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[Black Sabbath]

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[Amir]

According to documents stolen from Beta's personal email document, there was a plan to re-launch Chinese Democracy during 2011. The Dj Ashba version of 'Better' was supposed to spearhead that campaign.

Where are you getting this from? That list of 101 e-mails doesn't mention this as far as I can see.

Have you ever read the article MSL published which summarized aspects of the documents?

On December 16, Guns N' Roses took the stage in Abu Dhabi to cap off the most recent leg of the never-ending Chinese Democracy World Tour.

On December 15, Guns N' Roses manager Doc McGhee was informed by members of the band that Tommy Stinson did not intend to take the stage.

And now, on February 2, those same band members find themselves uninformed, unpaid and searching for the same answers as the rabid GNR fanbase . . .

What is next for Guns N' Roses?

Answering that question is nearly impossible and Doc McGhee is just the latest in a long line of managers learning first hand that no matter what you have planned, at any point, W. Axl Rose may take his ball and go home.

While McGhee refused to comment for this story, documents recently received by mistersaintlaurent. com reveal a very thorough and dedicated plan to re-market Chinese Democracy in the US later this year.

A full North American arena tour and Best Buy exclusive reissue of Chinese Democracy would both launch on March 29. The tour would run through May 17 and hit 30 markets, including NY, LA, Vegas, Ft. Lauderdale, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Indianapolis, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Tampa, Philly, DC, Denver, San Jose, Calgary, Winnipeg, Omaha and Houston.

The album reissue would contain new artwork and a second disc containing bonus material. In addition to remixes of tracks from the album, the bonus disc would contain a new song 'Blood In The Water' as well as a new version of 'Better' featuring DJ Ashba, which would serve as the radio single for the reissue.

All of this would be announced February 7, with a secret show the day before the Super Bowl (February 5) at The Lodge in Dallas. Yet, it's February 2 and those in the GNR camp that were willing to speak to mistersaintlaurent. com insist they have not received any airfare or itinerary.

While nobody would dispute that a very disappointed Axl Rose has holed himself up at home once again, most agreed he was justifiably upset.

"When we got back to the states, we expected Doc to have a US tour ready for us," said one member of Guns N' Roses that spoke with mistersaintlaurent. com. "When we found out things were still up in the air, everyone was deflated, but Axl took the news the worst," he continued.

But why is Doc McGhee having so much trouble finalizing a North American tour? Multiple sponsors have already signed on, including John Varvatos, Bloomingdales and Deleon Tequila. Companies such as Monster Energy and Harley-Davidson have had discussions with GNR as well about sponsoring a tour.

The answer may very well lie with Axl's previous manager, the mega powerful Irving Azoff. With Azoff controlling everything from venues to ticketing, many have accused Azoff of interfering with Doc's plan of attack for 2011.

So with the tour appearing to be off, where does that leave things with Best Buy? Although Best Buy had been burned by the first release of Chinese Democracy, they've pledged major funds to help market a reissue. Will they continue to be so supportive when clearly it is impossible for Guns N' Roses to reliably stick to any sort of plan.

And if and when the band returns, who will be playing bass? It wasn't that long ago that Duff McKagan appeared on stage with the band, a move that shocked fans throughout the world.

But what wasn't publically known at the time was that for years there have been internal discussions about canning Stinson due to problems with alcohol as well as his treatment of staff and crew. What role this played in Stinson threatening to not take the stage in Abu Dhabi is not known, but what is known is that as far back as 2008, Axl and other members of the band had many discussions about the pros and cons of a Duff return, a return Duff has privately expressed interest in repeatedly behind closed doors.

So what is next for Guns N' Roses? Unfortunately, not even Guns N' Roses itself knows the answer to that question.

I think there's truth interspersed with fantasy.

Do you believe that Axl was happy with the way Chinese got released? Even Jarmo was hinting that GNR would re-release Chinese before moving onto completely new songs.

I do think he wanted alternate covers, and I wish those had gotten released. What's weird is that there's no mention of remixes/extra songs in those booklets.

