The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[DTV88]

33 minutes ago, Rovim said:

^^^

again, perfectionism doesn't mean high quality and your idea of what is good is not the same as what Axl thinks is good, great, or perfect. 

Chinese sounds like Axl obsessed over it, like a perfectionist went through it, tinkering with it for years. other respectable musicians also said as much in Alice Cooper and Brian May ("at some point it must be good enough"- Alice Cooper after working with Axl in the studio recording vocals for The Garden and "he's utterly meticulous like Freddie was"- Brian May)

Axl sucks at producing. Is that correct enough language for you?

[Rovim]

37 minutes ago, DTV88 said:

Axl sucks at producing. Is that correct enough language for you?

no, it can still be improved. what's with the shit attitude? you don't have to agree or take Gn'R shit personally and get upset just cause you didn't like what I said in my post.  

Edited January 30 by Rovim

[DTV88]

8 hours ago, Rovim said:

no, it can still be improved. what's with the shit attitude? you don't have to agree or take Gn'R shit personally and get upset just cause you didn't like what I said in my post.  

Why do you feel the need to act like some type of forum monitor? Stop licking the ginger sack and get over yourself. 

[Rovim]

19 minutes ago, DTV88 said:

Why do you feel the need to act like some type of forum monitor? Stop licking the ginger sack and get over yourself. 

when did I act like a "forum monitor"? if I don't agree with something, I share my opinion and I think I'm pretty objective when it comes to all Gn'R members. if you don't like it, keep scrolling or use the ignore feature. my earlier reply in this thread wasn't even specifically directed at you.

[evilfacelessturtle]

21 hours ago, DTV88 said:

And it’s absolutely pathetic. Everything else we’re gonna hear is probably from no later than 2006 vocal wise. I don’t know if it’s the lukewarm reception to CD, or the fact that NuGuns failed miserably in the US after CD came out, or if Axl just doesn’t care what his “fans” want. For whatever reason, he continually disappoints when it comes to releasing new music. 4 songs released since CD. Which was over 15 years ago.

 

I very much disagree that Axl is a perfectionist with regards to music. I present the officially released Absurd as evidence. One verse and the same chorus repeated three times is abturd. Btw, I actually really like what Slash and Duff and all did with the music. 

I'm not sure what else you could consider it, then. If it's procrastination or insecurity about his current voice on record, that doesn't jive with Rock The Rock releasing. If it's perfectionism, you can always point out flaws. What explanation is left?

[DTV88]

3 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

I'm not sure what else you could consider it, then. If it's procrastination or insecurity about his current voice on record, that doesn't jive with Rock The Rock releasing. If it's perfectionism, you can always point out flaws. What explanation is left?

The most coherent release by Guns has always been Appetite. At that time, I would think that Axl didn’t have the same level of production control that he had from the Illusions onwards.

[evilfacelessturtle]

20 hours ago, DTV88 said:

The most coherent release by Guns has always been Appetite. At that time, I would think that Axl didn’t have the same level of production control that he had from the Illusions onwards.

I believe he did still comp the vocals line by line, though.

[GnR Chris]

Will "Rock the Rock" stand as the last song Axl ever recorded in studio? lol

[rumandraisin]

I'd put money on the last time Axl recording vocals for Guns as being 2007, that last session adding bits for Chinese. Described as him bouncing round from song to song. 

Aside from Rock the Rock of course, which I thought was great!

[Sweersa]

23 minutes ago, rumandraisin said:

I'd put money on the last time Axl recording vocals for Guns as being 2007, that last session adding bits for Chinese. Described as him bouncing round from song to song. 

Aside from Rock the Rock of course, which I thought was great!

Tommy Stinson said Axl recorded vocals every year he was in the band. Tommy was in Guns from 1998 to 2014.

[Rindmelon]

14 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Tommy Stinson said Axl recorded vocals every year he was in the band. Tommy was in Guns from 1998 to 2014.

I think there are probably more vocals than people think. A reason people often give for not thinking there are more vocals is that the released songs have the same vocals as the locker leaks ect. But why would he rerecord them if he was already happy with them? Doesn't mean he didn't record stuff from songs we haven't heard at all

[Sweersa]

40 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

I think there are probably more vocals than people think. A reason people often give for not thinking there are more vocals is that the released songs have the same vocals as the locker leaks ect. But why would he rerecord them if he was already happy with them? Doesn't mean he didn't record stuff from songs we haven't heard at all

I agree. I'm sure Axl works on recording new vocals, and overdubs, backing vocals, touch ups, etc. when he's laying down vocals in the studio. 

From the Village leaks, we know Axl later recorded vocals for Shackler's, Sorry, Better, and Scraped (which we didn't get any instrumental for then) and that suggests he has probably recorded vocals for additional songs, and we know that to be true with Monsters and The General. I'm certain there are others. As for how many, no one knows for sure but I would bet he has 6-12 additional songs with vocals that were not on the 2008 album or the NITL singles. 

