Free Bird Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Blackstar said: I think Slash said only that he should have gotten credit for the guitar work he did on Axl's piano songs. Izzy said he got the due credits for what he wrote. So it's basically Duff who probably felt under-credited. Slash mentioned NR and Estranged I think as examples iirc. I can't tell for sure. But he talked about Don't Cry being a band effort and also said things like Locomotive was written with Izzy which he didn't got credit for or that credits were given randomly when Axl and Izzy weren't even there during the sessions in Chicago. Based on what I read over the years and from listening to the songs I feel like the information on the liner notes isn't as accurate as I first thought. But like I said... what is songwriting, what is song structure? I think a band like GNR which is bigger than the sum of their members and where everybody is involved in creating the songs, crediting everyone is probably the best thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted November 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Free Bird said: Slash mentioned NR and Estranged I think as examples iirc. I can't tell for sure. But he talked about Don't Cry being a band effort and also said things like Locomotive was written with Izzy which he didn't got credit for or that credits were given randomly when Axl and Izzy weren't even there during the sessions in Chicago. Based on what I read over the years and from listening to the songs I feel like the information on the liner notes isn't as accurate as I first thought. But like I said... what is songwriting, what is song structure? I think a band like GNR which is bigger than the sum of their members and where everybody is involved in creating the songs, crediting everyone is probably the best thing to do. I don't know, but I don't think Axl determined those credits on his own. I guess Duff should have gotten credits for Don't Damn Me and Garden Of Eden, and a bigger share for Get In The Ring if he was credited only for the part of the lyrics he wrote (which we don't know), since they were among the songs written in Chicago. I don't remember if Slash mentioned Don't Cry, but we have proof that it was fully written before he was in the band - of course his leads and solo elevated the song (Tracii's solo was dreadful), but it was a completed, fully structured song. As far as I know, what counts as songwriting, strictly speaking, is chord progression, riffs, lyrics and melodies. The rest, like writing instrumental parts on an existing composition, are considered arrangement and accompaniment. However, arrangement can transform a song significantly and that's why many bands take it into account when they split the credits. I remember reading about the case of Procol Harum's A Whiter Shade Of Pale: the organist wasn't given a co-writing credit, went to court years later on the grounds that the organ was a very important part of the song, and won the lawsuit. Edited November 10, 2022 by Blackstar 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 What time will it be released? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, TheDemocracyRose said: What time will it be released? I guess at midnight according to each region's timezone. So in New Zealand it should be released 4 hours from now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 55 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I don't know, but I don't think Axl determined those credits on his own. I guess Duff should have gotten credits for Don't Damn Me and Garden Of Eden, and a bigger share for Get In The Ring if he was credited only for the part of the lyrics he wrote (which we don't know), since they were among the songs written in Chicago. I don't remember if Slash mentioned Don't Cry, but we have proof that it was fully written before he was in the band - of course his leads and solo elevated the song (Tracii's solo was dreadful), but it was a completed, fully structured song. As far as I know, what counts as songwriting, strictly speaking, is chord progression, riffs, lyrics and melodies. The rest, like writing instrumental parts on an existing composition, are considered arrangement and accompaniment. However, arrangement can transform a song significantly and that's why many bands take it into account when they split the credits. I remember reading about the case of Procol Harum's A Whiter Shade Of Pale: the organist wasn't given a co-writing credit, went to court years later on the grounds that the organ was a very important part of the song, and won the lawsuit. I think Slash said Don't Cry was the first song they have worked on as a band. That doesn't mean necessarily that it was written as a band but that statement leaves room for negotiations. To a professional musician this might be simple but to me it's not as easy to understand. Like when Slash gets thanked for the guitar melodies in Estranged then I think he's written them. Melodies are part of the songwriting... but he wasn't credited as a songwriter in the liner notes. The solos on NR were just solos and solos aren't considered songwriting but they're essential to the song and there's clearly guitar interplay during the verses which could be songwriting... There's no clear rule to what is an arrangement and what is songwriting... yeah I know you listed some elements but it's overlapping at times. Claptons Layla was rearranged and became a completely different song when it was played unplugged. Arrangement can change everything. I just don't get where the borderline is but that's probably because I don't play instruments myself and have no clue about music theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Blackstar said: I guess at midnight according to each region's timezone. So in New Zealand it should be released 4 hours from now. Will it be on streaming services like YouTube auto-generated and Spotify? