ZoSoRose Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) I can't help but laugh. Dude, I like Monsters (although both of these sound unfinished and are bad mixes), but The General is just... FUCK. A perfect lesson in anticipation and hype Edited October 27, 2023 by ZoSoRose 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedo Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Comparing the new version to the old phone bit they've definitely changed it a bit. On the old recording there's a little breakdown between the chorus and the solo where now they just roll into each other - kinda miss the Estranged vibe of that solo tbh but still kicks ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR4Ever2024 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) "One of my favorite songs is this song called 'The General', which is so... it's by far the heaviest metal tune I think ive ever heard Axl do, this slow, grinding riff with these high, piercing vocals, screaming vocals. [...] [Axl] goes, 'Well, this comes out on the third record. It relates to this song, it's a trilogy, this goes with this lyrically.'" (Baz, Metal Edge, 11/06/07) "[Bach] says Rose told him that a slow, grinding track called 'The General' is 'the sequel to [Use Your Illusion II's] 'Estranged,' that goes to the parable that Del James wrote of the trilogy' (James penned the short story that inspired the 'November Rain' video)." (Rolling Stone, 06/25/08)" So Baz was correct on the slow grinding riff, high vocals and screams. I don't see it as a sequel to estranged however Edited October 27, 2023 by GNR4Ever2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitstuai Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Caedo said: Comparing the new version to the old phone bit they've definitely changed it a bit. On the old recording there's a little breakdown between the chorus and the solo where now they just roll into each other - kinda miss the Estranged vibe of that solo tbh but still kicks ass Because the leaks are previous versions to the one they played live in 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miden34 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) nvm lul Edited October 27, 2023 by Miden34 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 The debate of if this is the Slash version or if its a demo, is it possible it is both? Quite some time has passed since 2021 or whenever Slash reworked these Chinese tunes, I can easily imagine rough mixed and unfinished bounced MP3s making their way to even one person who sent it to a friend, who sent it to another friend, and now the leaker is throwing us a bone cause of the vinyl delay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakDown2014 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Arnuld said: Monsters has got to be soul monster. The way Axl goes for it on the bridge is exactly what he described in those chats in 2008. Indeed! Hope we get some kind of confirmation someday that Monsters is indeed Soul Monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnuld Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Man The General is so dark…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Yeah, im pretty confident Soul Monster is Monsters. Names get shuffled around a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitstuai Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, WhazUp said: The debate of if this is the Slash version or if its a demo, is it possible it is both? Quite some time has passed since 2021 or whenever Slash reworked these Chinese tunes, I can easily imagine rough mixed and unfinished bounced MP3s making their way to even one person who sent it to a friend, who sent it to another friend, and now the leaker is throwing us a bone cause of the vinyl delay I think it's both, but it's clearly not the vinyl version (in my opinion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedo Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, kitstuai said: Because the leaks are previous versions to the one they played live in 2010 Nah that is clearly Slash on that track unless my ears are fucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR4Ever2024 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Leave Me Alone," "Seven," and "The General" could also feature on the new album. These three A-listed songs were worked on by Marco Beltrami, especially "Seven," which Marco deems as the best of the three songs. It has also been reported that Marco worked on a fourth track, "Thyme." However, this song was not worked on subsequent to Marco's work in October 2002. (Jeff Leeds, Sp1at website, 06/05) So is Monster seven or is it completely different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyMick3 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Arnuld said: Man The General is so dark…. I think both are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, GNR4Ever2024 said: Leave Me Alone," "Seven," and "The General" could also feature on the new album. These three A-listed songs were worked on by Marco Beltrami, especially "Seven," which Marco deems as the best of the three songs. It has also been reported that Marco worked on a fourth track, "Thyme." However, this song was not worked on subsequent to Marco's work in October 2002. (Jeff Leeds, Sp1at website, 06/05) So is Monster seven or is it completely different? I think Monsters is Leave Me Alone (which, as per Axl, was later renamed to Soul Monster). