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1 minute ago, KeyserSoze said:

And its almost like you went out of your way to put GNR’s casual achievements in the same category as a well oiled and marketed machine.... 

So why are Metallica's pro-shots worthy of praise but not GNR's?

Just seems like a double standard because you want to have a whine. 

And I wouldn't list myself as a casual fan, I'm just a realist as to how the output of legacy acts is treated.

 

3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

So you both agree that 1) GNR is in no way a productive band and 2) that it's Axl's fault. 

Remind me again how it's the fans fault if they're negative? 

Not the fans,  just some on this forum.

As with everything there are reasons to be critical but there are users on here that are just never happy, and in turn this is why TB stopped caring about here because no matter what they did it just got derided.

 

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On my mobile this thread was abbreviated as "Guns N' Roses to Release Chi.." and I open it to find this 

Fuck Fernando.

There's nothing to say that hasn't already been said in the thread  For once, I literally have no words. This is the biggest face palm day for me as a GNR fan. 

7 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

So why are Metallica's pro-shots worthy of praise but not GNR's?

Just seems like a double standard because you want to have a whine. 

And I wouldn't list myself as a casual fan, I'm just a realist as to how the output of legacy acts is treated.

 

Simple: Because there are about 100+ Metallica videos to choose from all on youtube to watch if I so desired, a sweet partnership with Nugs Net that I think every  band should take advantage of in this post COVID world, and because I have no idea what GNR pro-shots you are referring to because I don't even think you know what you are referring to:lol:

Thanks for diluting my whole list down to a few words as I figured you would anyway. 

and obviously you aren't a 'realist' if you think GNR did anything close to Metallica in the last 12 years, but okay Joe Rogan, use your bias and love of something to make sure we understand GNR tried the hardest they could to give us the best content they thought of. 

 :facepalm:

 

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20 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Not the fans,  just some on this forum.

As with everything there are reasons to be critical but there are users on here that are just never happy, and in turn this is why TB stopped caring about here because no matter what they did it just got derided.

 

No, it's the fans. Have a look around at everywhere GNR is on the internet outside of the two dead forums that force positivity. Many, many fans are negative everywhere else but here. It's absolutely not "just some on this forum" and no matter how many times you make that false statement, it's just never going to be true. 

It's also humorous that you seem to be speaking on TBs behalf. Can you confirm that TB actually cared about the fans outside of their money at any point?

And again, it's not that "whatever they did gets derided", it's that they did next to nothing. When the band is completely unproductive and their management insults the fans in more ways than one, then this is the situation we end up in. 

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22 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

And all of them absolute *gold*

It doesn't matter if you like those albums or not. 

If you were to work at a marketing agency as an intern with another strapping young lad who brings in 4+ big ideas to the room while you sit there on your hands, I can tell you straight up who is getting the job. 

I think the main problem here is you thinking new music isn't worth staining the integrity of the brand. 

Metallica's album you called a 'piss-break' went to #1 on Billboard. 

Could you imagine what that would do for GNR? 

But keep fighting it, come on. What's your response to this one?

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Just now, RussTCB said:

No, it's the fans. Have a look around at everywhere GNR is on the internet outside of the two dead forums that force positivity. Many, many fans negative. It's absolutely not "just some on this forum" and no matter how many times you make that false statement, it's just never going to be true. 

It's also humorous that you seem to be speaking on TBs behalf. Can you confirm that TB actually cared about the fans outside of their money at any point?

And again, it's not that "whatever they did gets derided", it's that they did next to nothing. When the band is completely unproductive and their management insults the fans in more ways than one, then this is the situation we end up in. 

Even casuals on Facebook are criticizing the book, pretty heavily, most just want new music. Which begs the questions, if Axl hasn't felt compelled to write music, is it irresponsible for him to continue using the brand and band for the last 12 years, only to not produce any product? I think so, but I don't think Axl is just lazy and doesn't want to go to the studio, maybe he just hasn't. Dudes 57, I can't empathize yet with what I'd be like at that age 🤷 until he or TB says something, who knows

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24 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

So why are Metallica's pro-shots worthy of praise but not GNR's?

