DurhamGirl Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I am just watching Guns Argentina 93, their last concert together, and the energy is crazy, the audience are crazy...but they never played again and nobody saw or heard from Axl for years afterwards! I was not around then so for anybody who was, what was it like, what were your feelings etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) I wasnt around either, but this story from that show stands out in my mind, Gilby shared a story about how Axl leaned into his ear as they were performing there and said "Enjoy your last show." Or maybe it was just before the show? Anyways, Gliby thought this was a joke until iirc he shares that something happened/was said while he was getting dropped off at the end of the tour that made him realize that Axl may not have been joking after all. Jokes on Axl really - it was Axls last show for a long time, while Gilby had a hit single and then a major tour with Snakepit following that show. And then Axl decided to return from the wilderness years by performing with Gilby in 99/2000, lol. Edited June 16, 2020 by soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, soon said: I wasnt around either, but this story from that show stands out in my mind, Gilby shared a story about how Axl leaned into his ear as they were performing there and said "Enjoy your last show." Or maybe it was just before the show? Anyways, Gliby thought this was a joke until iirc he shares that something happened/was said while he was getting dropped off at the end of the tour that made him realize that Axl may not have been joking after all. Jokes on Axl really - it was Axls last show for a long time, while Gilby had a hit single and then a major tour with Snakepit following that show. And then Axl decided to return from the wilderness years by performing with Gilby in 99/2000, lol. I tend to believe that Axl was joking, because it seems that, although he didn't want to write with Gilby, he was willing to keep him as a touring member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 In case you haven't seen them, @DurhamGirl, these pictures were taken backstage after that show - and they were meant to be the last public pictures of Axl and Slash together. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Blackstar said: I tend to believe that Axl was joking, because it seems that, although he didn't want to write with Gilby, he was willing to keep him as a touring member. Could be, yeah. Jokes still on Axl though. Gilby should have introduced him in 99 by saying "enjoy your first show." lol If axl were merely joking, given that jokes are usually a reference to something real, I wonder what kinda discussions Gilby was privy to behind the scenes that would make a joke like that relevant? Or was it a media speculation at the time, maybe, since Izzy had been around earlier that year? I figure the joke would have to be in reference to something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamGirl Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Blackstar said: In case you haven't seen them, @DurhamGirl, these pictures were taken backstage after that show - and they were meant to be the last public pictures of Axl and Slash together. Thanks Blacckstar, I wonder what was on Axls' mind at this point... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, soon said: Could be, yeah. Jokes still on Axl though. Gilby should have introduced him in 99 by saying "enjoy your first show." lol If axl were merely joking, given that jokes are usually a reference to something real, I wonder what kinda discussions Gilby was privy to behind the scenes that would make a joke like that relevant? Or was it a media speculation at the time, maybe, since Izzy had been around earlier that year? I figure the joke would have to be in reference to something? I don't know, Gilby shared that story 20 years later, in 2013 https://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/gilby-clarke So I don't think it had anything to do with the contemporary press or anything. Maybe it was something Gilby assumed or concluded when he thought about it in hindsight later, even years later, because the context in which he told the story in the above interview was that the "joke" wasn't just about him, but Axl wanted to break up the whole band. But it seems Axl found it amusing making jokes like that at Gilby or about him - and possibly at/about others. From the Making of November Rain: Axl: So the video, it just all went very smoothly. Meanwhile I was telling Gilby that “we have a great shot of your arm.” And then the night we were recording the performance shot, there’s places where he would, like, come over to the piano and jam with me, “Here we are, we are together for the video.” And [after] about five times that we did takes, I’m looking over at Gilby and I’m like, “Gilby, none of it is gonna be in this video, because this is where the solo is, where Slash is gonna be out in the middle of the desert or something. So it’s just not gonna work” (laughs). And he was like, “Yeah, yeah, alright.” And from the making of Estranged: Axl (talking to Robert John and someone else): Did you hear about Gilby getting asked - the talent scouts found him in some biker bar. Gilby was in a biker bar, and they were like, “You guys would be great for extras in the Guns N’ Roses video.” And he was like, “I think I already got asked about that.” Edited June 16, 2020 by Blackstar 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, DurhamGirl said: Thanks Blacckstar, I wonder what was on Axls' mind at this point... I was watching a Rock Legends episode about Guns on AXS tv and the dude said Axl, Slash, and Dizzy(I think) went back to their hotel and jammed all night after the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfanMILO Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, lame ass security said: I was watching a Rock Legends episode about Guns on AXS tv and the dude said Axl, Slash, and Dizzy(I think) went back to their hotel and jammed all night after the show. That's right! Axl played the piano at the Hyatt Hotel, after their very last show. There's even an audio recording of it, it's on YT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said: That's right! Axl played the piano at the Hyatt Hotel, after their very last show. There's even an audio recording of it, it's on YT. Damn, I didn't know there was a