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[meadsoap]

10 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Taking the second comment into account, the first one can't be considered confirmation (they say "a lot of accuracy" anyway, which is vague), as this person (or anyone in the family, for that matter) wouldn't be in position to confirm it.

It's likely that it did happen, but this person wouldn't know.

True. I wasn't aware of the second comment about them saying there were "no signs" of abuse and that nobody knew about the physical abuse either. I took it as confirmation when I first saw the thread months ago, but now I think this person doesn't know much at all.  It just seems like something that's impossible to miss if you were as close to the family as this poster is saying they are.

I believe that the poster knows some family members (not Axl himself obviously), but if they're were missing such a big price of the puzzle/story and had to be informed about the physical abuse through the media, than I question the accuracy of their other comments as well. They talk about these events like they got a lot of their info second hand at a much later time then when it all happened.

Edited December 4, 2023 by meadsoap

[Blackstar]

13 minutes ago, meadsoap said:

They also said they didn't see Axl talk about any sexual abuse from his stepfather, which makes me think that this person (whoever they are) is not actually so close to Axl and his siblings. It seems to be a known thing among Axl's actual social circle judging by how casually both Tom Zutaut and Beta Lebeis referred to it before. 

6 minutes ago, BluegrassBlues said:

I'm skeptical about no other family member's knowing as well, but I do think this person is being honest about knowing them, especially with the pictures they posted. Maybe they meant it in the way of that is how things were done back then and it was not considered abuse? Idk I'm probably wrong on that, but going off the pic in Yesterdays of Axl with the black eye, I highly doubt it was the only one he ever got. You can explain one away, but not multiple, and people had to see that. Which that's just me speculating, maybe they really didn't know 

I think the person is being honest, however a lot of what they know is from hearsay and some of it not directly from people who were around at that time, as some of the Bailey family members who were around are not alive now.

The sexual abuse, if it happened, is something that probably no one would know. But the physical abuse seems to be common knowledge among the family

[Georgina Arriaga]

39 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Where did they confirm that? I only saw a comment by them (in a thread about the Tom Zutaut quote, I think) saying they hadn't heard anything about sexual abuse by his stepfather (but the family believes that he could have abused Amy).

Yes. That's my understanding too. He confirm the physical abuse

[Blackstar]

Some of the stuff they seem to know directly, e.g. they seem to have known Axl's stepfather and the way he conducted himself.

This is the saddest part, if true (and it probably is):

After The Rolling Stones interview Axl came back to see Sharon and try to make amends with her. He showed up to the west side house but refused to come in because he didn’t want to see Steve. He asked Sharon to come out and sit in the limo so they could talk and she refused and ripped him a new one over “humiliating them” with the article. She took Steve’s side and defended him. Had she not done that they probably would have had somewhat of a better relationship and maybe he would have shown up when she was dying. Steve was 95% at fault for the falling out but she was definitely at fault as well.

[Georgina Arriaga]

10 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Some of the stuff they seem to know directly, e.g. they seem to have known Axl's stepfather and the way he conducted himself.

This is the saddest part, if true (and it probably is):

After The Rolling Stones interview Axl came back to see Sharon and try to make amends with her. He showed up to the west side house but refused to come in because he didn’t want to see Steve. He asked Sharon to come out and sit in the limo so they could talk and she refused and ripped him a new one over “humiliating them” with the article. She took Steve’s side and defended him. Had she not done that they probably would have had somewhat of a better relationship and maybe he would have shown up when she was dying. Steve was 95% at fault for the falling out but she was definitely at fault as well.

Yes. That part Is sad. Do he didn't know that His Mother was dying, he has talk about that ?

[Blackstar]

3 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

Yes. That part Is sad. Do he didn't know that His Mother was dying, he has talk about that ?

He hasn't talked about it.

[Georgina Arriaga]

Just now, Blackstar said:

He hasn't talked about it.

Ok. Thank you.

That guy said that he saw the Lisa Marie Funeral and the family was astounded because he looks like the twin of Sharon, his eyes are hers

[Blackstar]

27 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

Ok. Thank you.

That guy said that he saw the Lisa Marie Funeral and the family was astounded because he looks like the twin of Sharon, his eyes are hers

Yeah, they thought he looks more like her now than when he was younger.

[Ratam]

Yesterday in my FB feed apparead an post of one page call "Tony Richardson 2023 GNR tour" he post decided drive to Indiana to see the house where Axl grew up, he post the pic of Axl house too. Has few replies of fans that drive to Axl house too. One woman said " Axl lived with his grandmother as a teen, the house was behind Arnie's Pizza on Wallace Av, accord she hang out with Axl and many friends".

Another poster said " The old lady who answer the door hate being asked about Axl"..lol! She said that Axl house is "The Indiana's Graceland" . 

Another postdr said she visited the Jefferson School where Axl and Izzy meet.

Apparently the Axl house is the Mecca 

[Avillart]

On 12/3/2023 at 8:05 PM, janrichmond said:

I think he looks like most kids do when they have just woken up and not had enough sleep.

 

He looks like he's been crying for hours/on a daily basis, a look I know too well.

