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9 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

Honestly... I think all this talk about "needing" a woman is really overrated. If I had to take a guess at what Axl might have "needed", I would say that he needed a friend. Just a friend, one who was not at all involved in the band business and gave somewhat of a shit about Axl as a person only. But Axl didn't have that, probably due to his own actions.

As far as bandmates go, I really doubt that they give much thought to the wives and girlfriends (or at least they didn't back in the 80s and 90s). I really doubt that they care much beyond music and band business, and I imagine that the only time they would find it frustrating would be to the degree that it affects the band and that's all. As I recall, Axl was the only one that would actively talk about his personal life much to the annoyance of the others.

Finally, with regards to romance, I vaguely recall an obscure reviewer/critic who hypothesised that Axl is in love with the idea of romance, but not in love himself. I am of the opinion that this best explains why non of Axl's romantic pursuits "stuck".

So yeah, that's just my opinion...

Oh, that was just my 'knee-jerk reaction' and I was being tongue-in-cheek hence the Sorry lyric - shoulda put my laughing emoji sooner.  I know what you mean, and I didn't mean to come off as Man-Needs-Woman to be complete or whatever.  But I do sincerely believe that everyone needs someone in their lives, some significant other, some close companion - even if platonic - to see them through.  From personal experience and from what I've seen others go through, I firmly believe that.  But that's just my world view obviously, who knows, maybe Axl is just fine on his own.

Duff and Slash still seem to hang out and their partners seem to be genuine friends, if what they communicate on social media is accurate, so that's nice.  And yeah, that's an intriguing theory about Axl being in love with the idea of romance.  I also think he'd just be an all round difficult person to be with in a romantic capacity, which wouldn't do him any favours.

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11 hours ago, Blackstar said:

It looks like this picture was taken at the same place (a guitar exhibition or something) as another one we had discussed, where Axl looked pretty sad and there was this story with a woman supposedly "ordering" him to take a picture with her daughter.

They took the picture away now, the person who posted it deleted it. It wasn't on a private account or anything :shrugs:

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@MillionsOfSpiders I love your new profile pic :wub:. It's from Prague :headbang:

He's drinking a real beer not the Czechvar thing they have in the States :max:

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28 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

@MillionsOfSpiders I love your new profile pic :wub:. It's from Prague :headbang:

He's drinking a real beer not the Czechvar thing they have in the States :max:

I stole the pic from @Hejanne everyone else steals her photos so I thought I might as well do it too :) 

 

14 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

@MillionsOfSpiders Tiny Axl in a jar is gone! I loved him so :heart:

Yeah, I feel kinda bad for replacing him with beer guzzling Axl :lol:

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2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

@MillionsOfSpiders I love your new profile pic :wub:. It's from Prague :headbang:

He's drinking a real beer not the Czechvar thing they have in the States :max:

What is he drinking?

32 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

From the Apollo gig, why on earth he have to use so many things at once?

Im getting bored of those shirts tied to waist.... besides, wtf, why are they so long?? Its starting to look like a dress or a piece of cloth for the table :facepalm:

If you pay attention to his pictures from the 80s, he's always wore loads of crap..... looks like he's not going to give up on that :shrugs:

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44 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Im getting bored of those shirts tied to waist.... besides, wtf, why are they so long?? Its starting to look like a dress or a piece of cloth for the table :facepalm:

If you pay attention to his pictures from the 80s, he's always wore loads of crap..... looks like he's not going to give up on that :shrugs:

Jaja is true! remember that thing that the catchers use in baseball? that vest with the kilt and his police hat...marvelous!

Apparently they are in St Louis Sucks!!! they had a bad flight (a signal??:nervous:)

 

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3 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Yeah, I feel kinda bad for replacing him with beer guzzling Axl :lol:

On the other hand beer drinking Axl is happy Axl :lol:.

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

What is he drinking?

