British Politics

[Len Cnut]

12 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

Sure, there's always house cats that wander across the street.

Films with barn cats and small birds getting along, isn't representative of every farm in reality.

I wouldnt know to be fair, just the what I've been told by the old Farmer Giles job that I've come across.

[wasted]

All I know is I'm allegeric to horses. Girls whose dads are solititors in London (see ex-hippie sell out booze machines, Never let you're hypocrasy get in the way of a post) tend to live on pseudo farms. With stables full of horses. Nothing in common. I'm strictly Barret home slash council flat. Maybe a bedsit if it has a toilet. No fucking flowers/pollen, no horses. 

[AtariLegend]

15 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

I wouldnt know to be fair, just the what I've been told by the old Farmer Giles job that I've come across.

I'd still bet that some lords would still be down with bring back the odd bit of peasant hunting too, if it wasn't a no go.

Ian Duncan Smith would love it too I'm sure.

Edited May 10, 2017 by AtariLegend

[DieselDaisy]

Did you see this interview with the Mays. I was laughing at some chap on the radio describing them as ''Waitrosey dour middle England home counties John Lewisey''. She had £900 pants on though.

Edited May 10, 2017 by DieselDaisy

[Sosso]

The EU is actually the worst enemy for a united, democratic and strong europe. That's why the Brexit was a good step.

[Len Cnut]

40 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Did you see this interview with the Mays. I was laughing at some chap on the radio describing them as ''Waitrosey dour middle England home counties John Lewisey''. She had £900 pants on though.

Pants?!?!  What, did she drop em for a finale or something?   A strip to Lili Marlene or something?  

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, Len Cnut said:

Pants?!?!  What, did she drop em for a finale or something?   A strip to Lili Marlene or something?  

According to the radio they were £900 pants. There was some earlier storm about her leather pants, wasn't there?  

[AtariLegend]

£995 trousers. Don't ask how much the trainers cost...

...But the vicars daughter is very much in touch with the everyman on the street.

I think the Tory press justification was that at least she wasn't spendings thousands on suits like Cameron. 

[Len Cnut]

I'd've thought that was quite cheap for a PM, i was thinking 5k an outfit or something.

[DieselDaisy]

Well we all have our little peculiarities and vanities, e.g. Imelda Marcus and her shoes. You never know, they may be her best pair of trews. I have one decent suit for instance.

Pantsgate.

It is more interesting that Tory party policy haha.

The Mail cover with May, Krankie and the legs was hilarious,

That is the thing with the Mail, it is just trash. It is too comical to be taken seriously

 

[Len Cnut]

May looks like fuckin' Grotbags in that photo

[DieselDaisy]

Neither of them are lookers, let's be fair.

[Len Cnut]

You better eye the fuckin legs cuz they look like geezers from the waist up.  Geezers with knockers, like Meatloaf in Fight Club.

On a side note, check out the US politics thread compared to our one, theres actual political discussion in that one

Edited May 10, 2017 by Len Cnut

[DieselDaisy]

Have you noticed SNP ministers all talk in a sort of sarcastic way. The salmon, sturgeon and that other fat guy at Westminster. They all laugh at the absurdity of the question raised before correcting the interviewer in a pompous manner. Watch out for it? Every single interview - I swear.

[janrichmond]

8 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Did you see this interview with the Mays. I was laughing at some chap on the radio describing them as ''Waitrosey dour middle England home counties John Lewisey''. She had £900 pants on though.

i shop there too, me for PM !! @DieselDaisy you can be minister for cricket and highbrow shit. @Len Cnut you can be my foreign minister cuz you're foreign ain't ya

[Len Cnut]

9 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

i shop there too, me for PM !! @DieselDaisy you can be minister for cricket and highbrow shit. @Len Cnut you can be my foreign minister cuz you're foreign ain't ya

I wanna be the Minister of War!  

[AtariLegend]

Labour party manifesto pledges to renationalise energy, rail and Royal Mail

Draft plan to outline ‘transformational’ spending package for NHS, housing and social care – and borrowing £250bn for infrastructure

Jeremy Corbyn will lay out plans to take parts of Britain’s energy industry back into public ownership alongside the railways and Royal Mail in a radical manifesto that will also promise an annual injection of £6bn for the NHS and £1.6bn for social care.

A draft document drawn up by the leadership will also pledge a phased abolition of tuition fees, a dramatic boost in finance for childcare, and scrapping the bedroom tax, the Guardian has learned.

Sources say that Corbyn wants to promise a “transformational programme” with a package covering the NHS, education, housing and jobs as well as industrial intervention and sweeping nationalisation.

One central promise will be to build 100,000 new council houses a year and alongside a policy to ban fracking.

The manifesto claims that the policies will be fully costed with tax rises for those earning over £80,000 – although full details are not included. There will also be a reversal of corporation and inheritance tax cuts.

