Nice Boy Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Okay first of all I want to make clear - I don't intend this to be a "who is better" thread, because God I've read enough of those tedious arguments for one lifetime! Always with the same shit, 'Steven has great swing but sloppy' 'Matt is steady like a robot but no soul' etc etc etc....What I am interested i here is just what a big difference there is in the actual speed that they drummed certain songs - and that Steven often played stuff wayy faster than Matt. Why is this? I checked out the bpm of a selection of Mr.Browstone recordings, and whilst Matt pretty much always plays it at about 107 bpm (by my measurement) Steven's was on average about 120 bpm. But below I've posted 2 examples which have such vastly different speeds, it's like they are different songs! Matt playing it in Prague 1992 at a very slow 104 bpm, as opposed to Steven at Giants Stadium 1988, drumming the same song at a roadrunner 130 bpm !? That is a vast difference. Steven always played it a lot faster... anyone have any sensible answers as to why this is? Any drummers here have input on this subject?Just listen to the speed of the drumming on these intos: Matt @ 104 bpm / Steven @ 130 bpm !MATT 104 bpm STEVEN 130 bpm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drtydane Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 They were both doing cocaine. Damnit eggers. Off to the pro shop for some sweet club covers. Maybe some Alf ones.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Steven got/gets excited and starts speeding up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtydane Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I figure the band rehearsed the songs before the shows. Maybe that's just how they were feeling during each tour.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 maybe that explains a bit why steven sounds so fucking great (NEVER sloppy) and Matt sounds ahnn... not so great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoking guns Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I always thought Sorum's sounds flat and slow. Live at the Ritz was killer. "You wanna help me rip the roof of this place tonight?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I prefer the Prague version, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lim666 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Keep in mind the analoge tape issues. both videos are sourced from generated tape/cassette/vhs transfers with different equipment etc. this can have influence on the resulting speed of the songs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Some musicians rush, some don't. It isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerRoller Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I wonder if it ever had to do with still becoming well known and playing as an opening band that's rushimg to play as many song's as possible compared to sorum never going through that with guns. I've noticed the slower pace too and that he hits the drums very hard. Remember though Steven used to play an even much much faster pace with double drums before gnr. Man I miss the old lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER PT Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Steven plays with a smile upon his face ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Some musicians rush, some don't. It isn't rocket science."Were you rushing, or were you dragging?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggers Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 They were both doing cocaine. Damnit eggers. Off to the pro shop for some sweet club covers. Maybe some Alf ones..Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Archer Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Cocaine.Steven got/gets excited and starts speeding up.Nein. See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliff Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) usually done by people trying do bonzo this is how it's done will ferrell Edited March 5, 2015 by spliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The way i see it is Sorums drumming comes from the tradition of the blues shuffle, as most metal drumming does, its just it appears to've been played by people without the requisite groove to get the shit right so it just comes across hard and dense, which it's supposed to be i suppose, in keeping with the music. Adlers drumming is more like soul and funk drumming, bouncey etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The way i see it is Sorums drumming comes from the tradition of the blues shuffle, as most metal drumming does, its just it appears to've been played by people without the requisite groove to get the shit right so it just comes across hard and dense, which it's supposed to be i suppose, in keeping with the music. Adlers drumming is more like soul and funk drumming, bouncey etcAdler's got a bit of a disco thing going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseIRS Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I prefer it slower like Sorum played it. Lets the groove of the riff stand out more. Sped up like Adler plays it there makes it lose the whole groove of the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I prefer it slower like Sorum played it. Lets the groove of the riff stand out more. Sped up like Adler plays it there makes it lose the whole groove of the song.This.Btw, good thread, OP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Cocaine.This song exhibits the Bo-Diddley beat originally created by Bo Diddley. This beat is often-used in many rock songs starting from the 1960shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Diddley#The_Bo_Diddley_beatThis has nothing to do with cokeCocaine.Steven got/gets excited and starts speeding up.Nein. See above.neinBo Diddley beatDon't be a smart assjust because they were junkies it doesn't mean everything in their music/playing related to drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleep Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Steven has a looser way of playing. Matt is a hard hitter and much tighter. He's more traditional than Steven too. I'd wager that at some point Matt has had lessons/professional training whereas Steven hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Steven has a looser way of playing. Matt is a hard hitter and much tighter. He's more traditional than Steven too. I'd wager that at some point Matt has had lessons/professional training whereas Steven hasn't.That is why Matt's drumming lack any originalitythe funny thing is Steven is more original than Sorum while Matt is clearly technically better than AdlerYes, Steven is not irreplaceable, but still more enjoyable on the AFD tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Cocaine.This song exhibits the Bo-Diddley beat originally created by Bo Diddley. This beat is often-used in many rock songs starting from the 1960shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Diddley#The_Bo_Diddley_beatThis has nothing to do with cokeCocaine.Steven got/gets excited and starts speeding up.Nein. See above.neinBo Diddley beatDon't be a smart assjust because they were junkies it doesn't mean everything in their music/playing related to drugsWas just being funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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