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Would be great if they're gonna stream the Ritz show on Netflix or Amazon Prime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicson Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) When I search on google all the tracks appear on you tube already. The Ritz & Las Vegas. But they are not available in my country. I suppose they are available in New Zeeland only. Even the bonus tracks from London, Paris and Rio appear. Edited November 10, 2022 by vicson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, vicson said: When I search on google all the tracks appear on you tube already. The Ritz & Las Vegas. But they are not available in my country. I suppose they are available in New Zeeland only. Even the bonus tracks from London, Paris and Rio appear. can you give me a link? I know it's useless for me but i want to try somethin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicson Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) you have to search on goole : las vegas 1992 or new york 1991 and set the search in the last 24 hours Edited November 10, 2022 by vicson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJosh Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I can see the results but none play even using VPN for New Zealand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StrangerInThisTown Posted November 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) Holy shit I actually won a ticket to the Berlin Ritz showing, can’t believe it. I’ll be there in 7 hours in my Axl UYI shirt, life’s so strange. I’m so stoked to be seeing this on the big screen! Edited November 10, 2022 by StrangerInThisTown 14 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSlashrose Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 They are putting on some channels on the Internet full HD snippets of San Diego and Indiana, with quality not seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said: Holy shit I actually won a ticket to the Berlin Ritz showing, can’t believe it. I’ll be there in 7 hours in my Axl UYI shirt, life’s so strange. I’m so stoked to be seeing this on the big screen! 3 minutes ago, TheSlashrose said: They are putting on some channels on the Internet full HD snippets of San Diego and Indiana, with quality not seen before. Where are you seeing this? Indiana 91 is awesome! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) some interesting stuff about lengh: Live And Let Die - NY '91 on UYI I Disc 2 is 3:24 long Live And Let Die - NY '91 on SDE Disc 3 is 5:19 long it seems Axl talking about LALD is cut on CD2 bonus tracks For Drum Solo Fans: Drum Solo New York: 4:52 Drum Solo Las Vegas including band introduction: 6:35 Drum Solo Paris: 7:22 Wild Horses Paris is 3:18 Sail Away Sweet Sister is 1:10 No hidden tracks like Patience or Sweet Child O' Mine :-( Double Talkin' Jive London: 5:33, so no dedication to some magazines like Kerrang 15 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said: Holy shit I actually won a ticket to the Berlin Ritz showing, can’t believe it. I’ll be there in 7 hours in my Axl UYI shirt, life’s so strange. I’m so stoked to be seeing this on the big screen! HERZLICHEN GLÜCKWUNSCH. würde ja mitkommen wenn die Aufführung auch mit Tickets zu kaufen gibt aber auf der Cinestar Seite sehe ich nichts. Ich gönne dir das. VIEL SPAß :--) Edited November 10, 2022 by t-p-d-a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinese stew Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I hope you can actually hear Izzys guitar in the mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elektra_reghaired Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, UncleJosh said: I can see the results but none play even using VPN for New Zealand. I can listen to all of them using VPN for New Zealand, but only when I am signed out from my Youtube account. Sounds really good. Edited November 10, 2022 by elektra_reghaired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, chinese stew said: I hope you can actually hear Izzys guitar in the mix. I hope you can actually see Izzy Stradlin in the film I have fear that Izzy Stradlin gets less screen time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon87 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said: Holy shit I actually won a ticket to the Berlin Ritz showing, can’t believe it. I’ll be there in 7 hours in my Axl UYI shirt, life’s so strange. I’m so stoked to be seeing this on the big screen! Awesome! Glückwunsch! BTW, I got a response from the local Cinestar cinema, the regional manager or whatever he's called said that there are no such events or more screenings planned. Edited November 10, 2022 by Spoon87 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillBailey Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said: I hope you can actually see Izzy Stradlin in the film I have fear that Izzy Stradlin gets less screen time You can see him fine dont worry. Especially during Dust N' Bones of course, You Ain't The First or Double Talkin Jive. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJosh Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, elektra_reghaired said: I can listen to all of them using VPN for New Zeland, but only when I am signed out from my Youtube account. Sounds really good. Holy shit this worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic Reducer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said: For Drum Solo Fans: Just say Matt Sorum lol Edited November 10, 2022 by Sonic Reducer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJosh Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 RQ with rhythm guitar! Untouched vocals! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, UncleJosh said: RQ with rhythm guitar! Untouched vocals! how are the vocals? was this so bad, that he needs to re-recording his vocals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinese stew Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I heard Axl's bulge steals the show. Lots of close ups in HD 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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