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitstuai Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Caedo said: Nah that is clearly Slash on that track unless my ears are fucked There's no way this recording was made after 2010. Like 0% chance. I don't know who played on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR4Ever2024 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Blackstar said: I think Monsters is Leave Me Alone (which, as per Axl, was later renamed to Soul Monster). So Seven is something we never heard? Yeah i think Monsters is leave me alone/soul montster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, WhazUp said: The debate of if this is the Slash version or if its a demo, is it possible it is both? Quite some time has passed since 2021 or whenever Slash reworked these Chinese tunes, I can easily imagine rough mixed and unfinished bounced MP3s making their way to even one person who sent it to a friend, who sent it to another friend, and now the leaker is throwing us a bone cause of the vinyl delay I think there is a weird in between here. No way these are final and ready for release, and it sounds like Bucket doing the General solo and Slash on Monsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR4Ever2024 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 i think Monsters was recorded 06. Sounds exactly like Axl back then the high screams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gunner55 Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Just poured the last of my good tequila for the first official listen (Kirkland tequila. Can't get in Canada where I am so it's the good stuff to me). Ive spent since what, 2007? Hearing about this song. I was 16. That's half my life. And I'm listening to it. Finally. Holy shit. I love it. It's nothing like I expected, but wow. I understand the B-side choice. I don't see casual fans accepting this. But I'm in love. I hope it's the slash version, cuz I feel the chorus of the general could sound like recent Axl, but it's entirely possible I just want to hear things. It was a long afternoon. I had them saved on my phone within 5 minutes of them leaking (got extremely lucky on checking), but I wasn't gunna let my first listen be through a phone speaker in the office. Glad I waited. Fuck this band. They show promise, let me down, I swear up and down to myself I'm over it, and they rope me back in. I'm ready for another round of disappointment and frustration. Edited October 27, 2023 by Gunner55 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnuld Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 This is the Greatest day. The General and Monsters (soul monster) unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said: I think there is a weird in between here. No way these are final and ready for release, and it sounds like Bucket doing the General solo and Slash on Monsters Yeah I agree that last solo in The General sounds so Buckethead-esque especially with the way Bucket's notes sound when he goes into fast runs. I am still unsure regarding the intro wah-wah part though, both Bucket and Slash both use wah pedals a ton in their phrasing and I keep going back-and-forth on that one lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, GNR4Ever2024 said: i think Monsters was recorded 06. Sounds exactly like Axl back then the high screams Been thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnuld Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gunner55 said: Just poured the last of my good tequila for the first official listen (Kirkland tequila. Can't get in Canada where I am so it's the good stuff to me). Ive spent since what, 2007? I was 16. That's half my life. And I'm listening to it. Finally. Holy shit. I love it. It's nothing like I expected, but wow. I understand the B-side choice. I don't see casual fans accepting this. But I'm in love. I hope it's the slash version, cuz I feel the chorus of the general could sound like recent Axl, but it's entirely possible I just want to hear things. It was a long afternoon. I had them saved on my phone within 5 minutes of them leaking (got extremely lucky on checking), but I wasn't gunna let my first listen be through a phone speaker in the office. Glad I waited. Fuck this band. They show promise, let me down, I swear up and down to myself I'm over it, and they rope me back in. I'm ready for another round of disappointment and frustration. This shit is not for casual fan. This is like a 2020s version of The Garden and Coma 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansidhe Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gunner55 said: Just poured the last of my good tequila for the first official listen (Kirkland tequila. Can't get in Canada where I am so it's the good stuff to me). Ive spent since what, 2007? I was 16. That's half my life. And I'm listening to it. Finally. Holy shit. I love it. It's nothing like I expected, but wow. I understand the B-side choice. I don't see casual fans accepting this. But I'm in love. I hope it's the slash version, cuz I feel the chorus of the general could sound like recent Axl, but it's entirely possible I just want to hear things. It was a long afternoon. I had them saved on my phone within 5 minutes of them leaking (got extremely lucky on checking), but I wasn't gunna let my first listen be through a phone speaker in the office. Glad I waited. Fuck this band. They show promise, let me down, I swear up and down to myself I'm over it, and they rope me back in. I'm ready for another round of disappointment and frustration. Pretty much the same scenario for me. Had been home most the day, nipped out for food when they surfaced. Waited until I got back home, good headphones, quality local beer and a single malt poured then got them cranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miden34 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Arnuld said: This shit is not for casual fan. This is like a 2020s version of The Garden and Coma first time i got drunk off jack daniels i was listening to the garden xD i was 17 bro. good times... gooooood times Coma... used to sneak smoke weed out my window listening to that xD Edited October 27, 2023 by Miden34 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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