recording, awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, lame ass security said: Damn, I didn't know there was a recording, awesome. The quality isn't great but it's cool to hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK6 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Blackstar said: I tend to believe that Axl was joking, because it seems that, although he didn't want to write with Gilby, he was willing to keep him as a touring member. He was definitely joking. He was looking less bloated too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: The quality isn't great but it's cool to hear. I kept wanting Axl to start singing during Let It Be, didn't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedYourIllusion Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I like the July 17th show, I'd much prefer a Proshot version of the July 16th show. I think the acoustic performances are better, albeit, some of the songs are cut off due to the radiobroadcast. I think Axl sounds less strained and tired in his vocal performances during these shows, as opposed to the Saskatoon show--his voice sounds drained, especially during SCOM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, UsedYourIllusion said: I like the July 17th show, I'd much prefer a Proshot version of the July 16th show. I think the acoustic performances are better, albeit, some of the songs are cut off due to the radiobroadcast. I think Axl sounds less strained and tired in his vocal performances during these shows, as opposed to the Saskatoon show--his voice sounds drained, especially during SCOM. I think Axl knew these were going to be the last shows for a very long time so he just went balls out, even more than usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 On 6/16/2020 at 12:37 PM, soon said: Jokes on Axl really - it was Axls last show for a long time, while Gilby had a hit single and then a major tour with Snakepit following that show. And then Axl decided to return from the wilderness years by performing with Gilby in 99/2000, lol. What are we considering a hit single and major tour? Gilby has never had a charting single and Snakepit were playing theaters (the same ones GnR played before they hit it big) outside of festivals... I don't blame Axl for wanting to sit that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Crazyman said: What are we considering a hit single and major tour? Gilby has never had a charting single and Snakepit were playing theaters (the same ones GnR played before they hit it big) outside of festivals... I don't blame Axl for wanting to sit that out Cure Me or Kill Me did really well. It was so popular that it solidified Gilbys place in the rock community post-Guns, leading to his part in a hit TV show too. And Pawnshop Guitars remains the most widely respected solo album by any of them, save maybe for Slashs first one. Snakepit - who featured f'n Slash directly after UYI - toured the world. They played a nighttime slot at Donnington festival and performed on Letterman along with many other tv spots like John Stewart. Selling a million albums while they were at it. Edited June 18, 2020 by soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, soon said: Cure Me or Kill Me did really well. It was so popular that it solidified Gilbys place in the rock community post-Guns, leading to his part in a hit TV show too. And Pawnshop Guitars remains the most widely respected solo album by any of them, save maybe for Slashs first one. Snakepit - who featured f'n Slash directly after UYI - toured the world. They played a nighttime slot at Donnington festival and performed on Letterman along with many other tv spots like John Stewart. Selling a million albums while they were at it. I doubt Gilby is living off the royalties of Cure Me or Kill Me...or Pawnshop Guitars in general. Maybe it was a critical hit, but it definitely wasn't a commercial one. Again, outside of festivals they played theater dates. The album debuted (and peaked) at #70 and only had 1 single. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Crazyman said: I doubt Gilby is living off the royalties of Cure Me or Kill Me...or Pawnshop Guitars in general. Maybe it was a critical hit, but it definitely wasn't a commercial one. Again, outside of festivals they played theater dates. The album debuted (and peaked) at #70 and only had 1 single. ... And for these reasons, you think its good that Axl instead took like 7+ years off from touring and then failed miserably at it in 2001 and 2002? You do you. (Snakepit had two singles with videos that they promoted on major TV shows) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamGirl Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 What was Duff doing at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 17/06/2020 at 7:18 AM, DurhamGirl said: Thanks Blacckstar, I wonder what was on Axls' mind at this point... Lol the cigarette with the filter...who smokes a cigarette with a filter like that?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 19/06/2020 at 1:11 AM, Crazyman said: What are we considering a hit single and major tour? Gilby has never had a charting single and Snakepit were playing theaters (the same ones GnR played before they hit it big) outside of festivals... I don't blame Axl for wanting to sit that out Slash had only wanted to play theatres of wanting to come down from playing the huge sized shows during the illusions period. He wanted to have a more intimate type feel compared to the arena sized shows he was used to. Also as a,way of trying to get back in touch with himself again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: Lol the cigarette with the filter...who smokes a cigarette with a filter like that?. to preserve his voice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Italian girl said: to preserve his voice.. If he wanted to preserve his voice he could have given them up, instead of waiting until the late 90s to give up smoking. The filter just seems eccentric. On 17/06/2020 at 9:05 AM, Gordon Comstock said: The quality isn't great but it's cool to hear. Is that slash sitting on the right of axl?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 17 hours ago, DurhamGirl said: What was Duff doing at this point? I would hazzard a guess back at the hotel and partying with the band. Or maybe out scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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