Chewbacca Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Korn riff? Shackler's? Well, you clearly don't listen to Korn (obviously), so you shouldn't try to compare something with another thing that you are not familiar with. A korn Riff is usually a chugging detuned 7 string guitar riff that repeats a lot during the song. Shackler's doesn't even have that "dark music for edgy teens" feel that korn is famous for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 34 minutes ago, Chewbacca said: Korn riff? Shackler's? Well, you clearly don't listen to Korn (obviously), so you shouldn't try to compare something with another thing that you are not familiar with. A korn Riff is usually a chugging detuned 7 string guitar riff that repeats a lot during the song. Shackler's doesn't even have that "dark music for edgy teens" feel that korn is famous for. Same riff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Nothing alike. Sorry. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Very similar riff... extremely similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yeah it's cut from the same brick of cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yes. indeed. The Slap bass on Shackler's is so good... oh, wait there's no slap bass in there. The only thing similar is that it is a low note followed by a high note/ harmonic. Silly me, only korn does that. I should've known already. by your logic, a lot of bands write korn riffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) The opening Korn riff makes a similar low note with high note approach as Shackler's opening riff. But the verse riff, the prechorus riff, chorus riff, and solo backing riff of Shackler's sound nothing like it. Edited November 10, 2016 by Mendez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Riffs are duplicated all the time in rock and hard rock music and beyond. Someone sued Slash for the Dirty Little Thing riff. It is super similar to some other band. So what? Kurt stole the Come As You Are riff, Chinese Democracy riff is rock you like a boston teen. The Cult lifting from The Stones, everyone lifting from The Stones, Izzy with Used To Love Her and so on and so forth. Riffs are musical sentences. Just because someone else used it in a different context doesn't mean it's completely useless artistically. (like Korn) If that was the case, a shitload of Blues music is useless and a rehash for example. A lot of it is also in the delivery and context. Edited November 10, 2016 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Exactly the same riff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Chewbacca said: Yes. indeed. The Slap bass on Shackler's is so good... oh, wait there's no slap bass in there. The only thing similar is that it is a low note followed by a high note/ harmonic. Silly me, only korn does that. I should've known already. by your logic, a lot of bands write korn riffs. They could use a dying cat to produce that tone, who cares? Thing is it sounds the same and that is new metal territory. Edited November 10, 2016 by Free Bird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Exactly the same riff. You just don't want to get it. It's not exclusive to Chinese or Axl, Izzy does this shit all the time! Chuck Berry fuckin' duplicating his own riffs for every tune with only changing the timing a little bit kinda. You think it's only this way with chord progressions? I expect more from you. You can't be that thick headed. Especially given the music I know you listen to. Must I use clips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 What is new metal territory? low note plus high note? How? You know people would do this kind of stuff before new metal was even a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Exact same riff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 It's not. Give it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Just now, Chewbacca said: It's not. Give it up. Is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Korn/Shackler's = new metal territory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 How? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 It is the exact same riff. Du-du-dee du-du-dee. Use your ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Bucket comes up with one million riffs a day. I'm just saying it's possible for musicians to copy each other sometimes, but it's bound to happen. And seriously, are we questioning Bucket's originality here? cause he's responsible for the riff. And not the first or only time Bucket has borrowed ideas, Bumble as well, Slash with Doctor Alibi. The examples are endless really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 That's what it sounds like. Simple as that. Hey I don't even say it's a bad thing. Do you like it? That's all that matters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Hell, sometimes musicians copy themselves. Double Talkin Jive is just a faster You Could Be Mine riff. Same strumming exact pattern, but with different notes. Aside from the fact the YCBM/DTJ rhythm pattern is a pretty basic rock n roll pattern that has been used before in songs like One Way or Another, among others. But no one really gives a shit because it sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Oh look! here's Dimebag Darrel doing a korn riff even before korn released their debut album. That good-for-nothing Darrel stealing riffs even before they were written. So, why don't we call it a pantera riff instead? seems more acurate. Shackler's is shameless pantera ripoff by your logic. The only similarity is the low note high note pattern. Face it. It's something so common in metal that calling it a "korn riff" is total BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I can totally sing "I got a funny feeling, there's something wrong today, I got a funny feeling and it won't go away" over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Chewbacca said: Oh look! here's Dimebag Darrel doing a korn riff even before korn released their debut album. That good-for-nothing Darrel stealing riffs even before they were written. So, why don't we call it a pantera riff instead? seems more acurate. Shackler's is shameless pantera ripoff by your logic. The only similarity is the low note high note pattern. Face it. It's something so common in metal that calling it a "korn riff" is total BS Wait, theres low string chugging going on! Avenged Sevenfold rips off Slipknot rips off Disturbed rips off Korn rips off Megadeth rips off Metallica rips off Pantera! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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