Is Chinese Democracy the most "Guns" record out of all solo projects?

[DieselDaisy]

Axl actually got caught bullshitting. He said Slash had ''told him what to sing''. Eric Dover wrote most of the lyrics for Snakepit!

[RussTCB]

4 hours ago, maynard said:

This I Love with Slash is like Broadway musical meets Aerosmith - Jimmy Page era - plus a mix of Spice Girls and Cradle of Filth specially in the chorus. Axl sounds like a mix of Barry White and Tim Armstrong if punk rock was done by black people. Synth reminds me of Nofx.

I lol'd.

[Free Bird]

All right. It's your opinion and this was a way better explanation than just "southern cock rock", whatever that means at all.

[wasted]

I think you need to at least combine Slash and Izzy songs to get a GNR blend. With Izzy gone and Slash not wanting to do Axl's songs it's hard to see it being a great GNR album. 

Not to say we wouldn't enjoy Axl singing on Snakepit as Guns. But it's not about us. They have to agree. Axl had his songs, Duff had his opinion too. 

Seeing as they had never done it the Slash way before, I'm not surprised by what happened. 

I still don't see why not do both. Maybe Slash saw Axl was never going to finish the record. 

Was there a legit single on Snakepit. They would need at least one ballad?

 

[double talkin jive mfkr]

NO FUCKING WAY - IZZY STRADDLIN AND THE JUJU HOUNDS - first 2 albums beat everyone else combined 

[WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself]

1 minute ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

NO FUCKING WAY - IZZY STRADDLIN AND THE JUJU HOUNDS - first 2 albums beat everyone else combined 

Izzy StraDDlin? Maybe. Haven't heard of him to be honest.

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3 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

NO FUCKING WAY - IZZY STRADDLIN AND THE JUJU HOUNDS - first 2 albums beat everyone else combined 

Outside of CD, Izzy has some great songs that could have been GNR songs, in my opinion. But the whole vibe is a bit more laid back. If Slash played them they'd be very close to Guns material. 

Edited November 18, 2016 by wasted
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[Rovim]

14 hours ago, wasted said:

I think you need to at least combine Slash and Izzy songs to get a GNR blend. With Izzy gone and Slash not wanting to do Axl's songs it's hard to see it being a great GNR album. 

Not to say we wouldn't enjoy Axl singing on Snakepit as Guns. But it's not about us. They have to agree. Axl had his songs, Duff had his opinion too. 

Seeing as they had never done it the Slash way before, I'm not surprised by what happened. 

I still don't see why not do both. Maybe Slash saw Axl was never going to finish the record. 

Was there a legit single on Snakepit. They would need at least one ballad?

 

Perhaps Axl could have worked on a hard rock single from Snakepit if they agreed to at least try. But as is, no single.

But Slash already had Fall To Pieces ideas at some early point. So even if Izzy wasn't there, I can see how they could have released another Guns album with a hit, but without Izzy I don't know if it would have been a great release.

I don't think we know what Slash wants to do right now about Axl tunes. Also we don't know how urgent it is for Axl to work on shit right now or add Slash and Duff.

But he played them his tunes. And Slash is going back To do Con lll when the tour is over probably, or it's likely.

If Axl doesn't think he needs Izzy to release another Guns album and Slash can add a few tunes and have acceptable amounts of freedom, it's possible.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Rovim

[wasted]

Seems like they need to re-record or start fresh to get back to the GNR sound.

It's kind of like a UYI album without Izzy songs. 

[Rovim]

1 minute ago, wasted said:

Seems like they need to re-record or start fresh to get back to the GNR sound.

It's kind of like a UYI album without Izzy songs. 

Even Axl vocals, rasp, and shit like that is something Axl mentioned. I think he wants to go back to a more classic sound, at least in some ways.

Actually, I think he still wants to use some Chinese ll material and from the vault, but with raspy vocals.

But you gotta add something relevant to it. It's not purely CD ll anymore. And Axl always added to Chinese, not just guitar solos and layers. When band members left and others joined, he added their tunes.