I think you're confused. Those booklets weren't part of subsequent re-release plans, they were supposed to be part of the original release.

I know they were supposed to be part of the original release, but they weren't ready in time (Tommy mentions it in an interview). The date on the back of the Red Hand cover reads 2009 and the back of the Grenade cover says 2010-2011.

[ManetsBR]

Actually, NGOG, some of the alternative booklets feature copyrights from 2009, 2010 and even 2011.

Edited December 9, 2013 by ManetsBR

[Guest NGOG]

According to documents stolen from Beta's personal email document, there was a plan to re-launch Chinese Democracy during 2011. The Dj Ashba version of 'Better' was supposed to spearhead that campaign.

Where are you getting this from? That list of 101 e-mails doesn't mention this as far as I can see.

Have you ever read the article MSL published which summarized aspects of the documents?

On December 16, Guns N' Roses took the stage in Abu Dhabi to cap off the most recent leg of the never-ending Chinese Democracy World Tour.

On December 15, Guns N' Roses manager Doc McGhee was informed by members of the band that Tommy Stinson did not intend to take the stage.

And now, on February 2, those same band members find themselves uninformed, unpaid and searching for the same answers as the rabid GNR fanbase . . .

What is next for Guns N' Roses?

Answering that question is nearly impossible and Doc McGhee is just the latest in a long line of managers learning first hand that no matter what you have planned, at any point, W. Axl Rose may take his ball and go home.

While McGhee refused to comment for this story, documents recently received by mistersaintlaurent. com reveal a very thorough and dedicated plan to re-market Chinese Democracy in the US later this year.

A full North American arena tour and Best Buy exclusive reissue of Chinese Democracy would both launch on March 29. The tour would run through May 17 and hit 30 markets, including NY, LA, Vegas, Ft. Lauderdale, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Indianapolis, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Tampa, Philly, DC, Denver, San Jose, Calgary, Winnipeg, Omaha and Houston.

The album reissue would contain new artwork and a second disc containing bonus material. In addition to remixes of tracks from the album, the bonus disc would contain a new song 'Blood In The Water' as well as a new version of 'Better' featuring DJ Ashba, which would serve as the radio single for the reissue.

All of this would be announced February 7, with a secret show the day before the Super Bowl (February 5) at The Lodge in Dallas. Yet, it's February 2 and those in the GNR camp that were willing to speak to mistersaintlaurent. com insist they have not received any airfare or itinerary.

While nobody would dispute that a very disappointed Axl Rose has holed himself up at home once again, most agreed he was justifiably upset.

"When we got back to the states, we expected Doc to have a US tour ready for us," said one member of Guns N' Roses that spoke with mistersaintlaurent. com. "When we found out things were still up in the air, everyone was deflated, but Axl took the news the worst," he continued.

But why is Doc McGhee having so much trouble finalizing a North American tour? Multiple sponsors have already signed on, including John Varvatos, Bloomingdales and Deleon Tequila. Companies such as Monster Energy and Harley-Davidson have had discussions with GNR as well about sponsoring a tour.

The answer may very well lie with Axl's previous manager, the mega powerful Irving Azoff. With Azoff controlling everything from venues to ticketing, many have accused Azoff of interfering with Doc's plan of attack for 2011.

So with the tour appearing to be off, where does that leave things with Best Buy? Although Best Buy had been burned by the first release of Chinese Democracy, they've pledged major funds to help market a reissue. Will they continue to be so supportive when clearly it is impossible for Guns N' Roses to reliably stick to any sort of plan.

And if and when the band returns, who will be playing bass? It wasn't that long ago that Duff McKagan appeared on stage with the band, a move that shocked fans throughout the world.

But what wasn't publically known at the time was that for years there have been internal discussions about canning Stinson due to problems with alcohol as well as his treatment of staff and crew. What role this played in Stinson threatening to not take the stage in Abu Dhabi is not known, but what is known is that as far back as 2008, Axl and other members of the band had many discussions about the pros and cons of a Duff return, a return Duff has privately expressed interest in repeatedly behind closed doors.