Just seems like a double standard because you want to have a whine. 

And I wouldn't list myself as a casual fan, I'm just a realist as to how the output of legacy acts is treated.

 

Not the fans,  just some on this forum.

As with everything there are reasons to be critical but there are users on here that are just never happy, and in turn this is why TB stopped caring about here because no matter what they did it just got derided.

 

There will always be the few are the loudest syndrome in communities. I also agree there are things that pop up at times that are sort of out of their control and it should be called to attention when appropriate. It still doesn’t excuse their general reaction/relationship towards the community here though. I think generally, fans here want to see the band do well

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8 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Simple: Because there are about 100+ Metallica videos to choose from all on youtube to watch if I so desired, a sweet partnership with Nugs Net that I think every  band should take advantage of in this post COVID world, and because I have no idea what GNR pro-shots you are referring to because I don't even think you know what you are referring to:lol:

Thanks for diluting my whole list down to a few words as I figured you would anyway. 

and obviously you aren't a 'realist' if you think GNR did anything close to Metallica in the last 12 years, but okay Joe Rogan, use your bias and love of something to make sure we understand GNR tried the hardest they could to give us the best content they thought of. 

 :facepalm:

I've already given a list of the pro-shots, so feel free to go back and read them.

My original response to your post was not trying to minimise the great work Metallica does, they put a lot of effort in. But I was just bringing up that you left off the large amounts of good stuff GNR have done over the years (to try and further your point).

3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

No, it's the fans. Have a look around at everywhere GNR is on the internet outside of the two dead forums that force positivity. Many, many tiny minority of fans negative. It's absolutely not "just some on this forum" and no matter how many times you make that false statement, it's just never going to be true. 

Fixed that for you.

5 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

It doesn't matter if you like those albums or not. 

If you were to work at a marketing agency as an intern with another strapping young lad who brings in 4+ big ideas to the room while you sit there on your hands, I can tell you straight up who is getting the job. 

I think the main problem here is you thinking new music isn't worth staining the integrity of the brand. 

Metallica's album you called a 'piss-break' went to #1 on Billboard. 

Could you imagine what that would do for GNR? 

But keep fighting it, come on. What's your response to this one?

I don't want any act I follow to just pump out landfill 4/4 rock. This is where Slash and his productivity works against him. Some great tracks, a lot of filler.

Of course Metallica went to number 1, doesn't stop the songs being bathroom break material. Their classic albums will still sell more per year than any new release.

GNR would also go to No.1 now that Slash is back, people would still rather hear Sweet Child O' Mine than the new tracks.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

So why are Metallica's pro-shots worthy of praise but not GNR's?

Just seems like a double standard because you want to have a whine. 

And I wouldn't list myself as a casual fan, I'm just a realist as to how the output of legacy acts is treated.

 

The most recent pro-shot that GNR have actually released is from 2012, and it's widely considered a bad show. Yes there were a few videos from festivals between 2016-18, but GNR and Metallica really aren't comparable when it comes to this kind of stuff... I'm just a casual Metallica fan, but as of 2020 they blow GNR out of the water in just about every way.

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sooooo whats the alternative?

By 2021, GNR will basically have toured their WHOLE catalogue of music in a 20 year period (2001-2021).

what do you suggest is next? 

Nothing? Just rinse, repeat? 

Thats like reading a book, saying "yeah, the first couple of chapters are good, but put it down after page 50" and theres still 100+ pages left. 

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2 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

I've already given a list of the pro-shots, so feel free to go back and read them.

My original response to your post was not trying to minimise the great work Metallica does, they put a lot of effort in. But I was just bringing up that you left off the large amounts of good stuff GNR have done over the years (to try and further your point).

Fixed that for you.

I don't want any act I follow to just pump out landfill 4/4 rock. This is where Slash and his productivity works against him. Some great tracks, a lot of filler.