Excerpts seen by the Guardian says the party will “take energy back into public ownership to deliver renewable energy, affordability for consumers and democratic control”. It includes plans for a public owned energy company in every region of the UK. The manifesto will include a 20:1 pay cap for businesses that have public contracts.

There is also a promise to review decisions on welfare cuts, although not necessarily reverse them. A ministry of labour will oversee a new raft of reforms on workers’ rights and planned hikes in the pension age beyond 66 will not go ahead.

The draft manifesto also sets out plans to borrow £250bn to invest in infrastructure.

Meanwhile, there will be a promise to “review” other government decisions, with a view to reversing them. Among those in line to be considered are the plans for a £3.4bn cut to the Conservative’s flagship welfare policy of universal credit.

The draft manifesto will be scrutinised by Labour’s national executive committee (NEC) and shadow cabinet from midday on Thursday at what is known as the Clause V meeting.

The session, which also involves the heads of the national policy forums, will hammer down a final document that will be published next week.

Corbyn hinted on Wednesday that he would make good on a previous commitment to scrap tuition fees for higher education and restore maintenance grants for the poorest students.

Speaking at Leeds community college alongside the shadow education secretary Angela Rayner, Corbyn said: “You’ll have to wait for the manifesto. I know you’re desperate for it and I’ve got some stuff in my pocket, but, sorry, I’m not allowed to give it to you. Is that alright? Do you mind? Can you cope with the excitement?”

However, his comments came as a recording emerged of John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, telling an audience in Mansfield that Labour would abolish university tuition fees. “[We] want to introduce – just as the Attlee government with Nye Bevan introduced the National Health Service – we want to introduce a national education service,” McDonnell said.

“Free at the point of need throughout life. And that means ending the cuts in the schools at primary and secondary level. It means free childcare. It means free school training when you need it throughout life. And yes it means scrapping tuition fees once and for all so we don’t burden our kids with debt for the future.”

Theresa May softened the blow for recipients of cuts to universal credit last year by changing the “taper rate”, but Labour would review the Tory cuts, and look at ploughing money back into the “work allowance” – the threshold at which the benefit is removed.

The decision to limit tax credit and universal credit payments to the first two children in the family is also expected to be placed under review, while the so-called “rape clause” will be ended immediately.

There is also a suggestion that legal aid cuts will be reviewed, but without a guarantee to reverse them.

A Conservative spokesman said: “Jeremy Corbyn appears to be on a spending spree paid for by the biggest tax rises in 30 years to somehow fund his nonsensical policies.

“So many of these policies are being paid for by the same tax rises over and over again, they lack any credibility.”

Theresa May said she would not make similar reforms to higher education, suggesting it was unaffordable.

“Tuition fees will remain but the question you have to ask the Labour party is how do they actually pay for all of this they are proposing,” she said. May also said she did not agree with Labour’s policy of four new bank holidays, claiming employers “might have some views” on the cost of it.

In Labour’s 2015 general election manifesto, the party pledged to cut tuition fees from £9,000 to £6,000 a year. In the subsequent Labour leadership campaign, Corbyn pledged to abolish tuition fees by either increasing national insurance for higher earners or raising corporation tax.

By reversing repeated cuts to the corporation tax rate made by the Tories since 2010, Labour believes it could fund a series of ambitious pledges, including restoring maintenance grants for the poorest students, guaranteeing that five-, six- and seven-year-olds will not be taught in classes of more than 30, and restoring the educational maintenance allowance, paid to 16- to 18-year-olds in full-time study.

In total, Labour claims the package of education measures, including school funding and increasing the adult skills budget would cost £6.7bn a year by the end of parliament in 2020/21. The party calculates this would leave revenue from the corporation tax rise to spend on other manifesto measures.

But Rayner’s biggest passion is early years education, with sources suggesting that Labour is planning a major drive on childcare.

The package offered by Corbyn will be built around the party’s “10 pledges” from last year’s annual conference. That focused on infrastructure to help create “a million good quality jobs”, a promise to build half a million council homes, getting rid of zero hours contracts, ending privatisation in the NHS and funding social care, the national education service, more focus on climate change, renationalisation of the railways and a more progressive tax system.

There was also a commitment around placing “peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy”, which Corbyn is expected to expand on later this week.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/10/labour-party-manifesto-pledges-to-end-tuition-fees-and-nationalise-railways

[AtariLegend]

For Diesel here's the Tory graph copy;

Exclusive: Jeremy Corbyn's left-wing Labour manifesto leaked

Jeremy Corbyn will take Britain back to the 1970s by nationalising industries, forcing wage caps on businesses and giving huge power to the unions if he gets into power, a leaked copy of Labour's draft manifesto reveals.

The 43-page document, obtained by the Daily Telegraph, shows that Mr Corbyn plans to nationalise energy, rail and mail and will introduce a 20:1 pay cap for businesses. 