Not Bumble or Frank, But he used 3 Bucket tunes for Chinese. Sorry, Scraped, and Shackler's and Bucket's lead playing is all over the album. Changed it dramatically.

Maybe he'll do kinda the same with Slash, but also why mention he wants to start with lyrics and melodies now? maybe he wants an overhaul of the entire thing cause that's the only way of making it fit to this line up artistically.

And that's why he knows it won't be soon, but that's just a wild guess.

[wasted]

That sounds about right. CD II material either left behind, like they aren't going to do Silkworms, or they use that material as demos or just Frank and Fortus parts, Duff re-doing bass, Slash re-doing leads. Or just start again from lyrics and melody, then Slash and Duff add their songs. 

Edited November 18, 2016 by wasted
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[wasted]

9 minutes ago, Rovim said:

It's a question of ratio. How Axl is gonna balance the material, old and new, Chinese/Slash and Duff, current production/new production, lyrical themes tying all that together.

I really believe Axl is much too thorough as an artist to not go through all the process of updating it completely. Treating existing material like parts again. A lot of time passes between releases anyway so he probably got very good at doing that.

But it is a challenging task given the weight of a Guns album. To Axl. And of course if they manage to pull it off, a proper release that has a chance to be successful enough and the right deal are still not a given. And how does Angus Young fits into all of this?

We're probably fucked.

It's just whether they decide to start making albums more as just a product, like the Stones do, then just do another one. 

 Or do they do another one-off definitive final statement type thing. 

[DieselDaisy]

Let the madness stop!!

[wasted]

You don't think GNR could go on a run like Steel Wheels, Voodoo Lounge, Bridges to Babylon or Permanent Vacation, Pump, Get a Grip? 

Just decide to make music for the fans. 

[Rovim]

4 minutes ago, wasted said:

You don't think GNR could go on a run like Steel Wheels, Voodoo Lounge, Bridges to Babylon or Permanent Vacation, Pump, Get a Grip? 

Just decide to make music for the fans. 

Yes, and call it "Hardwired To Sellout"

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4 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Yes, and call it "Hardwired To Sellout"

But it was like "Not in this Lifetime!"

"Here's a few million bucks."

"Oh, ok then."

Surely that broke the voodoo curse of Prostitute? 

[Rovim]

7 hours ago, wasted said:

But it was like "Not in this Lifetime!"

"Here's a few million bucks."

"Oh, ok then."

Surely that broke the voodoo curse of Prostitute? 

See... not really. Cause just like Slash prefers to tour and shits on quality when it comes to albums,

Axl might think the only thing he needs to deliver live in order to give you what you pay for is a good vocal performance and that's it. That's the job.

For Axl, I think it's not about if he enjoys touring all the time, which makes it truly great, I don't think he's always super pumped and wants to tour for years. He likes to do the Chinese material the most. (said on the China Exchange interview)

The art part of it is the studio albums. The actual tunes. He's not gonna fuck with that cause that's the core of it which he protects like a mountain lion of.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Rovim

[wasted]

16 minutes ago, Rovim said:

See... not really. Cause just like Slash prefers to tour and shits on quality when it comes to albums,

Axl might think the only thing he needs to deliver live in order to give you what you pay for is a good vocal performance and that's it. That's the job.

For Axl, I think it's not about if he's enjoying touring all the time, which makes it truly great, I don't think he's always super pumped and wants to tour for years. He likes to do the Chinese material the most. (said on the China Exchange interview)

The art part of it is the studio albums. The actual tunes. He's not gonna fuck with that cause that's the core of it which he protects like a mountain lion.

That's kind of why Slash left in the first place. So I could buy that. 

[DieselDaisy]

18 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Slash prefers to tour and shits on quality when it comes to albums,

Considering all his albums are better than CD, this is clearly not true.

[Rovim]

6 hours ago, wasted said:

That's kind of why Slash left in the first place. So I could buy that. 

Plus Axl was a whore in 2006-2007 and went on tour to fund more Chinese recordings? it was inspired and great cause he still had much to prove, but he doesn't force it.