 

[BucketEgg]

On 9/5/2023 at 3:43 AM, BucketEgg said:

yeah, i don't know what's going on with the poop-on-the-walls story either, if it was drugs, or it was some other cause, or hopefully, the story was made up. I tried looking up poop-smearing on the wall because it's such a bizarre behaviour, but most websites talking about  poop-smearing talk about children. (turns out the behaviour even has a name, "scatolia".)
 
when i try to look for information on adults doing it, it brings up casual discussions on reddit (not exactly reliable) from people who had to clean that stuff or deal with the person doing these things. And the reason why adults smear poop on the wall, according to reddit anecdotes, can range anything from autism, adhd, dementia, psychotic episodes, sexual abuse related trauma, trauma in general, protest and rebellion, wanting to make someone go away by doing something gross, drugs, or just being stupid and inconsiderate. not exactly narrowing things down.

One weird and questionable reddit anecdote, where the user keeps replying to repliers about how placing a camera in certain places of the bathroom was legal, claims the local neatfreak surgeon of the hospital was a poop-smearer:
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4wwg9s/people_who_smear_poop_all_over_public_bathrooms/d6araas/

the person who told the Axl scatolia story claims that Axl said that he was going to shit everywhere beforehand. so either that means the story's-version of Axl was somehow planning to do this beforehand (wtf), or axl wasn't planning it but he knows he will somehow ends up doing stuff like that because Axl reasons/issues. Or by "do Heroin and shit all over the room", he meant shit as a noun "do Heroin and stuff, all over the room", instead of a verb "do Heroin, and shit all over the room."

Another tale that I really hope was made up because of how absolutely messed up its claim is,

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/148wqes/which_musicians_are_revered_but_are_actually/jo5mw6h/

posted 2023

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Axl Rose. My dad's cousin dated him back in the day, and he abused her, mentally and physically, so badly that she put a gun in her mouth.... she's got the mental capacity of a four year old these days.

On the other hand, I've never heard bad things about Kylie Minogue. Dad was a pilot for British Airways, and she came up to the cockpit and was really interested in what everything did and how it worked before walking the length of the aircraft and giving every crew member the address of her hotel so she could invite them all to a party that night.

 

It makes the concept of Axl spending his time wiping poop on the walls seem absolutely tame.

 

Maybe I should find another celebrity with a "bad/weird/sullied" reputation with an easy name to search up, to see what sort of stories people write about them. Either these tales are true, or if some of them are fake, something about Axl draws in people to write really weird and disturbing stuff about him.

Someone like Michael Jackson for instance, to see if people also write bizarre and disturbing tales about Michael Jackson.

 Also, why do strange stories and rumours about Axl often involve poop? The groupies had the Stephanie-Seymour pooped in the kitty litter box rumour, they have the Axl likes scat rumour https://alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr.narkive.com/gPttaPzl/groupies-on-guns-n-roses , there's the earlier hotel story I found about the clerk saying Axl smelt like shit, and now there's this story. This isn't deliberate on my part, I'm not finding Axl-poop stories for fun, it just so happens that if I find a trashy Axl story, sometimes the teller decided the story needed to involve poop.
 
 Like, if I collect Michael Jackson stories, would the most bizarre and offputting stories involve poop too? Or would the people telling stories about Michael Jackson pick different disturbing themes that would sound more "believable" to an audience?
 
 And there's that Buckethead story, that I've seen some people debate fake or not. Axl isn't a fan of (dog) poop in that story.
 
 And there's this other unreliable reddit story

https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/225936-these-internet-people-say-they-totally-met-guns-n-roses-collection-of-tales/#comment-4993741

where Axl doesn't want a lady to use a filthy bathroom, because he prefers that people (including himself) to shit in a box, and then offers to walk alongside her to Denny's since she'd rather not use a box.

 

 

 

with the clearing out of the reddit-link hoard comes this trash story.

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/RandomThoughts/comments/uac2gj/johnny_depp_vs_amber_heard/i60er6x/?context=999

posted 2022:

(irrelevant section about Johnny Depp skipped)

Believe me, models are not always as classy as many would like to think. As for the proof of her defecating in the bed? Trust me, my friend's husband was the manager of concierge at the Ritz-Carlton in Boston and he told a nasty story about Stephanie Seymour when she was married to Axl Rose. When the chamber maids went in to their room to clean up after they departed, they didn't find what you'd think you'd find after a rock band leaves your hotel. Lol! They found used tampons all over the room. I've never been able to look at that woman without cringing after that was told to me. I don't care how effed-up or high you are/were, that's disgusting not to dispose of certain things properly. Gee, I hope I don't get in trouble for telling that story! 🤣

 

 

..

