Twinaleblood Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) I was talking about this in the "touche" thread that got deleted (I suppose). Nothing really new here, but it's a topic that has always intrigued me.How did you think Axl picked the songs for CD? Is it possible that the tracklist was influenced by the Antiquiet leaks? There was a buzz about this a couple of years ago I think.Those leaks came in June, wasn't the album ready to go by then? Was there enough time to do any major changes in the songlist? I also remember reading somewhere that it was supposed to be 13 tracks and Catcher was a last time addition.And what about that back cover artwork circulating around 2007? I mean this one.Everybody used to say it was fake, but since the album came out I think I read more than one person claiming it was legit, maybe an early draft or something: are there any facts that proves this? Edited February 5, 2012 by Twinaleblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I feel like the leaks definitely affected the tracklist. Also, ya know what's interesting? Axl did not want to do This I Love. At all. Now they play it at every show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Hand Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I think those songs were Axls " opening statements" to the world to begin his comeback and were specifically picked as a message to fans, ex girls and bandmates, and a curious general public. I think those songs leaked when they where being finished for whatever reason and the other cd songs were intentionally held out for future releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I feel like the leaks definitely affected the tracklist. Also, ya know what's interesting? Axl did not want to do This I Love. At all. Now they play it at every show.Hmmmm I'm not quite so sure about the truthfulness about Axl's comment there. He did say it, but I'm not sure he means it. He wrote it in 1993. It was going to be used on What Dreams May Come in 1998. They play it at every show and they also bother to record, mix and master the track. Why go to the effort of recording the whole thing with the orchestra, strings, etc and have it mixed and mastered if he did not want it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillageGorillaHead Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I feel like the leaks definitely affected the tracklist. Also, ya know what's interesting? Axl did not want to do This I Love. At all. Now they play it at every show.Hmmmm I'm not quite so sure about the truthfulness about Axl's comment there. He did say it, but I'm not sure he means it. He wrote it in 1993. It was going to be used on What Dreams May Come in 1998. They play it at every show and they also bother to record, mix and master the track. Why go to the effort of recording the whole thing with the orchestra, strings, etc and have it mixed and mastered if he did not want it out?Maybe not on THIS album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I was just wondering about the Touche thread...That other thread with a supposed Monstrosity clip has just been locked and labelled as fake (but still exists) but the Touche thread was actually removed...Odd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinaleblood Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Meh, don't know why. But that Touche clip sounded really amateurish. Also, the track was faster than the intro used during the shows, and I don't think Axl would bother to slow down the orchestral parts of that song to use it as a show intro. Also, as one user pointed out, the drums seem to be taken from chinese democracy (the song). But we're going OT here :xmasssanta:Back in topic: if that early back cover is fan made, the guy really NAILED the fonts and the colors. Edited February 5, 2012 by Twinaleblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I feel like the leaks definitely affected the tracklist. Also, ya know what's interesting? Axl did not want to do This I Love. At all. Now they play it at every show.Really? We're d'you read that? Though Axl loved the song... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loko Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 In his chat told that Tommy and Robin push him to put this song on ChD, he didn't want this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) I seen a pic of the back of the 2006 potential cover and about half the songs were there. The final track list was definitely affected by the leaks.Edit: i seen it on http://www.gunsnfnroses.com but can't find the tread. Edited February 5, 2012 by Coma16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I don't know, I think the leaks might well have affected the tracks, it's a bit of a hectic all over the place album in terms of style, which isn't a negative thing at all, look at Physical Graffiti for instance. There were no signs of some of the tracks over the ChiDem touring cycle so who knows what his intentions were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose Your Illusions Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I feel like the leaks definitely affected the tracklist. Also, ya know what's interesting? Axl did not want to do This I Love. At all. Now they play it at every show.In the chats Axl said Robin insisted on it being on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Axl said in that interview in early 2006 when talking about it that the album would have thirteen tracks. Of course, things or plans can change, but I always found it rather curious that it ended up with fourteen. One more. So, what is the extra one? Didn't Axl say way back in 2002 that Riad wouldn't be on the first album? Now it is, of course. Again, plans can change, but I can't help but wonder if Riad leaking had anything to do with it being on the album. It had leaked anyways so perhaps they figured they'd put it on for shits and giggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scaramouche Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 He didn't want This I Love on the album? Well, I'm glad he was forced to, it's one of the best love songs ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 They were playing rhiad live back in 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coma16 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Sorry as a closing track. Epic!So (if this was legit) look like 7 tracks would have remained in. Edited February 5, 2012 by Coma16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlsalinger Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 8. If almost certainly refers to If the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Dunno if it's legit, it can be easily faked as we saw with the Monstrosity/Red Panda efforts. Those tracks are a few of the well known ones with Soul Monster, Oklahoma, Down By The Ocean missing so who knows! Edited February 5, 2012 by RandallFlagg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinaleblood Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yeah, it may be fake, but this was circulating LONG before CD release (i think it's from 2006 / 2007) so if it's fake, the guy who made it nailed almost the same fonts and colors of the actual artwork, that's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yeah, it may be fake, but this was circulating LONG before CD release (i think it's from 2006 / 2007) so if it's fake, the guy who made it nailed almost the same fonts and colors of the actual artwork, that's weird.That's what lends it some authenticity, in my opinion.And that's what gets me excited about potentially, some day, seeing the rest of the CD sessions. Some people are of the opinion that Axl put the best stuff on CD and the rest would be stuff he didn't deem good enough. I personally never felt that to be the case, but if the above track list was real at some point, that blows up the theory that the rest of the CD stuff is leftovers.I am DYING for some new material from Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 They were playing rhiad live back in 2002Yes, but only 3 or 4 times. Axl mentioned at one point that neither that nor Silkworms would be on the first album. Now we know, of course, that Riad is on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 8. If almost certainly refers to If the World.You mean 12. 8 is obviously SOD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Having Chinese Democracy after Better would be a sure fire way of killing momentum with that massive build up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) They were playing rhiad live back in 2002Yes, but only 3 or 4 times. Axl mentioned at one point that neither that nor Silkworms would be on the first album. Now we know, of course, that Riad is on the album.Dont remember him saying anything about this. I do remember a supposed interview with Dizzy talking about that, even though there were some questionable stuff there (dunno exactly, but I do remember people question it).Riad was always on the setlist, from 2001 to 2007 and, after the release, it was there till 2010, I guess. Yeah, they didt play it much, but neither TWAT.Edited: about the leaks, I think it was not coincidence. Once the songs were sent to Andy Wallace for prior mixing and Universal execs, it all got leaked. Save for Better, IRS and TWAT, that were out there in very rough demos supposed leaked from one of Axl's night club auditions. What I mean is: once they were sorting the tracklist and sending the songs for people to work on it, then it started to leak. Thats why the tracklist was the same: they wouldnt send like all the songs for the next album for Andy Wallace if they were not supposed to be released with the 1st batch. Edited February 5, 2012 by Voodoochild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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