SoulMonster Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 Here's a tough question. I would like to know when Robin stopped playing the first solo of November Rain and Richard started playing it. Ideally down to the exact show, but I would also be happy just to know what year this happened. Anyone got such control over the live shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We love Axl Rose Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SoulMonster said: Here's a tough question. I would like to know when Robin stopped playing the first solo of November Rain and Richard started playing it. Ideally down to the exact show, but I would also be happy just to know what year this happened. Anyone got such control over the live shows? Now I looked on YouTube and Richard played solo on every show in 2006 that i found (Hammerstein 1st night and 17th May, Lisboa, Dublin, KROQ Inland Invasion, etc.). Edited July 15, 2023 by We love Axl Rose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gordon Comstock Posted July 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2023 I think Tacoma 2002 was the first? Pretty sure Robin played it during all the European and Asian shows but Richard definitely played it on the NA shows. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We love Axl Rose Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: I think Tacoma 2002 was the first? Pretty sure Robin played it during all the European and Asian shows but Richard definitely played it on the NA shows. I totally forgot that he started it in 2002. I thought he started playing solo since the 2006 Hammerstein shows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianGNR Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 Yes, since the first US show in 2002 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK6 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Richards November rain solos were appalling! No feel at all. Just terrible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTK Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 10 hours ago, DK6 said: Richards November rain solos were appalling! No feel at all. Just terrible. The same as Slash on every single Chinese solo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashisGOD Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 3 hours ago, DSTK said: The same as Slash on every single Chinese solo Not TWAT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTK Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 1 hour ago, SlashisGOD said: Not TWAT He so does, one decent solo last time out ..but apart from that he's been worse than shit on TWAT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Slash will very rarely play a decent solo on TWAT or TIL, but the vast majority of his CD solos have been shit. At the very least they should let Richard do the solos on TWAT and the full solo on Street Of Dreams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashisGOD Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 I don’t mind Slash’s takes at all. He does his thing and usually they fit the song. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK6 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: Slash will very rarely play a decent solo on TWAT or TIL, but the vast majority of his CD solos have been shit. At the very least they should let Richard do the solos on TWAT and the full solo on Street Of Dreams. Nobody goes to a gnr concert to hear Richard Fortus play guitar solos. What a friggin joke! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, DK6 said: Nobody goes to a gnr concert to hear Richard Fortus play guitar solos. What a friggin joke! In a 3 hour show, why not? His solos on KOHD are nice, he was as good or better than Slash on Wish You Were Here, and his solos on CD and SOD are much better than Slash's. Sorry I don't just want to stand there going "OMG it's Slash, what an icon!!! Everything he touches is gold, I love Sweet Child O Mine and Guitar Hero!!!!!!" it's pretty obvious that Slash's playing is hit or miss these days. If Fortus sounds better on the CD solos then he should play the CD solos, Slash still gets plenty of spotlights throughout the show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabmmor Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 November 24th, 2002 - Cleveland, OH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson87 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, DK6 said: Nobody goes to a gnr concert to hear Richard Fortus play guitar solos. What a friggin joke! I'd much rather have Fortus play the TIL and TWAT solos than Slash. No disrespect to Slash but he noodles a lot over the CD songs and it's really hit or miss, especially if it's a Buckethead solo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, gabmmor said: November 24th, 2002 - Cleveland, OH Ah, so Fortus only played it for the 2nd half the tour. Columbus (the show after Cleveland) is the 2002 show I've watched and listened to the most, and I know Fortus played it at that show. Just looked up the video for Chicago 2002 and yea it's Robin playing the first solo. Thanks for clarifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacdaniel Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 While his solo on NR wasn't good at all, Richard really ruins the Nightrain vibe with that god awful solo he plays. I've seen Izzy, Gilby and Sidoris all do much better by keeping it simple. Richard has no tone at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK6 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: In a 3 hour show, why not? His solos on KOHD are nice, he was as good or better than Slash on Wish You Were Here, and his solos on CD and SOD are much better than Slash's. Sorry I don't just want to stand there going "OMG it's Slash, what an icon!!! Everything he touches is gold, I love Sweet Child O Mine and Guitar Hero!!!!!!" it's pretty obvious that Slash's playing is hit or miss these days. If Fortus sounds better on the CD solos then he should play the CD solos, Slash still gets plenty of spotlights throughout the show Sorry mate i just really don't rate his playing at all. I feel like he has no originality. One pf the highlights of this version of gnr for me has been hearing slashs take on the cd songs. I've never understood people wanting note for note versions of songs live - put a cd on and turn it up loud if that's what you're after! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 11 hours ago, DK6 said: Sorry mate i just really don't rate his playing at all. I feel like he has no originality. One pf the highlights of this version of gnr for me has been hearing slashs take on the cd songs. I've never understood people wanting note for note versions of songs live - put a cd on and turn it up loud if that's what you're after! Couldn't disagree more. It's not about playing note for note, just playing a good solo that fits the song, and Slash rarely does that on CD songs. Fortus sounds great on the few solos he plays though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 On 7/16/2023 at 9:25 PM, SlashisGOD said: I don’t mind Slash’s takes at all. He does his thing and usually they fit the song. Funny, cause many of us New-GNR fans also didn't mind Robin's takes on Slash's solos at all. But AFD fans were super annoyed. just saying hehe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 11 hours ago, DK6 said: Sorry mate i just really don't rate his playing at all. I feel like he has no originality. One pf the highlights of this version of gnr for me has been hearing slashs take on the cd songs. I've never understood people wanting note for note versions of songs live - put a cd on and turn it up loud if that's what you're after! Not even Bumblefoot played note for note. Thing is - it feels like he just doesn't give a shit about these songs. It's like he doesn't even try, every time he plays the TWAT solo, it feels like he's improvising, but in a bad way like he didn't take the time to learn it and is just going with the flow. Don't get me wrong, I love improv solos - I'm a huge fan of heavy psych and 11-min stoner rock songs but you gotta do it well - learn the key parts and improvise their bridges 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cosmo said: Not even Bumblefoot played note for note. Thing is - it feels like he just doesn't give a shit about these songs. It's like he doesn't even try, every time he plays the TWAT solo, it feels like he's improvising, but in a bad way like he didn't take the time to learn it and is just going with the flow. I don't blame Slash in his disconnect with the CD songs (although he seem to have one or two favorites) It's definitely evident after all these years and he's not interested. Alright, then why not giving the job to Richard for these. This boggles my mind. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 15 hours ago, jacdaniel said: While his solo on NR wasn't good at all, Richard really ruins the Nightrain vibe with that god awful solo he plays. I've seen Izzy, Gilby and Sidoris all do much better by keeping it simple. Richard has no tone at all. Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 It makes no sense. Give Fortus the CD solos. It won’t take away the fact that Slash is still the gnr guitar legend on stage. You gotta think Slash wouldn’t make a big deal of it being as he has so little interest in the solos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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