So what is next for Guns N' Roses? Unfortunately, not even Guns N' Roses itself knows the answer to that question.

I think there's truth interspersed with fantasy.

Do you believe that Axl was happy with the way Chinese got released? Even Jarmo was hinting that GNR would re-release Chinese before moving onto completely new songs.

I do think he wanted alternate covers, and I wish those had gotten released. What's weird is that there's no mention of remixes/extra songs in those booklets.

I think you're confused. Those booklets weren't part of subsequent re-release plans, they were supposed to be part of the original release.

I know they were supposed to be part of the original release, but they weren't ready in time (Tommy mentions it in an interview). The date on the back of the Red Hand cover reads 2009 and the back of the Grenade cover says 2010-2011.

But they were merely re-manufactured versions of an original prototype.

Actually, NGOG, some of the alternative booklets feature copyrights from 2009, 2010 and even 2011.

Again, they were merely recopies of an original prototype. Those booklets were planned as B and C for Best Buy.

[ManetsBR]

Actually, NGOG, some of the alternative booklets feature copyrights from 2009, 2010 and even 2011.

Again, they were merely recopies of an original prototype. Those booklets were planned as B and C for Best Buy.

I know, but why would they print them again years later if they weren't meant to be part of the re-release?

[Amir]

We can't say they were remanufactured when we haven't seen any Red Hand or Grenade booklets with 2008 on the back. And the Grenade one never made it past prototype, to me the artwork doesn't seem as carefully chosen besides the front cover.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Amir

[Guest NGOG]

Actually, NGOG, some of the alternative booklets feature copyrights from 2009, 2010 and even 2011.

Again, they were merely recopies of an original prototype. Those booklets were planned as B and C for Best Buy.

I know, but why would they print them again years later if they weren't meant to be part of the re-release?

Axl was passionate about them seeing the light of day.

[Black Sabbath]

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[ManetsBR]

Actually, I have reasons to believe that the Grenade booklet is an absolute hoax.

Edited December 9, 2013 by ManetsBR

[Guest NGOG]

We can't say they were remanufactured when we haven't seen any Red Hand or Grenade booklets with 2008 on the back. And the Grenade one never made it past prototype, to me the artwork doesn't seem as carefully chosen besides the front cover.

Exactly. I'm not articulating myself correctly, but that's basically my point. Axl was passionate about having the corresponding artwork out there, but Best Buy weren't supportive.

It's a bit like Kanye West's problem with Nike.

[Amir]

Actually, I have reasons to believe that the Grenade booklet is an absolute hoax.

How come?

Also I had a look at the back of the CD cases for dates. The Red Hand case says 2008, 2008-2009, and its booklet says 2009.

The Grenade case says 2010, and its booklet says 2010-2011.

[magisme]

Censorship!!!

[Gordon Comstock]

Is the Ballad of Death thing people are talking about brand new? There was a snippet of a "studio demo" floating around a long time ago, wasn't there? It wasn't very long.

[youngunner]

suspend me for what? Ive been exiled from yarmos site a long time ago. Im not worried about susupensions.

All you forums need to stop worrying about bs. Its gnr its a rock n roll band. lighten up. stop trying to get exclusives. stop trying to get sucky suck with team brazil. You have less than a 1% chance of ever meeting AXl never mind hanging with him. Yarmo hit the lotto. the Lotto is over.

Just go back to being a gnr forum. enough with the bs. We get enough bs from gnr

[RussTCB]

Asking for links and PMs, as well as especially posting links to these leaks is not tolerated and will result in a suspension. Please take note of this, guys.

THIS.

We have tried being as nice as we can about this and users are still attempting to request links. Users asking for PMs, links or any sort of request for these will be suspended.

[ManetsBR]

Actually, I have reasons to believe that the Grenade booklet is an absolute hoax.

How come?