He's drinking Budweiser Budvar (Budějovický Budvar), Czech beer with a long tradition. It is sold in the USA under the brand name Czechvar which makes me cringe since it's a combination of an English and a Czech word :facepalm:. - "CZECH" + "pivoVAR" (brewery)

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Výsledek obrázku pro budweiser budvar

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(Duffy, you ex King of Beer, don't you look a bit jealous in the background? :rofl-lol:)

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1 hour ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

Jaja is true! remember that thing that the catchers use in baseball? that vest with the kilt and his police hat...marvelous!

lol you laugh in Spanish :ph34r:

Yes, I remember that outfit :drool: It didn't look so bad, though. He was young and beautiful. He could have been wearing a turd above his head and it would have still looked good :lol:

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LOL Melissa, she's so exaggerated :laugh:

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

He's drinking Budweiser Budvar (Budějovický Budvar), Czech beer with a long tradition. It is sold in the USA under the brand name Czechvar which makes me cringe since it's a combination of an English and a Czech word :facepalm:. - "CZECH" + "pivoVAR" (brewery)

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Výsledek obrázku pro budweiser budvar

gAkbagS.gif

(Duffy, you ex King of Beer, don't you look a bit jealous in the background? :rofl-lol:)

Is Budweiser a Czech brand? I didn't know :question:

Ok, so the one sold in the USA is it fake or the same thing just under another name?

Omg, yes!!!! Duff looks like he's drooling in the background :rofl-lol: and he's even cleaning his drool!!! :cry: :lol:

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2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

gAkbagS.gif

(Duffy, you ex King of Beer, don't you look a bit jealous in the background? :rofl-lol:)

Aaahhh, refreshing.  :lol:

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I think he would be a loving father. I think, though, that he may have given up the idea, seeing as how he seems more into intelligent models that a serious relationship. I wonder if he would ever even be able to get turned on by a regular woman...I don't want to think he is shallow. He's too intelligent for that. But most of what I have seen makes me think he is...

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1 hour ago, money honey said:

That is an appalling prospect, mostly because it's not unlikely. If he stays single and childless, I hope he leaves all his money to animals' charities. 

But it's still a lot of money for charities. There's no way Beta is not in his will yet. I'm sure she is.

1 hour ago, money honey said:

I think so too. Nobody needs to be perfect to be a parent. He would certainly have the financial side sorted. With the benefit of years now, he'd be as good a father as anyone.

Even though the financial side is important, I still don't think it is the main thing you need to raise a child. No one is perfect, of course, but I believe there are some traits that you certainly need to be a good parent and I'm not sure he has them. You need lots of patience, love and a will to stop being the center of your own life. You have to devote your time to someone else, fill their needs and help them, guide them through life.

1 hour ago, Fang said:

Hi all! I'm new, but I have been lurking for years. I love the women's thread. Gonna hopefully see GN'R in South Carolina soon, if I can afford to. I've already seen them three times, and have always been in the front, but so far have not been able to get Axl to notice me :(

 

19 minutes ago, Fang said:

I think he would be a loving father. I think, though, that he may have given up the idea, seeing as how he seems more into intelligent models that a serious relationship. I wonder if he would ever even be able to get turned on by a regular woman...I don't want to think he is shallow. He's too intelligent for that. But most of what I have seen makes me think he is...

Hi and welcome! :)

He seems pretty shallow to me.... telling by the kind of people he surrounds himself with :shrugs:

Looks like he cannot have what Duff and Slash have... a bond with women closer in age and not kids that could be their daughters. Axl seems to be looking more for admirers and adorers, rather than an equal person with whom share a life project. It is very difficult to project things with younger people, unless they are willing to adapt to the life of an older person with all the obstacles and issues that it brings. Not many are willing to do that and much less in our days, when most women have conquered a level of freedom they are not willing to compromise for some guy.

 

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On 25.7.2017 at 9:46 PM, Georgina Arriaga said:

Fuuuuuuuuck

That is not fucking normal:wow:

In Axl's defense, he was also pretty drunk when that incident happened.

On the other hand, even on occasions when I was drunk as fuck, I never felt the need to throw a toddler-ish temper tantrum in a public place or to bite some guy's thigh :lol:

So yes, I do also tend to think this kind of behavior is far from normal and it's just one thing of many that makes me think Axl is (or was) more seriously messed up than a lot of people like to believe.

:shrugs:

On 25.7.2017 at 5:46 PM, Georgina Arriaga said:

@penelope agree with you here. Yes about her family....I read in some place that even Beta's sister and brother had a job in some capacity in GNR...in my opinion that is very exploitative....I don't know if now it's the case, but for example, Vanessa's husband....:facepalm: what he do for GNR? and you see in their Instagram "GNR family" and shit like that...and honestly I have not seen Axl in a single picture at those fancy restaurants where "GNR family" go

TB and TB-related people who financially depend on Axl:

Beta, Fernando, Fernando's wife, Fernando's daughter, Vanessa, Vanessa's husband, Vanessa's daughter, Vanessa's daughter's nanny, Beta's sister, Beta's brother, and I'm sure there's many more I'm not even aware of.

