The Holographic Universe Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, lilacmess said: Slash writes in his book about selling all his gear and guitars for drug money right before the recording of AfD. I found that almost equally disturbing considering how much his music obviously meant to him. That ain't got nothing on sucking a dick. I don't care if you are a girl or a guy, sucking dick for drugs is low. Dehumanizing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabanana Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 54 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said: That ain't got nothing on sucking a dick. I don't care if you are a girl or a guy, sucking dick for drugs is low. Dehumanizing. Yeah I agree with you on this. Did the others say anything with regards to Steven saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Being a drug addict or any addict at all sooner or later becomes low and dehumanizing and they were heavy drug addicts. Neither of them was a saint, they did and were involved in many things that for the usual person are appaling, like fucking for money, dealing drugs, stealing, using women, beating women and shit like that. Possibly also many things we don't know about and we will never learn about. But that is also what made them the kind of band they are and contributed to the authenticity and originality of their music. And though I am far from supporting or advocationg such behaviors in general, I have accepted from the beginning that GNR members are who they are, so it doesn't really shock me. They're definitely not "your usual buddy" type. They have a very "interesting" past but in a way also this past makes them and their music more interesting, it just sort of comes in a package, love it or leave it. One may love them to death and agree with some things they did or said or treat those selected things as inspiration but to view them as heroes, idols or a moral compass surely isn't a good idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Blackstar said: I don't know... It's hard for me to believe Axl did this. Not so much because he was the most homophobic of them (as it could even be an explanation for his homophobia), but because straight guys who usually do it are junkies desperate to get their fix. I don't think Axl was into heavy drugs then (pre-GnR) and he was able to find a place to sleep, even if it was someone's couch. According to himself and the testimony of others, he did do heavy drugs at some point. He tried it all but he didn't get hook on that. Apparently. How was he able to find a place to sleep? You think most people like doing charity? Sleeping is not the only thing one needs to survive. You need to eat, drink, shower, a bathroom, clothes, move to places... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie82 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 This is the stuff (prostitution, drug dealing) that sometimes make me question why I'm a fan of these guys, they were awful human beings. At the same time it makes me feel sorry for them, they can have rockstar status and millions in the bank but nothing can erase that reckless behavior from their lives. It's interesting how low a person can go to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristmasFnatic Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Im not kidding here, but my gf's older bro was a drug addict. In prison now. But gf said waaay back, he used to let gay dudes butt sex him for $$$, and he aint gay(not that I know of), and got a wife and 2 kids. I guess they become desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Slash did it also. It was really just Slash and Stevie before Guns when they were trying to get Road Crew together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Marie82 said: This is the stuff (prostitution, drug dealing) that sometimes make me question why I'm a fan of these guys, they were awful human beings. At the same time it makes me feel sorry for them, they can have rockstar status and millions in the bank but nothing can erase that reckless behavior from their lives. It's interesting how low a person can go to survive. Some dodgy business happened at that 'Gardner studio' involving sex or rape with 'minors', as the police closed it down and Axl and Slash were ''on the run''. I'm just saying as there is so much about paedophillia these days!! Stradlin used to sell heroin out of his window; he once sold some to Joe Perry. I agree. Truly awful human beings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Before the Illusion shows Slash and Duff used to require the cameramen to film the ''pretty girls'' and they would then watch the televised feed backstage, whereupon the two would select the girls desired who would be invited backstage for Slash and Duff to indulge in ''blow job competitions'', the aim being to see ''who can have the most''!! PS About the Adler thing, it was before he was a drug addict, and before Guns. Adler was actually the last of them to get addicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheapJon Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I'm not the least bothered or surprised by this, sucking or getting sucked for drugs, that's almost a a win-win ye guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Frey said: He talks about both of these things in a very casual no big deal kinda way, which I find as disturbing as @The Holographic Universe. It indicates to me that he hasn't really processed these things and probably still struggles with them on some level (or did so until recently, since he seems to be doing pretty well these days by his standards). Or maybe it is simply not a big deal to him? It doesn't have to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 A junkie will do anything for money when they are withdrawing.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marie82 said: This is the stuff (prostitution, drug dealing) that sometimes make me question why I'm a fan of these guys, they were awful human beings. At the same time it makes me feel sorry for them, they can have rockstar status and millions in the bank but nothing can erase that reckless behavior from their lives. It's interesting how low a person can go to survive. Blowing/fucking other dudes for money doesn't make me think less of Steven - or Axl for that matter. People do what they gotta do to survive (or to feed their addictions). Selling themselves for money isn't particularly despicable. If anything, it makes me feel sorry for them. It's everything else they did that makes me think less of them. 52 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Or maybe it is simply not a big deal to him? It doesn't have to be. Yeah, it doesn't have to be, everyone deals with shit differently obviously, but after knowing what we know about Steven and watching him on celebrity rehab and stuff like that, I tend to think these experiences did mess with him to some extent. 