Star Wars-The Force Awakens Thread (Contains Spoilers)

[bacardimayne]

Can't be as bad as benedict cucumberneck.

[Powerage5]

Man, I can't wait until we have some actual news.

Back on the topic of canon: Aren't some of the video games considered G-Canon?

[luciusfunk]

G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie).

T-canon, or Television Canon, refers to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the two television shows Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. It was devised recently in order to define a status above the C-Level canon, as confirmed by Chee.

C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

N is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or from canceled Star Wars works falls into this category as well, unless another canonical work references it and it is declared canon.

[rocknroll41]

G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie).

T-canon, or Television Canon, refers to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the two television shows Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. It was devised recently in order to define a status above the C-Level canon, as confirmed by Chee.

C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

N is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or from canceled Star Wars works falls into this category as well, unless another canonical work references it and it is declared canon.

The continuity people at Lucasfilm recently confirmed on Twitter that they are no longer using this hierarchy system for the new material coming. Meaning that all upcoming movies, comics, books, shows, and games will have equal canon status regardless of George's involvement.

[Tater Totts]

Because George will have minimal involvement, that is why Disney hired a team to sort out a unified canon.

[Powerage5]

Canon is so confusing with Star Wars. I'm looking forward to a more unified Canon system.

[Chewbacca]

Just canon the vong wars and nest crisis please.

[rocknroll41]

Just canon the vong wars and nest crisis please.

probably not gonna happen if Chewy is alive in Episode 7 (unless they make some kind of online comic that shows him surviving the moon collision, they've done things like that in the past).

[bacardimayne]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/14/star-wars-episode-7-to-focus-on-luke-skywalker-princess-leia-and-han-solo-4262596/

Episode VII will focus mainly on Luke, Han and Leia with the new characters in supporting roles, while VIII and IX will focus on the new characters exclusively. VII is said to be a "fitting sendoff" for the old characters.

Ugh. An entire movie starring three old actors who don't give a shit anymore. This is gonna be bad.

Edited January 15, 2014 by bacardimayne

[ZoSoRose]

Remember guys, rumors are RUMORS

And I would love the original gang to be a main focus. Doesn't mean the new, younger cast can't be just as important

[Bono]

I honestly don't give shit about the canon when it comes to the expanded universe. There are some good stories in there and then the videos games and cartoons are fine but honestly big deal if they scrap all of it. I've followed it my whole life and have like 70 books from the expanded universe(I'm sure others have way more, that's not the point) but haven't bought anything in about 8 years. I enjoyed the books I've read some are much better than others, some are flat out terrible but they mean nothing in regards to the movies in my opinion. Like absolutely nothing. All I care about is that the new movies kick ass and stay true to the original trilogy. Honestly the prequels don't mean anything to me at all. The prequels are fucking dumb. I just think for anyone to have expectations that they should base the new movies around the EU and keep it all coherant is just incredibly unrealistic and taking fanboyism to the new extreme. The movies are a seperate entity and if the EU plays off the movies cool but never should the movies be expected to follow the storyline of the EU. If it does cool if not who cares. I mean I've read comments on other sites with people freaking out and saying such nonsense like all the books they've read over the years was all for nothing. What the fuck? That's psychotic talk. EU = fan fiction and not important at all in the grand scheme of things.

Edited January 15, 2014 by Bono

[dizzzzzzy]

no way...fuck it and stop it...don't touch legend - it'll be shit

[rocknroll41]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/14/star-wars-episode-7-to-focus-on-luke-skywalker-princess-leia-and-han-solo-4262596/

Episode VII will focus mainly on Luke, Han and Leia with the new characters in supporting roles, while VIII and IX will focus on the new characters exclusively. VII is said to be a "fitting sendoff" for the old characters.

Ugh. An entire movie starring three old actors who don't give a shit anymore. This is gonna be bad.

Not confirmed. Just a rumor. The same site claims that the new main character will be Obi-Wan's granddaughter. I have a feeling both of these rumors are NOT true. Lets not freak out until we get some kind of official confirmation

[Chewbacca]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/14/star-wars-episode-7-to-focus-on-luke-skywalker-princess-leia-and-han-solo-4262596/

Episode VII will focus mainly on Luke, Han and Leia with the new characters in supporting roles, while VIII and IX will focus on the new characters exclusively. VII is said to be a "fitting sendoff" for the old characters.