The manifesto says Mr Corbyn is committed to achieving a "nuclear free world" and is "extremely cautious" about using Britain's nuclear deterrent.

The Labour leader will only send the armed forces into combat if "all other options have been exhausted", the copy of the manifesto states.

It also says that Labour will rule out a "no deal" Brexit and refuse to set a migration target, in a move that is likely to drive away its traditional supporters who voted Leave in the EU referendum.

The party will also create a Ministry of Labour to hand more power to trade unions, stating: "We are stronger when we stand together".

Pay bargaining and increased unionisation across the workforce will also be introduced according to the draft plan.

The party will fund its socialist agenda though a huge programme of increased tax and £250billion of borrowing over the next decade with more spending on education and health and big levies on business and industry.

The document is likely to reinforce concerns that Mr Corbyn is soft on defence, law and order and migration.

Critics will also cite it as evidence that Labour plans to “soak the rich” with a huge tax raid on high earners and businesses, in a week when both Mr Corbyn and the shadow chancellor John McDonnell praised the works of Karl Marx.

The draft document, which will be debated and finalised by party officials in London tomorrow, reveals:

- A pledge to nationalise energy firms, railways, bus firms and Royal Mail.

- Income tax hikes for those earning more than £80,000 a year

- Ensuring 60 per cent of the UK's energy comes from renewable sources by 2030

- Fines for businesses that pay their staff high wages and a business levy on profits

- Companies with government contracts would only be allowed to pay their highest earner 20 times more than the lowest

It was leaked to The Telegraph a week ahead of the official publication date and three party sources last night confirmed it is an official draft version, circulated ahead of a key meeting where the final copy will be thrashed out later today.

In it, Mr Corbyn dismisses Theresa May's Brexit pledge that "no deal is better than a bad deal" and promises to protect EU funding across the UK, guarantee worker's rights and drop the Conservative Great Repeal Bill which would allow EU laws to be scrapped.

The Labour leader also refuses to set a target to cut immigration and instead pledges to scrap rules that force migrants to prove they have enough money to live and work in the UK before they are allowed into the country.

The document, circulated to Labour party officials, union members and the shadow cabinet team, is understood to have been written by Mr Corbyn's communications chief Seumas Milne and Mr Corbyn's top policy adviser Andrew Fisher, who has previously called for Trident to be scrapped and MI5 to be disbanded.

A Labour source warned it is "Ed Miliband's manifesto with hard left hundreds and thousands sprinkled on top".

They added that union leaders have been bought off with special pledges including promises to look again at pensions, scrap driver-only trains and offer an inquiry into the battle of Orgreave during the 1984 miner's strike.

The draft copy also pledges to protect the right to "a nomadic way of life" and support gypsies, travellers and the Roma community.

It includes pledges to increase school and NHS funding, ensure prisons are "a last resort" and to only deploy the armed forces when "all other options have been exhausted".

Prisons, it says, should be a "place of last resort".

But the party is facing a series of rows about its pledges on defence amid concerns from some in the arms industry that a vow in the manifesto to scrap weapons exports to Saudi Arabia will cost jobs.

The leader, who has been staunchly anti-nuclear weapons for his entire political career has previously clashed with his shadow defence secretary Nia Griffiths over whether to include a commitment to renewing the Trident missile system in the party's election document.

The document promises to move towards "a nuclear free world" and while supporting the renewal of the missile system the draft document adds: "But any prime minister should be extremely cautious about ordering the use of weapons of mass destruction which would result in the indiscriminate killing of millions of innocent civilians.”

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/10/exclusive-jeremy-corbyns-left-wing-labour-manifesto-leaked/

 

[AtariLegend]

I love how we live in a country where it's frowned upon if a MP doesn't want to consider nuking another country before all other options are exhausted. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by AtariLegend

[DieselDaisy]

I do not know who you'll have to pick up the pieces, your lot, when he gets a thumping? That Thornbury woman who spends her whole time in the Commons nodding, or guru of mathematics, Abbot.

[AtariLegend]

3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

your lot

You do know labour don't run here and when I lived in England I never voted labour.

The area I'm in is a safe DUP seat. There was a Tory candidate though running here last time that got 0.4% of the vote. Not that it matters since the DUP will vote with the Tories on everything except introducing water charges to Northern Ireland.

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, AtariLegend said:

You do know labour don't run here and when I lived in England I never voted labour.

The area I'm in is a safe DUP seat. There was a Tory candidate though running here last time that got 0.4% of the vote. Not that it matters since the DUP will vote with the Tories on everything except introducing water charges to Northern Ireland.

I just assumed you were a fan as you post their stuff.

[AtariLegend]

Question time in a few weeks in Belfast. Think I might want to pretend I'm from a different country that week.

[wasted]

On 11 May 2017 at 5:35 AM, Len Cnut said:

I wanna be the Minister of War!  

I want to be Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. 

[AtariLegend]