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Slash did it also. It was really just Slash and Stevie before Guns when they were trying to get Road Crew together. Do you have a source for that or are you just speculating based on their shared history? I'm inclined to agree with you actually, but I have never seen anyone outright claim this about Slash (except Steven supposedly) the way people have done with Steven and Axl. Edited July 13, 2017 by Frey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 7 hours ago, killuridols said: Yeah. One of them publicly talked about it. The other did not. It is hard to say if there could be truth to it.... Everything's possible with this band if we start putting all the clues and info we have together (even from the mouth of the horse) they were certainly not choir boys, lol. But it is also common for patriarchal men to accuse each other of being gay or prostitute, as in a competition to see who's more or less macho, and Axl as the pretty boy he was back then, I'm sure plenty of homophobic men assumed he was doing those things (because of his looks and image) even if he wasn't. I don't discard it though because of the context, the place, and the fact that he didn't have any serious job. Also, more than one person told stories about Axl sleeping in their couches, which means he had no money to afford a place of his own. Yes. I agree. Obviously Axl would have been an easy target for mud-slinging of that particular kind, but I'm not completely disregarding the possibility either. Especially now that you're saying there's more than one person who knew him claiming this ... 5 hours ago, Blackstar said: I don't know... It's hard for me to believe Axl did this. Not so much because he was the most homophobic of them (as it could even be an explanation for his homophobia), but because straight guys who usually do it are junkies desperate to get their fix. I don't think Axl was into heavy drugs then (pre-GnR) and he was able to find a place to sleep, even if it was someone's couch. Yes, part of me also agrees with this. But then again, Axl's pre-GNR years are pretty damn nebulous, so who knows. Anything could have been going on back then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie82 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Frey said: Blowing/fucking other dudes for money doesn't make me think less of Steven - or Axl for that matter. I should clarify, I'm not disgusted at them for fucking guys, their sexual preference (past or present) it's not important to me. I'm disgusted at the thought of "I need money, let me get it the easiest way, fucking random people". Despicable, degrading and disappointing. At the end of the day, I don't know them, never will. I'm just here for the music. Edited July 13, 2017 by Marie82 Add word 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 8 hours ago, tajandreas said: Awesome catdog reference. i don't see Axl doing that... but it would explain why he seemed to have a dislike for gays at one point. When people are desperate for drugs they'll do whatever it takes to get them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Frey said: Do you have a source for that or are you just speculating based on their shared history? I'm inclined to agree with you actually, but I have never seen anyone outright claim this about Slash (except Steven supposedly) the way people have done with Steven and Axl. Read about it back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 2 hours ago, CheapJon said: I'm not the least bothered or surprised by this, sucking or getting sucked for drugs, that's almost a a win-win ye guys Profits for the band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackieloveless Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 For bands touring Woman have always been the backbone if you will , Adler just doubled his chances by going both ways . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jekylhyde Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Their (the AFD5) story is interesting and quite shocking too. Not that these things are news to me. But man, they really weren't fooling with those lyrics. They really lived that life. Crazy. Can't even understand it really. But at the end of the day, their story is a great success story. They made it and got to turn their (personal) lives around. That's pretty cool. And inspiring in a way. Though, it makes me think all those other bands who didn't make it. Who never got out of the cutter and probably just faded away and died of drug overdoses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post killuridols Posted July 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2017 46 minutes ago, jekylhyde said: But at the end of the day, their story is a great success story. They made it and got to turn their (personal) lives around. That's pretty cool. And inspiring in a way. Though, it makes me think all those other bands who didn't make it. Who never got out of the cutter and probably just faded away and died of drug overdoses. Yes, this is important to highlight. It makes us all a bit sad that we found out they were not the best of people before the band took off, but to save some positive things about it, the fact that they worked to get out of that world should be inspiring for everybody who's in the same situation. It is a story of overcoming obstacles life puts in your way. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Muddy said: Slash and Steven are confirmed homos, or at least "bisexual". Slash has a tattoo on his arm of his alter ego "Shirley", it's a tattoo of him with lipstick and tits. duff talks in his book about things that happens that only he and the other guys in GNR know about, things that he doesn't tell his wife , Things that he will take to the grave . i was definitely disturbed when I read about this stuff , GNR were my childhood idols. But it is what it is, to each there own . The music is what's important to me, there sexual preference isn't According to Slash "Shirley" was the mother of his old band mate or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 11 hours ago, janrichmond said: Only Adler says it in his book and only about him Yes,true, plus never confidence in adicct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Isn't there a quote of Slash out there saying that in those days he'd screw anything with a hole? Edited July 13, 2017 by EvanG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Guns N' Gays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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