Ugh. An entire movie starring three old actors who don't give a shit anymore. This is gonna be bad.

Not confirmed. Just a rumor. The same site claims that the new main character will be Obi-Wan's granddaughter. I have a feeling both of these rumors are NOT true. Lets not freak out until we get some kind of official confirmation

Granddaughter? Olivia had a Kid! OMG!

Those fuckers are going darthipedia all the way!

[Tater Totts]

I honestly don't give shit about the canon when it comes to the expanded universe. There are some good stories in there and then the videos games and cartoons are fine but honestly big deal if they scrap all of it. I've followed it my whole life and have like 70 books from the expanded universe(I'm sure others have way more, that's not the point) but haven't bought anything in about 8 years. I enjoyed the books I've read some are much better than others, some are flat out terrible but they mean nothing in regards to the movies in my opinion. Like absolutely nothing. All I care about is that the new movies kick ass and stay true to the original trilogy. Honestly the prequels don't mean anything to me at all. The prequels are fucking dumb. I just think for anyone to have expectations that they should base the new movies around the EU and keep it all coherant is just incredibly unrealistic and taking fanboyism to the new extreme. The movies are a seperate entity and if the EU plays off the movies cool but never should the movies be expected to follow the storyline of the EU. If it does cool if not who cares. I mean I've read comments on other sites with people freaking out and saying such nonsense like all the books they've read over the years was all for nothing. What the fuck? That's psychotic talk. EU = fan fiction and not important at all in the grand scheme of things.

THANK YOU!

It isn't like these books/ games/ comics/ whatever are just going to disappear overnight.They're still going to be around and it is pretty sad if you react badly to them not being considered canon anymore.

[rocknroll41]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/14/star-wars-episode-7-to-focus-on-luke-skywalker-princess-leia-and-han-solo-4262596/

Episode VII will focus mainly on Luke, Han and Leia with the new characters in supporting roles, while VIII and IX will focus on the new characters exclusively. VII is said to be a "fitting sendoff" for the old characters.

Ugh. An entire movie starring three old actors who don't give a shit anymore. This is gonna be bad.

Not confirmed. Just a rumor. The same site claims that the new main character will be Obi-Wan's granddaughter. I have a feeling both of these rumors are NOT true. Lets not freak out until we get some kind of official confirmation

Granddaughter? Olivia had a Kid! OMG!

Those fuckers are going darthipedia all the way!

Not Olivia. If this rumor is true, the mother will more than likely be Satine (Obi-Wan's love interest from the Clone Wars cartoon show, which George had a heavy hand in).

[Chewbacca]

Olivia is his secret love child with amidala uncyclopedia style.

[DR DOOM]

I remember watching the Ewoks films when I was about 9. Are those considered canon? Canonical cack?

Caravan of Courage FTW.

[rocknroll41]

Olivia is his secret love child with amidala uncyclopedia style.

Oh my bad. I thought you were referring to his Jedi love interest from one of the EU books. I didn't remember her name so I assumed that's who you were referring to.

[TombRaider]

Last night, I was having trouble sleeping. Got up, watched 20 minutes of Return of The Sith and fell asleep without even realizing it. And I'm not even kidding. It's not the first time I do this either. Dexter and The Phantom Menace are also great against insomnia.

[ZoSoRose]

Revenge*

[DieselDaisy]

I would take these rumours with a pinch of salt. I am not a fan of Star Wars but I got a little sucked into the hype preceding The Phantom Menace (as did everyone!) because my friend is really into these films. I remember one rumour at the time concerning Samuel L. Jackson's role - I am not sure if we had the name, Mace Windu, yet? - who it was claimed was Lando's child!

[TombRaider]

Stupid rumor since Mace couldn't have been Lando's son. Huh? Landon was what… 34 in Episode V? And considering the fact that Episode I takes place roughly 25 years before Episode V… and Mace was already a grownup in Episode I… well… you do that math.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I will say one good thing. If Paramount plans on making the Star Trek sequel in time for the 50th Anniversary in 2016, JJ Abrams won't have time to work on it.

[Tater Totts]

Rumour going round that the Boba Fett film will begin with the Boba Fett from Episode 2 aka Clone Fett getting killed, someone stealing his armour and becoming the Fett from Empire.