ryanf23 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 American Ninja 2 movie came out on May 1, 1987 before the release of AFD. in the 7 minute mark of the movie, while a car is driving they are playing Move to the City is this common knowledge amongst the gnr fans? At this point, only Live Like A Suicide was released locally in LA. wonder how this song ended up in the movie? 3 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I'm remembering this film scene. It was one of these stupid movies with Michael Dudikoff but I never realized that the movie was released prior to AFD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Free Bird said: I'm remembering this film scene. It was one of these stupid movies with Michael Dudikoff but I never realized that the movie was released prior to AFD Does Dudikoff mean shithead in German? 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 No, as far as I know it has no meaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanf23 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 Definitely a cheesy movie but fun to watch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanf23 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 In the credits, it shows Izzy Stradlin, DJ and Chris Weber as the writers i assume DJ is Del James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Free Bird Posted April 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, ryanf23 said: In the credits, it shows Izzy Stradlin, DJ and Chris Weber as the writers i assume DJ is Del James DJ Ashba 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euchre Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 9 hours ago, ryanf23 said: In the credits, it shows Izzy Stradlin, DJ and Chris Weber as the writers i assume DJ is Del James This thing keeps coming up - I’m 90% sure DJ is not Del James. From my fading memory DJ was a bass player that was with Hollywood Rose or another of those early bands at some stage and only briefly. I’m also pretty sure Marc Canter confirmed this on the forum at some stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Euchre said: This thing keeps coming up - I’m 90% sure DJ is not Del James. From my fading memory DJ was a bass player that was with Hollywood Rose or another of those early bands at some stage and only briefly. I’m also pretty sure Marc Canter confirmed this on the forum at some stage. It is a bit confusing. In his biography, Steven mentions that a guy called DJ was playing bass in Hollywood Rose when he saw the band for the first time with Slash, and that he believed this bass player had also helped write the song. Yet, Del James is credited as one of the song writers. Thus, it is natural to assume DJ and Del James is the same person. But if it was Del James Steven saw playing bass with Hollywood Rose back then in 1984, wouldn't he later, when writing his biography, have realized it was James he had seen? Or was there really two people, Del James who helped write the song and DJ who played bass for a short time in Hollywood Rose? If Marc says confirmed the latter, then I need to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 One problem I just realized with all this. Del James moved to Los Angeles in '85 and quickly hooked up with the band and their friends. Yet, Move To The City was written in early 1984, or earlier (Slash and Steven saw Hollywood Rose play the song in February 1984, with DJ playing bass). So maybe Del James didn't help write the song at all, it was this guy DJ and at some point someone made the mistake of thinkin git stood for Del James? Can someone confirm that in the liner notes to LIve Like A Suicide or LIES, that "Del James" is listed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LlamaRenegade Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: One problem I just realized with all this. Del James moved to Los Angeles in '85 and quickly hooked up with the band and their friends. Yet, Move To The City was written in early 1984, or earlier (Slash and Steven saw Hollywood Rose play the song in February 1984, with DJ playing bass). So maybe Del James didn't help write the song at all, it was this guy DJ and at some point someone made the mistake of thinkin git stood for Del James? Can someone confirm that in the liner notes to LIve Like A Suicide or LIES, that "Del James" is listed? From a quick scan of Discogs, the name seems to be credited as D.J. on all vinyl issues of Lies as well as LLAS. If D.J. does stand for Del James, why isn't he credited in the ISWC or BMI writing credit databases? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoulMonster Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, LlamaRenegade said: From a quick scan of Discogs, the name seems to be credited as D.J. on all vinyl issues of Lies as well as LLAS. If D.J. does stand for Del James, why isn't he credited in the ISWC or BMI writing credit databases? Thank you!! This fits with Marc Canter, Steven's quote. Some guy called DJ played in Hollywood Rose in the early days and helped write MTTC. Del James has nothing to do with this. I will correct my database. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Yes, there is no credit for Del James on the performing rights organizations databases (ASCAP, BMI, etc.). It's only the five GN'R members and Chris Weber. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, SoulMonster said: Del James has nothing to do with this seems to be his comfort zone but he said he was pretty wild back in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Where exactly is the confusion on to how the song ended up in the movie? The song was released on an ep many months prior to the film being released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ryanf23 Posted April 10, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said: Where exactly is the confusion on to how the song ended up in the movie? The song was released on an ep many months prior to the film being released. Okay so let’s break down the time frame: LLAS- released in December 1986 (near Christmas) American Ninja 2 - released May 1, 1987 - which means, the inclusion of the song was added to the movie prior to May 1st safe assumption is between December 1986 when a limited number of LLAS was released locally in LA by a popular band on the LA scene but unknown everywhere else in the world, and the finalization of the movie production probably happened around January-March 1987 the question isn’t one of confusion but one of curiosity…. How did an unknown LA band (there were thousands of unknown bands) end up getting their song in this relatively small B-movie? who that worked on American Ninja 2 knew of Gnr or this song and decided to add MTTC? That’s the curiosity question I have not the logistics of how it’s possible - of course it was possible as LLAS was released like you said 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Loved this song back in the 80s. And it's funny that this movie was one of my first VHS rentals back in the day, but I don't really remember to recognize the song being played. I was a stupid kid, though. Now I'm just stupid. 9 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said: This is hilarious, especially because it's the Brazilian Portuguese dub from the 80s, which have a very nostalgic and particular sound quality to me. Thanks for posting it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanf23 Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: Loved this song back in the 80s. And it's funny that this movie was one of my first VHS rentals back in the day, but I don't really remember to recognize the song being played. I was a stupid kid, though. Now I'm just stupid. This is hilarious, especially because it's the Brazilian Portuguese dub from the 80s, which have a very nostalgic and particular sound quality to me. Thanks for posting it. Most likely, you saw the first American Ninja which was more popular in the VHS stores. MTTC appeared in American Ninja 2 which was less popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LlamaRenegade Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 10 hours ago, Blackstar said: Yes, there is no credit for Del James on the performing rights organizations databases (ASCAP, BMI, etc.). It's only the five GN'R members and Chris Weber. The liner notes of the Appetite Super Deluxe only list the song as “Written by Guns N’ Roses and Chris Weber”. It sounds to me like they couldn’t figure out the identity of D.J. and thought it would be easier to remove his credit completely. I wonder how much money this D.J. guy has missed out on royalties over the years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted April 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, LlamaRenegade said: The liner notes of the Appetite Super Deluxe only list the song as “Written by Guns N’ Roses and Chris Weber”. It sounds to me like they couldn’t figure out the identity of D.J. and thought it would be easier to remove his credit completely. I wonder how much money this D.J. guy has missed out on royalties over the years. Axl has been fastidious in listing song writers. For a song on UYIs a guy called Billy had participated in the writing. Axl did not remember the last name so he was credited as simply "Billy". Years later, the sister of the late Billy McCloud (?) thanked Axl for having insisted on crediting her brother despite not remembering his last name, which resulted in his kids getting royalties (McCloud died from cancer). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Axl has been fastidious in listing song writers. For a song on UYIs a guy called Billy had participated in the writing. Axl did not remember the last name so he was credited as simply "Billy". Years later, the sister of the late Billy McCloud (?) thanked Axl for having insisted on crediting her brother despite not remembering his last name, which resulted in his kids getting royalties (McCloud died from cancer). It was Yesterdays: https://www.a-4-d.com/t122-yesterdays#140 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Another example of Axl being careful to get credits right, was Chinese Democracy. If I remember correctly, Chris Pitman was tasked with making sure everyone was listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Another example of Axl being careful to get credits right, was Chinese Democracy. If I remember correctly, Chris Pitman was tasked with making sure everyone was listed. didn't Axl complement Paul Huge saying how he remembered which musician contributed and what to Chinese? Edited April 10, 2022 by Rovim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, Rovim said: didn't Axl complement Paul Huge saying how he remembered which musician contributed and what to Chinese? Yeah, it was Huge! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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