So now, it's just too much money to not do sellout live, and he never wanted Slash to leave Guns anyway. He told him how can you leave the band with that much cash at stake in 1996.

There are varying degrees of selling out. In Axl's case, touring is a means to an end with a potential to be great when he's into it. It wasn't a major shift to Stones territory, or it doesn't seem that way to me.

It's like... Guns N' Roses are back! everyone wants to pay us! it only makes sense. And it makes more sense that Axl is just a whore on the road and is capable of that, but not fully whoring, actually selling his soul, sacrificing what he wants to do artistically to appease fans, releasing albums just as an excuse to make more money.

He can make more money without giving up that right. The right to take years and tinker with music he actually believes in.

 

6 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Considering all his albums are better than CD, this is clearly not true.

Well, that's subjective, but Slash said the most important thing for him as a musician is the live performances, which was the more relevant part of the point I was trying to make.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Rovim

[wasted]

1 hour ago, Rovim said:

Plus Axl was a whore in 2006-2007 and went on tour to fund more Chinese recordings? it was inspired and great cause he still had much to prove, but he doesn't force it.

So now, it's just too much money to not do sellout live, and he never wanted Slash to leave Guns anyway. He told him how can you leave the band with that much cash at stake in 1996.

There are varying degrees of selling out. In Axl's case, touring is a means to an end with a potential to be great when he's into it. It wasn't a major shift to Stones territory, or it doesn't seem that way to me.

It's like... Guns N' Roses are back! everyone wants to pay us! it only makes sense. And it makes more sense that Axl is just a whore on the road and is capable of that, but not fully whoring, actually selling his soul, sacrificing what he wants to do artistically for appeasing fans and releasing albums just as an excuse to make more money.

He can make more money without giving up on that right. The right to take years and tinker with music he actually believes in.

 

Well, that's subjective, but Slash said the most important thing for him as a musician is the live performances, which was the more relevant part of the point I was trying to make.

I guess Axl is trying to communicate something different to Slash. He was making a righteous statement with CD, so Bucket can't have porn in his chicken coop etc. Axl seems to take it personal and almost too serious. 

So Slash can do multiple albums but Axl really only cares about that specific thing he's trying to express in the right way. 

 

[maynard]

Slash is Axl mixed with Prostitute with bits of 70s glam rock

[Rovim]

20 minutes ago, wasted said:

I guess Axl is trying to communicate something different to Slash. He was making a righteous statement with CD, so Bucket can't have porn in his chicken coop etc. Axl seems to take it personal and almost too serious. 

So Slash can do multiple albums but Axl really only cares about that specific thing he's trying to express in the right way. 

 

In addition, it's not just about the status of the current line up or Slash or how much money can I make with giving the fans what they want.

It is a separate issue. It's an Axl thing. When things go sour, the recording process and quality control are still the same. Band members change? that still does not dictate what the album is gonna be about.

Everything is thought of and considered, many approaches attempted, but I think Axl always goes back to it if enough time has passed and verifies it's still artistically relevant and if it reflects his musical interests and Guns at that time.

So yeah... the right way. Still gotta be the right tunes, production, themes. It's more that compared to they're old and fat and all Axl cares about now is money. That's just what he cares about when he's on tour and touring is secondary to the art for him I think.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Rovim

[wasted]

4 minutes ago, Rovim said:

In addition, it's not just about the status of the current line up or Slash or how much money can I make with giving the fans what they want.

It is a separate issue. It's an Axl thing. When things go sour, the recording process and quality control are still the same. Band members change? that still does not dictate what the album is gonna be about.

Everything is thought of and considered, many approaches attempted, but I think Axl always goes back to it if enough time has passed and verifies it's artistic relevance and if it reflects his musical interests and Guns at that time.

So yeah... the right way. Still gotta be the right tunes, production, themes. It's more that compared to they're old and fat and all Axl cares about now is money. That's just what he cares about when he's on tour and touring is secondary to the art.

Which means not soon basically. 

[wasted]

And CD II was done a long time ago, but how many are actually Axl songs. If you start taking out stuff that just isn't going to fly as a reunion record with Slash, what do you have left?