releases, tour dates, dvd releases.......almost every time something new comes up with GnR it ends up being a cluster-F. I follow a lot of other bands and when news leaks about them and their upcoming plans, 99% of the time things go smoothly and you end up with the final product. But with GnR.........just look how long this DVD thing is dragging on.

I'm not "hating" bro, I'm just disappointed.

I want Axl and GnR to succeed as much as anybody on this forum. I'm the guy who wishes Axl would release a box set this year with 4-5 albums worth of new music. I'd pay $500 today for that box set.

It just gets tiring to see this kind of thing continually happen. Heck, their ex original drummer, with all the problems he has had, is able to release albums. The follow up drummer just released a solo album!!! Slash has released like six albums since leaving GnR. Duff is able to release albums even though they barely sell.

How is it humanly possible that Adler is able to release more material than Axl?????

TB only took over the band mid-2011.

It was later than that. Peter Katsis managed the band at the start of the 2011 NA tour.

Ali

Team Brazil have been with Axl since the start of New GNR just because they weren't official management doesn't mean jack

I see it like this management + Team Brazil making decisions from 01/01/01 till 2011 and now full management

Saying that Team Brazil are nice people I don't know the reason behind all the screw-ups but I wish the failures didn't happen

Sure it does. You said yourself the management team, be it Merck, Doc McGhee, etc. were involved in the advising process from the management side for GN'R before. Now, since they are not just working for Axl, and are managing Guns N' Roses, they along are involved in the management of the band. That is two different scenarios.

Regardless, that wasn't my point. My point was they did not take over official management duties until after the start of the 2011 NA tour.

Ali

[bacardimayne]

Always thought this would be an issue with an official live DVD that featured the old songs.

[Coma16]

I blame major league baseball!

This made me lol. Only in GNR land hahaha

[ThinkAboutYou]

Okay, if this movie and dvd is about the new GNR, then what the hell does Duff and Slash have to do with it's release?

Sorry, but I don't understand how either one of them can stop a new GNR movie/dvd from being shown in theatres or sold in stores, if it doesn't include footage of the original members?

Well, at least Axl isn't getting blamed for it.

Because the members of Axl's band are performing some of the songs Axl, Slash and Duff co-wrote and had songwriting credits for. They need to agree on that, otherwise it can't be released.

I'm just trying to remember what I've read before so I might be wrong. You can always ask your son about it, maybe he can help.

I don't know if someone should "blame" Axl for this. All I know is that if he and Slash would be in good terms, nothing like this would happen.

Why won't Axl Rose just write some new songs without Slash and Duff, and play them???

Good point!!!!!!

Do we know that this is a Slash and Duff issue? NOT saying that it isn't, but didn't the message just say original member's reps? That could mean Izzy. Or Axl. Or Adler. It could be an issue with how the songs are credited on the booklet that comes with the DVD. Before people start laying blame on Slash for this, maybe we should wait for the actual facts to come out?

Coma - I think a competent management team would have handled all the contractual stuff BEFORE this far in the process. If this was a one time thing I'd understand your defense of TB, but how many issues like this come up with so many different GnR related items before you have to start laying the blame of the pattern on somebody. Album release dates, music video releases, movie theatre releases, tour dates, dvd releases.......almost every time something new comes up with GnR it ends up being a cluster-F. I follow a lot of other bands and when news leaks about them and their upcoming plans, 99% of the time things go smoothly and you end up with the final product. But with GnR.........just look how long this DVD thing is dragging on.

I'm not "hating" bro, I'm just disappointed.

I want Axl and GnR to succeed as much as anybody on this forum. I'm the guy who wishes Axl would release a box set this year with 4-5 albums worth of new music. I'd pay $500 today for that box set.

It just gets tiring to see this kind of thing continually happen. Heck, their ex original drummer, with all the problems he has had, is able to release albums. The follow up drummer just released a solo album!!! Slash has released like six albums since leaving GnR. Duff is able to release albums even though they barely sell.

How is it humanly possible that Adler is able to release more material than Axl?????

TB only took over the band mid-2011.

It was later than that. Peter Katsis managed the band at the start of the 2011 NA tour.

Ali

Team Brazil have been with Axl since the start of New GNR just because they weren't official management doesn't mean jack

I see it like this management + Team Brazil making decisions from 01/01/01 till 2011 and now full management

Saying that Team Brazil are nice people I don't know the reason behind all the screw-ups but I wish the failures didn't happen

Sure it does. You said yourself the management team, be it Merck, Doc McGhee, etc. were involved in the advising process from the management side for GN'R before. Now, since they are not just working for Axl, and are managing Guns N' Roses, they along are involved in the management of the band. That is two different scenarios.

Regardless, that wasn't my point. My point was they did not take over official management duties until after the start of the 2011 NA tour.

Ali

official or not Team Brazil have always had influence from start of New GNR

[ThinkAboutYou]

I could also see it being the same issue as with the made in stoke DVD but shouldn't most of the important paperwork be signed off on before cinema dates/release dates being announced?

[Mansin Humanity]

thanks obama

[maynard]

So this is on hold for now?

Shouldn't they deal with licensing and stuff like that before spending the time and money to make it? What were they thinking? Axl blocked a Slash DVD in the US. Slash is paying in the same coin, and I support his decision 100% IN CASE he is the one behind it.

[bacardimayne]

Slash blocks Axl's DVD release in another trademark display of slimy passive aggressiveness

Right up there with acting like the big man in interviews and going on to write petty little coded songs about Axl.

Or no, maybe it was Duff, Izzy or Steven.

Except, Duff and Izzy are cool with Axl, and Steven needs the royalty money.

Use your heads, people.

[GUNNER PT]

Waitin' for an old school rant in the next show ...

[rockfuel]

we will keep you updated ..

Edited March 12, 2014 by rockfuel

[magisme]

lol

[bacardimayne]

Gnrtruth forum will not be getting any type of exclusive information updates, as he posted in that Forum. He contacted our attorney, who will no longer be speaking to anyone concerning this, until resolved.

No need to confirm that. Just wfuckinga thinking he's important as always.