It's pretty terrifying.

23 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Holy shit.  That's helluva hot mess of co-dependency right there.  Fucking hell, Axl.  Well, he certainly doesn't need that kind of mother-figure!  What he needs is a strong independent woman with whom he shares mutual love and respect, who'll kick his ass just like she said she would, not pander to him like a brat, or use him to validate her own existence.  Must be so frustrating for his bandmates to see him living his life like that.  But thanks for that info, hey.  I am now very much more enlightened than I was before!:lol:

You're welcome. There's also another link to a post detailing all the reasons why people are suspicious of TB in the thread index if you want to read more about that topic.

1 hour ago, Fang said:

I think he would be a loving father. I think, though, that he may have given up the idea, seeing as how he seems more into intelligent models that a serious relationship. I wonder if he would ever even be able to get turned on by a regular woman...I don't want to think he is shallow. He's too intelligent for that. But most of what I have seen makes me think he is...

As long as she is reasonably attractive, I'd assume so. He's dated/had sexual relations with plenty of "regular" women in the past. And also more recently (Ellen Jabour for example is not a model, is she? Looked rather average to me in any case)

Also, speaking from personal experience, I've never met a guy who would "restrict" himself only to women who are certified models... I mean, why would you, when there are so many other beautiful women out there :lol:

 

23 hours ago, killuridols said:

omg the way you tell this story always cracks me up to hell :rofl-lol::rofl-lol::rofl-lol:

But we (:ph34r:) children dont want that!

We (:confused:) want our mom and dad to take care of us, be there with their cuddling, kissing, tucking in, cooking our breakfast and meals, lifting us up from the floor when we fall. We want our mom and dad cleaning our shit and vomit and for them to scold us too and join us in whatever games we invent. We want our parents involved in our lives, not scared of touching poop and blood and whatever comes out from our bodies  and not freaking out when we get fever and other diseases:bitchfight:

I'm sorry I had to "revert to a toddler" here but I needed to be graphical so to make my points! :lol:

Well, it is a pretty funny story after all if you can have a sense of humor about it, so it deserves to be told accordingly lol.

As for the parenting thing, I think Axl would be perfectly capable of most of the things you listed there. He'd definitely be good at playing with and entertaining kids (going by what we've heard from other people), he can do the cuddling and kissing thing nowadays (he's doing it with TB and his animals after all) and it seems he can even cook and feed himself if he's forced to, so...

As for the rest of it... I'm just going to say I'm pretty sure my dad never changed any diapers either in his life or anything like that :lol:, but he still was (and is) a great dad. So the child won't be doomed by that.

The main problems I'd see with Axl raising a child would be

a) can he keep his temper in check when the kid is being difficult and

b) what if he has another depressive episode and doesn't crawl out of his bed for weeks?

I think with regards to a) he seems to have put a lot of thought into that issue in the 80s already and he talked about dealing with this issue again a few years later when Dylan was in his life. Iirc he said something along the lines of needing to remind himself to stay calm when Dylan was being difficult because he's just a kid and doesn't know any better. And he must have managed reasonably well, because for all Stephanie has accused Axl of, she has never accused him of mistreating her child in any way. He's probably also around TB's babies and toddlers a lot at the moment, so I figure he's got at least some amount of experience in dealing with them.

We don't really have enough information to judge how much of an issue b) would be nowadays, but in general we (as a society) don't stop people with mental health issues from having children and in Axl's case the kid would at least be taken care of by nannies or TB or whoever in the meantime. Which is already a lot more than most children in such situations would get. All in all, I think a kid could have it much worse than to have Axl as a dad and he might be better at it than we (or even he himself) would expect.

 

59 minutes ago, killuridols said:

There's no way Beta is not in his will yet. I'm sure she is.

On 25.7.2017 at 6:16 PM, penelope said:

Yeah it is crazy!  It is not so hard to imagine them fighting for the inheritance..

This is gonna be so, so ugly.