Also I had a look at the back of the CD cases for dates. The Red Hand case says 2008, 2008-2009, and its booklet says 2009.

The Grenade case says 2010, and its booklet says 2010-2011.

I have told a few people about it, but never posted on a topic, so here goes:

Two copies of the Grenade cover were allegedly found by the the same person. The person is Mr. Soulmonster, who had already

- Faked a physical copy of the Monstrosity single.

- Faked the Legend Of The Red Panda story and artwork.

- Faked the Monstrosity single "sample."

I just think it's akward that a person who had a historic of faking really belieavable material happened to find two legit copies of the most rare Guns N' Roses item in the whole world.

More than that, the artists whose images were on the booklet claimed that they didn't seel any of those paintings to Axl Rose, while on Red Hand they all confirmed that Axl had indeed bought them. Why would they even print these if they hadn't paied for the copyrights? They wouldn't make that mistake, specially due to the fact that they paied on Red Hand. Also, the copyright dates are above the regular line, which is weird.

Edited December 9, 2013 by ManetsBR

[John Bonham]

Grenade booklet is a fake. It's old news. Sandy Yagi has confirmed this.

[RussTCB]

2 suspensions have now been handed out after repeated requests from the Admin/Mod team to stop asking.

We DO NOT want to suspend users! Please discontinue asking for links/PMs!

[Amir]

Actually, I have reasons to believe that the Grenade booklet is an absolute hoax.

How come?

Also I had a look at the back of the CD cases for dates. The Red Hand case says 2008, 2008-2009, and its booklet says 2009.

The Grenade case says 2010, and its booklet says 2010-2011.

I have told a few people about it, but never posted on a topic, so here goes:

Two copies of the Grenade cover were allegedly found by the the same person. The person is Mr. Soulmonster, who had already

- Faked a physical copy of the Monstrosity single.

- Faked the Legend Of The Red Panda story and artwork.

- Faked the Monstrosity single "sample."

I just think it's akward that a person who had a historic of faking really belieavable material happened to find two legit copies of the most rare Guns N' Roses item in the whole world.

More than that, the artists whose images were on the booklet claimed that they didn't seel any of those paintings to Axl Rose, while on Red Hand they all confirmed that Axl had indeed bought them. Why would they even print these if they hadn't paied for the copyrights? They wouldn't make that mistake, specially due to the fact that they paied on Red Hand. Also, the copyright dates are above the regular line, which is weird.

I thought it was MSL who found them, and then traded one with Troccoli? Did MSL get them from Mr. SoulMonster?

While a lot of the artwork looks a bit dodgy, this one is interesting:

Because it's a composite of multiple Kandinsky (the guy who did the Riad helicopters and the How Are You? Grenade) pieces:

Maybe a fan put those together? Or maybe Axl said he liked both and the artist came up with a custom montage? I might try e-mailing Kandinsky later, if his e-mail is publicly available.

[ManetsBR]

Try emailing him, it's a great idea. Mr. Soulmonster "found" them. He traded one for Better Gone and later he sold the other for three thousand dollars. MSL then sold one to someone I don't know who it is, and the other to Troccoli.

[Facekicker]

$3000? Hope they are fake

[Guest NGOG]

I might try e-mailing Kandinsky later, if his e-mail is publicly available.

Good luck with that. He died in 1944...

EDIT: Sorry, different Kandinsky!

Edited December 9, 2013 by NGOG

[rocknroll41]

If GN'R play Better, If the World, Oh My God, This I Love and Shackler's live on the next tour, they should do them in the style of these remixes. It'd also be cool if they played Going Down and Silkworms live.

[smokingarthur]

Wow you guys are excited over this garbage? Remixed tracks, Ashba shit, and some reworked old songs? Great, amazing, wow.

[Amir]

I might try e-mailing Kandinsky later, if his e-mail is publicly available.

Good luck with that. He died in 1944...

Anton Kandinsky (though Wassily Kandinsky is one of my favourite artists, as well).