 

I didn't save these other stories, but I also found trash stories about Michael Jackson throwing poop, and other people who said they were cleaners for rich people, and there was filth everywhere. One that I managed to find on the spot with google:

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/14dd9l3/people_who_work_for_the_super_wealthy_what_stuff/joqeyvi/

Posted 2023:

I used to work at a member's only golf/country club. There were members who had been actors, athletes, race car drivers, former CEO of Google, some major money and egos going on. There was one family that had 3 teenage kids, 2 girls and a boy. The mom and the girls were very attractive and knew it. They always looked amazing and had overly entitled attitudes to match. They were "fancy." Well, the lady who washed the linens for the county club also did house cleaning for some members. This family was one of them. She said their multi-million dollar home was a disaster filth zone. They basically did no house work in between having the cleaning lady there. Dishes piled with dried food that smelled, dirty clothes thrown everywhere, piles of crap all over, sticky floors, dog poop left on the floor. But the nastiest part was the bathrooms. She said they wouldn't empty their bathroom trashes and the ladies of the house would throw their used tampons on top of overflowing trash so she had to pick up their used women's products thrown on the floor not even wrapped in paper. So these fancy bitches would walk around the club like they were so superior and look down on everyone then would go home and act like wild apes throwing their trash and period products on the ground. The thought of being so out of touch that you decide it is beneath you to even be sanitary bc you can just pay someone to do that for you is just beyond insanity.

 

 

 

It seems with the trash stories/rumours, those themes aren't unique to Axl. I guess if you're rich and famous, someday a (potentially false) rumour about you being filthy can pop up, especially if you're considered weird.

 

[BluegrassBlues]

8 hours ago, BucketEgg said:

 

with the clearing out of the reddit-link hoard comes this trash story.

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/RandomThoughts/comments/uac2gj/johnny_depp_vs_amber_heard/i60er6x/?context=999

posted 2022:

(irrelevant section about Johnny Depp skipped)

Believe me, models are not always as classy as many would like to think. As for the proof of her defecating in the bed? Trust me, my friend's husband was the manager of concierge at the Ritz-Carlton in Boston and he told a nasty story about Stephanie Seymour when she was married to Axl Rose. When the chamber maids went in to their room to clean up after they departed, they didn't find what you'd think you'd find after a rock band leaves your hotel. Lol! They found used tampons all over the room. I've never been able to look at that woman without cringing after that was told to me. I don't care how effed-up or high you are/were, that's disgusting not to dispose of certain things properly. Gee, I hope I don't get in trouble for telling that story! 🤣

 

 

..

 

I didn't save these other stories, but I also found trash stories about Michael Jackson throwing poop, and other people who said they were cleaners for rich people, and there was filth everywhere. One that I managed to find on the spot with google:

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/14dd9l3/people_who_work_for_the_super_wealthy_what_stuff/joqeyvi/

Posted 2023:

I used to work at a member's only golf/country club. There were members who had been actors, athletes, race car drivers, former CEO of Google, some major money and egos going on. There was one family that had 3 teenage kids, 2 girls and a boy. The mom and the girls were very attractive and knew it. They always looked amazing and had overly entitled attitudes to match. They were "fancy." Well, the lady who washed the linens for the county club also did house cleaning for some members. This family was one of them. She said their multi-million dollar home was a disaster filth zone. They basically did no house work in between having the cleaning lady there. Dishes piled with dried food that smelled, dirty clothes thrown everywhere, piles of crap all over, sticky floors, dog poop left on the floor. But the nastiest part was the bathrooms. She said they wouldn't empty their bathroom trashes and the ladies of the house would throw their used tampons on top of overflowing trash so she had to pick up their used women's products thrown on the floor not even wrapped in paper. So these fancy bitches would walk around the club like they were so superior and look down on everyone then would go home and act like wild apes throwing their trash and period products on the ground. The thought of being so out of touch that you decide it is beneath you to even be sanitary bc you can just pay someone to do that for you is just beyond insanity.

 

 

 

It seems with the trash stories/rumours, those themes aren't unique to Axl. I guess if you're rich and famous, someday a (potentially false) rumour about you being filthy can pop up, especially if you're considered weird.

 

Those are wild lol, and I believe it about some celebrities, like they just have that dirty vibe, you know what I mean? I don't know if I believe the Stephanie story, I was never a fan of hers but she doesn't seem like the really dirty type 

[Politania]

On 12/3/2023 at 9:51 PM, BluegrassBlues said:

He had a sweet little smile, sorry I'm being a downer but it just makes me sad to know what he was going through at that time, my heart hurts for any kid going through something like that 

me too

[BluegrassBlues]

14 hours ago, Politania said:

me too

It just makes me so sad, Axl's childhood was so messed up  seeing pictures of him as a baby or small kid just make the reality of it hit home and makes me even sadder 

[Politania]

9 hours ago, BluegrassBlues said:

It just makes me so sad, Axl's childhood was so messed up  seeing pictures of him as a baby or small kid just make the reality of it hit home and makes me even sadder 

exactly. My first thought when I saw that picture was: "how couldn'they just love this adorable baby?"

[BluegrassBlues]

13 hours ago, Politania said:

exactly. My first thought when I saw that picture was: "how couldn'they just love this adorable baby?"

I think that anytime I'm watching true crime and a child is involved, my first instinct is to be like give me the baby, I'll take care of them if you won't. I will just never be able to understand child abusers 

[BooO]

It's been 3 years time to post again