And it's not just Axl's private money we're dealing with here, but also the rights to the GNR back catalogue, the band name, etc. probably.

Imagine all of that ending up in TB's (most likely Fernando's) hands? :scared:

If Axl dies before Slash and Duff, I assume they wouldn't be happy about that either.

So I predict Slash & Duff vs. TB legal battles in the future, no matter how well they seem to get along with TB at the moment.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Frey said:

Also, speaking from personal experience, I've never met a guy who would "restrict" himself only to women who are certified models... I mean, why would you, when there are so many other beautiful women out there

The problem is that he's not "out there" like you and other guys :lol:..... whenever he goes out is to those places full of models and other women of that type, so he's restricted to that because that's his natural environment.

It's like I wanted to marry a Prince :rofl-lol: how in the hell would I meet one if my social circle solely consists of regular bums like myself?? :lol:

12 minutes ago, Frey said:

The main problems I'd see with Axl raising a child would be

a) can he keep his temper in check when the kid is being difficult and

b) what if he has another depressive episode and doesn't crawl out of his bed for weeks?

He's probably also around TB's babies and toddlers a lot at the moment, so I figure he's got at least some amount of experience in dealing with them.

We don't really have enough information to judge how much of an issue b) would be nowadays, but in general we (as a society) don't stop people with mental health issues from having children and in Axl's case the kid would at least be taken care of by nannies or TB or whoever in the meantime. Which is already a lot more than most children in such situations would get. All in all, I think a kid could have it much worse than to have Axl as a dad and he might be better at it than we (or even he himself) would expect.

Well, I disrespectfully disagree :P

(kidding)

Um, TB kids, they don't live with Axl actually. Fernando has his home and Vanessa too. With the lack of patience he has (look at the video of the wrong car) I'm sure he wouldn't be willing to tolerate a screaming toddler throwing a tantrum for too long. I'm sure he's asked them to bring the children when they are not being assholes, and as soon as one of them is misbehaving, the nannies must run after them so they dont bother "uncle Axl".

And I'm not sure about the mental health issues and society..... of course, no one is tested before they become a parent but if you mistreat children and other people observe you and denounce you, I do think the government intervenes. At least they do here. We have official organizations in charge of controlling situations that go out of hand and they can really take your kid away if it is proven that you give them a bad life.

Personally, I'm totally against people having children for the sake of it, just to fullfill their needs of companion, a partner or whatever hole they have in their lives. Like I said before, I advocate for quality of life and not for just "living" because someone said so. Don't bring children to this world if you're gonna be a jerk to them, cause them emotional problems and wreck them for life. We already have too many people fucked up by selfish people who couldn't stop themselves from being egotistical fucks. Axl himself is the product of two people who were not meant to have children and shouldn't have raised any child because they were totally inept.

It looks to me back in the day he was pretty aware of this line of thought and that is something to admire on him. I don't know what is his take now. Seems like he's still on that line. We, as humans, can do much more than just reproduce ourselves like rabbits. It is time that we start looking for quality of life, not quantity.

 

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7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

The problem is that he's not "out there" like you and other guys :lol:..... whenever he goes out is to those places full of models and other women of that type, so he's restricted to that because that's his natural environment.

It's like I wanted to marry a Prince :rofl-lol: how in the hell would I meet one if my social circle solely consists of regular bums like myself?? :lol:

Yeah, but the question I was replying to was "could he even be attracted to a regular woman". And I'm saying yes, I think he most likely could, in theory. Now him actually meeting a regular woman to be attracted to is a different story, I agree on that.

 

7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Um, TB kids, they don't live with Axl actually. Fernando has his home and Vanessa too. With the lack of patience he has (look at the video of the wrong car) I'm sure he wouldn't be willing to tolerate a screaming toddler throwing a tantrum for too long. I'm sure he's asked them to bring the children when they are not being assholes, and as soon as one of them is misbehaving, the nannies must run after them so they dont bother "uncle Axl".

And I'm not sure about the mental health issues and society..... of course, no one is tested before they become a parent but if you mistreat children and other people observe you and denounce you, I do think the government intervenes. At least they do here. We have official organizations in charge of controlling situations that go out of hand and they can really take your kid away if it is proven that you give them a bad life.

