Covid-19 Thread

[EvanG]

13 minutes ago, action said:

what image do you have in your mind, when you think about the concept "scientist"?

I shouldn't have to explain what a scientist is. You already know. Everyone does.
In the case of the Covid vaccines. It has been proven that they help prevent getting ill and spreading this virus. That is for me enough to get vaccinated. You either don't believe this because you read online that it's not true, even though there is scientific proof, you're afraid, or you simply don't care. I think that is what it really comes down to and there's nothing else to add to that.

[action]

1 hour ago, EvanG said:

I shouldn't have to explain what a scientist is. You already know. Everyone does.
In the case of the Covid vaccines. It has been proven that they help prevent getting ill and spreading this virus. That is for me enough to get vaccinated. You either don't believe this because you read online that it's not true, even though there is scientific proof, you're afraid, or you simply don't care. I think that is what it really comes down to and there's nothing else to add to that.

you are a good citizen, the state can be proud of you

you believe what you are "told" on television, and you do not look around the internet for different opinions.

You also help in containing other citizens who look further than their nose, so that's even more social credit points for you.

it's a way of life I guess. when you unconditionally believe everything the state tells you, you do not need to exhaust yourself with thinking too much. We have all received a brain with birth, but what a crazy thought we should use it. the state thinks for us. the state is always right, even when it's wrong.

everyone who thinks for themselves, is either afraid, or paranoid. 

[EvanG]

8 minutes ago, action said:

you believe what you are "told" on television, and you do not look around the internet for different opinions.

Why is everything always black or white with you without any nuance?
I believe in scientific evidence because I'm not an idiot.

9 minutes ago, action said:

everyone who thinks for themselves, is either afraid, or paranoid. 

Bullshit. 

[Scream of the Butterfly]

I know it's not the same for everyone, but my experiences with not only vaccines but medicine in general have been almost invariably bad. I've learned the hard way that just because a doctor prescribes you with something doesn't mean that it's actually good for you. At some point you have to cut your losses and "do your own research" when you can't afford any more damage to your health by following the advise of experts. At this point I don't trust the pharma industry much more than I trust the tobacco industry when it comes to lung cancer or the oil industry when it comes to climate change. When there's money to be made, the truth tends to bend.

Maybe it's part of the problem that the level of expertise of many medical practitioners really isn't all that great. It's happened to me occasionally that I knew some medical fact better than the doctor did and the doctor had to use Google (or whatever search engine) to confirm what I was telling them. One time a doctor had never even heard of a disease I had been diagnosed with by another doctor. He had to google it and read out loud what was on his screen, which wasn't of much help because I had of course already googled it myself. It was a disease that supposedly impacts 1 out of 2000 people, so not even extremely rare. Later on I came to the conclusion that I didn't even have the disease so the first doctor was also wrong. My symptoms were most likely caused by medication I was on at the time because they stopped when I stopped taking that medication. And this was just one of many bad experiences that I've had with doctors and medication.

 

[SoulMonster]

24 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

Maybe it's part of the problem that the level of expertise of many medical practitioners really isn't all that great. It's happened to me occasionally that I knew some medical fact better than the doctor did and the doctor had to use Google (or whatever search engine) to confirm what I was telling them. One time a doctor had never even heard of a disease I had been diagnosed with by another doctor. He had to google it and read out loud what was on his screen, which wasn't of much help because I had of course already googled it myself. It was a disease that supposedly impacts 1 out of 2000 people, so not even extremely rare. Later on I came to the conclusion that I didn't even have the disease so the first doctor was also wrong. My symptoms were most likely caused by medication I was on at the time because they stopped when I stopped taking that medication. And this was just one of many bad experiences that I've had with doctors and medication.

This is certainly true. General practitioners only have surface level knowledge on most diseases. It has to be that way. Then they should send you to specialists. 

[EvanG]

That is why not everything is either black or white. There are millions of people around the world who can't function or live a somewhat normal life without their medication.

[action]

10 minutes ago, EvanG said:

That is why not everything is either black or white. There are millions of people around the world who can't function or live a somewhat normal life without their medication.

I'm not really sure what you mean with "not everything is either black or white"

you need to make a decision, you look up information, you decide if you're gonna go for white, black or yellow. but you need to make a decision between those colors, eventually.

it's all well and good, claiming not everything is black and white, but you run the risk of becoming indecisive this way.

my choice may not be your choice, and in this sense not everything is black or white, but to me the choice is very defined and real, and I've not regret it since the start of the pandemic

[EvanG]

9 minutes ago, action said:

I'm not really sure what you mean with "not everything is either black or white"

I have seen you go from one extreme to the complete opposite with several topics on here through the years without much nuance. It doesn't go unnoticed. 

[action]

1 minute ago, EvanG said:

I have seen you go from one extreme to the complete opposite with several topics on here through the years without much nuance. It doesn't go unnoticed. 

that's your problem, not mine.

 

[EvanG]

1 minute ago, action said:

that's your problem, not mine.

Not my problem at all, just pointing out why I mentioned that you're very black or white.

[action]

1 minute ago, EvanG said:

 I mentioned that you're very black or white.

yeah, I guess I am

[ZoSoRose]

On 11/24/2022 at 9:10 AM, action said:

 

also, there is proof of advanced civilisations even older than that, with nuclear capabilities, having caused nuclear winter all over the planet

 

Lmao

[action]

2 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Lmao

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/thedanispost/researchers-find-proof-of-ancient-atomic-war-a-great-many-years-prior/

there's archaeological evidence of a nuclear war, thousands of years ago:

In the territory of Rajasthan in northwestern India, a layer of exceptionally radioactive cinder was found close Jodhpur, which was sufficient to warrant an examination. Afterward, the old remnants of Harappa toward the north and Mohenjo-Daro toward the west were uncovered in Pakistan, where proof of an atomic blast going back a great many years prior was found.