Of course Metallica went to number 1, doesn't stop the songs being bathroom break material. Their classic albums will still sell more per year than any new release.

GNR would also go to No.1 now that Slash is back, people would still rather hear Sweet Child O' Mine than the new tracks.

 

 

Your last point isn't true, lots of comments on most posts from the band on Facebook; people want new music. The NITL was the nostalgia for Slash and Duff people have been wanting for 20 years. Now that that is over, people want new music. No one is saying that GN'R shouldn't be successful, everyone here wants the band do to great things; but often times, which I think is the point of this discussion, they fall short compared to not just Metallica; A LOT of bands have made simple, fast, low effort, high reward moves over the last decade, which GN'R hasn't. 

 

We're not expecting albums that compete with appetite every year from the band. But damnit, live music is simple to upload, they can take all my damn money, and they refuse. Even Fernandos mention of live music on discord/Reddit is not simple or concise. It just sounds like something that won't happen. Come on, this band has been on 2 of the biggest tours ever, and all we've got is the terrible Tokyo recording to show for it.

 

Other bands have been rewarded handsomely for making simple decisions, like releasing pro shots, being more open and direct with their fans, not having an iron fist on what members say during interviews. I think, for the most part, that's what we deserve as fans (especially those who have stuck around so long). This band has essentially crumpled and failed at least 3 times, yet here we still are, because the previous works were so good

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9 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Fixed that for you.

:lol: changing my post to your opinion doesn't make it fact. As I said before, if you have a look around at GN'Rs online presence outside of this forum, you'll see that in fact the greater majority of fans are disappointed with nearly everything to do with the fans. 

No amount of trolling this forum on your part will change that. 

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It just sounds like this guy doesn't have the faith that GNR in it's current form would make a better album than AFD/UYI.... and if thats the case, who's the true fans here? 

It's like being mad at your son because hes playing video games and jerking off while he should be out and about creating his masterpiece and learning about the world.

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3 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

The most recent pro-shot that GNR have actually released is from 2012, and it's widely considered a bad show.

No it's considered a 'bad' show on here by the negative brigade. 

The reviews tend positive (7.8 on IMDB etc).

5 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

sooooo whats the alternative?

By 2021, GNR will basically have toured their WHOLE catalogue of music in a 20 year period (2001-2021).

what do you suggest is next? 

Nothing? Just rinse, repeat? 

Thats like reading a book, saying "yeah, the first couple of chapters are good, but put it down after page 50" and theres still 100+ pages left. 

Yeah, why not?

I'd like to see GNR on tour again. They will put out an album at somepoint in the future

4 minutes ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

Your last point isn't true, lots of comments on most posts from the band on Facebook; people want new music. The NITL was the nostalgia for Slash and Duff people have been wanting for 20 years. Now that that is over, people want new music. No one is saying that GN'R shouldn't be successful, everyone here wants the band do to great things; but often times, which I think is the point of this discussion, they fall short compared to not just Metallica; A LOT of bands have made simple, fast, low effort, high reward moves over the last decade, which GN'R hasn't. 

 

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

:lol: changing my post to your opinion doesn't make it fact. As I said before, if you have a look around at GN'Rs online presence outside of this forum, you'll see that in fact the greater majority of fans are disappointed with nearly everything to do with the fans. 

I'll wrap up both your points with one comment.

GNR has 29 million fans on Facebook, so you're telling me there are millions of comments being negative and/or asking for new music.

Just had a look at their most recent posts and the top comments, literally not a single comment in the top 10 of any of the posts I looked at. Now there will be comments asking for new music but to try and paint it as anything approaching a majority of fans is just insanity. 

I do agree they fall short of the fan interaction of the likes of Metallica but hopefully the videos they upload will be the first step of rectifying that.

6 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

It just sounds like this guy doesn't have the faith that GNR in it's current form would make a better album than AFD/UYI.... and if thats the case, who's the true fans here? 

I mean... they won't.

I love CD, it's one of my most played albums, but it doesn't touch the 80's/90's material because it wasn't made by the young hungry band that made those records. This would be true for any new music.