Personally, I'm totally against people having children for the sake of it, just to fullfill their needs of companion, a partner or whatever hole they have in their lives. Like I said before, I advocate for quality of life and not for just "living" because someone said so. Don't bring children to this world if you're gonna be a jerk to them, cause them emotional problems and wreck them for life. We already have too many people fucked up by selfish people who couldn't stop themselves from being egotistical fucks. Axl himself is the product of two people who were not meant to have children and shouldn't have raised any child because they were totally inept.

It looks to me back in the day he was pretty aware of this line of thought and that is something to admire on him. I don't know what is his take now. Seems like he's still on that line. We, as humans, can do much more than just reproduce ourselves like rabbits. It is time that we start looking for quality of life, not quantity.

Yeah the kids don't live with him, but we know they are over at his house sometimes and are on tour with their parents a lot, so he probably is around them quite a bit. And they're kids (and pretty young ones at that), so I'm sure them misbehaving around Axl can't always be avoided 100%. And even if they're only around him when they're happy and sweet... that still gives you some hands-on experience in handling kids.

I am also against people having children just for the sake of it, but hypothetically speaking (or not so hypothetically, since he has expressed that wish a couple of times in the past), if Axl truly wanted children, I wouldn't be appalled by the prospect and immediately start worrying about the poor children (unless I'm given a reason to suspect otherwise).

 

 

 

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:( I feel terrible for their family and Duff. Losing a pet is incredibly hard and to have to go perform so soon after is going to be really hard on him.

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1 hour ago, Kris_1989 said:

:( I feel terrible for their family and Duff. Losing a pet is incredibly hard and to have to go perform so soon after is going to be really hard on him.

Awe. I was wondering what was going on with him. I knew he was having health problems via Susan's IG posts. Wasn't Buckley getting on in years? 

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38 minutes ago, Frey said:

I am also against people having children just for the sake of it, but hypothetically speaking (or not so hypothetically, since he has expressed that wish a couple of times in the past), if Axl truly wanted children, I wouldn't be appalled by the prospect and immediately start worrying about the poor children (unless I'm given a reason to suspect otherwise).

lol well... I wouldn't be appalled by the prospect of it :lol:

I think I'd be happy and surprised, but if he decides to do it, after so many years, I would think it has to be a well-thought-out decision on his part, so I'd trust him and wish him well :)

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I forgot I wanted to comment on this too:

1 hour ago, Frey said:

This is gonna be so, so ugly.

And it's not just Axl's private money we're dealing with here, but also the rights to the GNR back catalogue, the band name, etc. probably.

Imagine all of that ending up in TB's (most likely Fernando's) hands? :scared:

If Axl dies before Slash and Duff, I assume they wouldn't be happy about that either.

So I predict Slash & Duff vs. TB legal battles in the future, no matter how well they seem to get along with TB at the moment.

I agree it's gonna be ugly..... kinda like the battle between Kurt's family and Courtney.

There's TB on one side and there is also............ the sister and the brother :confused: and what about Erin? can she claim something if she remains the only wife until Axl's death? :question:

My biggest problem is with the GN'R back catalogue, the band name, etc. If it goes with TB we are lost forever :facepalm: but I don't think Slash & Duff will let it happen. I hope Izzy and Steven could have a saying too! but I dont know if it's even possible.

Del has been in charge of biographies and shit like that.... do you think Axl could give him any power regarding music?

All in all, the situation is bad for us fans..... we need Slash & Duff living forever :ph34r:

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

:( I feel terrible for their family and Duff. Losing a pet is incredibly hard and to have to go perform so soon after is going to be really hard on him.

Axl lost his dog while he was in  Europe and said words on stage in homage  of  his dog ?

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1 hour ago, Kris_1989 said:
:( I feel terrible for their family and Duff. Losing a pet is incredibly hard and to have to go perform so soon after is going to be really hard on him.

Oh man, that's sad :cry: When I lost my dog 3 years ago, who was with me since I was 5 year old, it was terrible. I spent the whole day crying, I had a final exam at uni and I just couldn't make it. It was my dad's birthday and while everyone was singing him happy birthday I was just crying. Feel really sorry for the Mckagan's. It's hard.

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That Buckley dog was very cute :cry:

I remember Susan posted a big thanks to the people who took care of him while they were away in Europe.

Poor dog, he waited for them to come back so he could die 1f614.png

 

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