Mohenjo-Daro was worked around 2500 BC and was rediscovered during the 1920s. The site experienced noteworthy unearthings from that point forward.

At the point when the exhuming achieved road level, 44 skeletons were found dissipated all through the city, spread in the city, proposing that they had endured an unexpected and rough passing.

Certain zones of the site additionally indicated expanded dimensions of radioactivity.

English Indian analyst David Davenport observed proof of what gave off an impression of being the impact epicenter: a 50-yard sweep at the site, where all articles were found to have been intertwined and glassified—rocks had been dissolved by temperatures of around 1500 degrees C and transformed into a glass-like substance

[action]

1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

Assuming that's real; Meteorites can be radioactive(and 'I think' can create a glass like substance I can't remember the proper term) wouldn't an impacting radioactive meteorite be much more plausible?

if meterorites are radioactive, then this would be possible.

but aren't meterorites made of ice and rock?

uranium is radiactive, but "uranian" meteorites do not exist as far as I know

still, the evidence is there, and the explanation isn't so easy.

it has all the characteristics of a nuclear blast, and it's actually similiar to the hiroshima site (see the article) 

[action]

nope, most likely not a meteorite

https://www.quora.com/Do-meteorites-have-dangerous-levels-of-radioactivity

1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

"Scientists have long known that impacts from meteors convert silicates into a dense, amorphous phase known as shocked glass."

"Meteorites do contain radioactive elements, but not significantly more than any ordinary terrestrial rock."

This indicates to me that it was likely some sort of meteorite. This is just off Google btw I'm not an expert on this stuff.

I agree on the first remark: a meteor impact obviously causes a massive fireball

but in the meantime, I searched google too, and a meteor does not contain more radioactivity than your ordinary earth rock.

still, significant radiation levels were found at the impact site. it's there. food for thought. (or laugh it all away, like @ZoSoRose does)

[ZoSoRose]

6 minutes ago, action said:

nope, most likely not a meteorite

https://www.quora.com/Do-meteorites-have-dangerous-levels-of-radioactivity

I agree on the first remark: a meteor impact obviously causes a massive fireball

but in the meantime, I searched google too, and a meteor does not contain more radioactivity than your ordinary earth rock.

still, significant radiation levels were found at the impact site. it's there. food for thought. (or laugh it all away, like @ZoSoRose does)

 

I think this is my favorite of your posts

[SoulMonster]

There are no archeological evidence supporting this myth. It is made up. The article referenced is just a blog. Stop engaging with morons. 

[action]

6 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

If it's not unheard of for meteorites to be at least 'somewhat' radioactive, then it makes more sense to me that it could've just been a peculiarly radioactive meteorite that impacted and created shocked glass.

A distressingly large amount of human history is lost, no doubt there are lost civilizations, many things lost. It's tempting to jump the gun and fill in the blanks with something more interesting. Fun to think about even if untrue.

An example of this is ancient structures like the Great Pyramids or Stone Henge, when people say "What makes it even more confusing is that this type of rock can't be found in this area." And I think, "what if you used to be able to find it in the area and they used it all which is what we're looking at."

no pharaoh was ever found in one of the great pyramids.

pharaohs are buried in the valley of kings.

the use of the pyramids is still a mystery. 

the three great pyramids are aligned according to the orion constellation. 

there is a void within the pyramid as large as the statue of liberty, which is inaccessible.

they were once covered in limestone and looked fucking spectacular:

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

Calm down jeez lol.

You have your own kooky beliefs anyway.

There are three good reasons why it can't be correct:

1. It comes from a guy with little knowledge or capacity for thinking and a known history of just posting stuff for the shits and giggles. 

2. If there was any validity to it, it would be all over the news and not just found at blogs. 

3. It has been properly debunked: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4541

Btw, why are you still here? 

[action]

41 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Are you 100% certain of that? I'm sure I remember being taught that Tutankhamun or someone was found in one of the pyriamids???

Things like the accurate celestial allignmemts are surprising, yes.

Was the limestone stolen?

I should read more about ancient Egypt it's always interested me.

what you probably heard, was that in the biggest pyramid, an inscription of "khufu" was found.

this was the only concrete piece of proof, to label the big pyramid, the pyramid of khufu.

litterally no other historical inscription, refers to this pyramid as the great pyramid of khufu.

the inscription was most likely a falsification from the "discoverer" of the pyramid of khufu.

hard to tell what happened to the limestone. probably looted.

the sphinx is even more puzzling. it has water damage. it probably dates from 12.000 years ago (ice age, explaining the water damage). more than 5000 years older than believed in mainstream archaeology.

[action]

in school, they teach you that the pyramids were built with sticks and man power.

if you stand before the pyramids, and you look up, and you try to imagine that there's people up there, carrying stones that weigh more than a car, with sticks, then I have to laugh. it's litterally violating the laws of physics for these buildings to be made with primitive methods. archaeology acts like gravity does not exist

[janrichmond]

[ZoSoRose]

It’s almost stunning that people are this stupid, but here we are. Nuclear war occurred in ancient times and science can’t be trusted. Brilliant 

[action]

"if it was true, it would be all over the news"

=> biggest logical fallacy I have ever seen written on here

it's litterally the way 80 year old people think (and probably why this group is so easily tricked by thelephone scams).

[Dazey]

1 hour ago, action said:

"if it was true, it would be all over the news"

=> biggest logical fallacy I have ever seen written on here

it's litterally the way 80 year old people think (and probably why this group is so easily tricked by thelephone scams).