I'll no doubt love any new album they release. But I know they won't be chucking jungle out of the setlist for Hardskool.

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8 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

sooooo whats the alternative?

By 2021, GNR will basically have toured their WHOLE catalogue of music in a 20 year period (2001-2021).

what do you suggest is next? 

Nothing? Just rinse, repeat? 

Thats like reading a book, saying "yeah, the first couple of chapters are good, but put it down after page 50" and theres still 100+ pages left. 

They’ll pull out the Up Close and Personal tours and ride it to state fairs if they keep nonstop touring 

We’ll see if it’s at all a creative force that moves forward regardless of the venues they play or if this was simply just the last go around for $. 
 

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well obviously this dude isn't married. Because he wouldn't get past the honeymoon phase, would probably complain that everything new "isn't how it used to be", and just live every day thinking "maybe something will change"

I mean... "it won't." 

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8 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

I'll wrap up both your points with one comment.

GNR has 29 million fans on Facebook, so you're telling me there are millions of comments being negative and/or asking for new music. 

Not even remotely what I was saying, but you know that. You're just continuing to troll the thread. 

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7 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

well obviously this dude isn't married. Because he wouldn't get past the honeymoon phase, would probably complain that everything new "isn't how it used to be", and just live every day thinking "maybe something will change"

I mean... "it won't." 

 

6 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Not even remotely what I was saying, but you know that. You're just continuing to troll the thread. 

 

Y'know this is going nowhere fast.

I wasn't looking for an argument so sorry if it came across as that.

I just wanted to say that there have been times for positivity along the years for GNR (I should know they got me into the band).

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Just now, GNR_RNR said:

 

 

Y'know this is going nowhere fast.

I wasn't looking for an argument so sorry if it came across as that.

I just wanted to say that there have been times for positivity along the years for GNR (I should know they got me into the band).

Many of us agree and we've posted about them tons of times when they've happened. That doesn't change the fact that those positive things have been few and far between. It also doesn't change the fact that many other bands are far more respectful of their bands and it certainly doesn't change the fact that the relationship between TB and the fans is their own doong, not the fault of the fans who've done nothing but try to support them. 

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2 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

I just wanted to say that there have been times for positivity along the years for GNR (I should know they got me into the band).

Here's the thing, we aren't saying it has all been doom and gloom either. I personally spent a couple of years dedicating many hours to finding out all sorts of news about this band. This band has given me more smiles per miles than anything else in the world, and for that im eternally grateful. 

But, 

there comes a time (much like our current U.S. political climate) where you look around and go "what is really going on here?" 

And what I see really going on here isn't much worth it to me anymore. My value as a fan can be better used somewhere else until GNR as an entity (and hopefully our government) gets their shit together.  

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20 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

Is this dude ^ serious??

The fact of the matter is GNR doesn’t have enough material or enough reasons to forgive them for the bullshit they keep laying on us compared to a band like Metallica. in fact, Metallica fucked over the whole music industry, and was STILL able to do all of the things I just mentioned in a post-napster world. 
 

Also, if you knew anything about me and my presence on this website, you’d know I sucked off Axl and his circus for the last 10+ years. But I guess now because my opinion has changed due to recent events, I’ve gone full throat choke on Metallica’s pipe.

 

maybe im sick of sucking people off, and now its time for me to get sucked off. Ever think of that? 

Hey now! Quit with the 'sucking off' rhetoric.

This is a family friendly band, for goodness sake!

19 hours ago, GNR_RNR said:

So why are Metallica's pro-shots worthy of praise but not GNR's?

Just seems like a double standard because you want to have a whine. 

And I wouldn't list myself as a casual fan, I'm just a realist as to how the output of legacy acts is treated.

 

Not the fans,  just some on this forum.

As with everything there are reasons to be critical but there are users on here that are just never happy, and in turn this is why TB stopped caring about here because no matter what they did it just got derided.

 

Bullshit. Name even one fan on here who's 100% negative.

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