[Appetitefordiscussion]

2 hours ago, rumandraisin said:

I'd put money on the last time Axl recording vocals for Guns as being 2007, that last session adding bits for Chinese. Described as him bouncing round from song to song. 

Aside from Rock the Rock of course, which I thought was great!

Is there any proof the lower octave on the perhaps chorus is from an older session? I wonder if that was new 

[Sweersa]

26 minutes ago, Appetitefordiscussion said:

Is there any proof the lower octave on the perhaps chorus is from an older session? I wonder if that was new 

I can't hear it in the 2000 mix, but I've seen posts where people claim to hear it there. If it's there in the 2000 mix, it is certainly lower in the mix. I actually like the 2023 version more than the 2000, with one exception being most of Slash's solo. The last bits, the higher notes, fit the song but I don't think he did as good as Robin's solo. It's nice they kept a few seconds of Robin's solo. Weird they didn't just have Slash replicate that part and do a transition into his own solo. Would have been easier just to keep Robin in, and no one except us would know anyways. 

[Illusion1987]

6 hours ago, rumandraisin said:

I'd put money on the last time Axl recording vocals for Guns as being 2007, that last session adding bits for Chinese. Described as him bouncing round from song to song. 

Aside from Rock the Rock of course, which I thought was great!

Even Billy Joel found a way to record new vocals:

 

 

[oneway23]

21 minutes ago, Illusion1987 said:

Even Billy Joel found a way to record new vocals:

Savage

[Appetitefordiscussion]

5 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I can't hear it in the 2000 mix, but I've seen posts where people claim to hear it there. If it's there in the 2000 mix, it is certainly lower in the mix. I actually like the 2023 version more than the 2000

Okay, interesting. Hard to tell, that demo is lacking more than the others in audio quality as far as the vocals go. Maybe it is buried in there. I’d personally love to think it’s new 😂 

I also like the new version more. Took awhile though, I was really bummed out they took those lead guitar lines out of the verses. 

[Tom2112]

7 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I agree. I'm sure Axl works on recording new vocals, and overdubs, backing vocals, touch ups, etc. when he's laying down vocals in the studio. 

From the Village leaks, we know Axl later recorded vocals for Shackler's, Sorry, Better, and Scraped (which we didn't get any instrumental for then) and that suggests he has probably recorded vocals for additional songs, and we know that to be true with Monsters and The General. I'm certain there are others. As for how many, no one knows for sure but I would bet he has 6-12 additional songs with vocals that were not on the 2008 album or the NITL singles. 

I agree with this, there is bound to be more.

However, I'm quite happy if they remain where they are this stage. If the 4 singles and Monsters / the other leaks are the best from the batch then I think stopping now is good. Not stopping releasing music, just stopping releasing THAT music. 

I would as a lifelong fan love for Axl to go out on a high note, a real fucking triumphant good record. I mean for me, if Chinese was the last thing he put out I'd say that's a pretty solid way to finish it... But these last few songs? I wouldn't want that to be my last word. Obviously Axl feels differently about this material, but I just don't see the value in it. Unfocused, repetitive parts and lyrics, fairly forgettable melodies both vocally and instrumentally... And worst of all the songs sound even more pieced together than even Chinese did.

[Sledge]

I find it hard to tell the difference between this forum and Trump social media bots sometimes...

[Sweersa]

9 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Unfocused, repetitive parts and lyrics, fairly forgettable melodies both vocally and instrumentally... And worst of all the songs sound even more pieced together than even Chinese did.

That's because they are. Even in 2008-2010, CD2 probably sounded more or less as bloated and overproduced as the 2008 album. NITL ripping those songs apart and adding their parts, mixing and mastering them poorly (has largely been the case so far), doesn't help them any. 

[Rindmelon]

7 hours ago, Sledge said:

I find it hard to tell the difference between this forum and Trump social media bots sometimes...

In which way?

[Voodoochild]

32 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

That's because they are. Even in 2008-2010, CD2 probably sounded more or less as bloated and overproduced as the 2008 album. NITL ripping those songs apart and adding their parts, mixing and mastering them poorly (has largely been the case so far), doesn't help them any. 

I honestly can't understand what was Axl's vision for CD2, style-wise. From the two unheard songs we got - The General and Monsters - I got the sense that it would have a more Bucket/Brain backbone, but it may have some older songs like Absurd, Hard Skool and Perhaps too, but this mix is frankly a lot like CD1 already. But we don't know if those 1999 instrumentals were all still on the table. Heck, we don't even know if they would still use Hard Skool and Perhaps if those were not leaked (I assume they would, but who knows).

23 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

In which way?

We're also in a parallel dimension.

[Sweersa]

35 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I honestly can't understand what was Axl's vision for CD2, style-wise. From the two unheard songs we got - The General and Monsters - I got the sense that it would have a more Bucket/Brain backbone, but it may have some older songs like Absurd, Hard Skool and Perhaps too, but this mix is frankly a lot like CD1 already. But we don't know if those 1999 instrumentals were all still on the table. Heck, we don't even know if they would still use Hard Skool and Perhaps if those were not leaked (I assume they would, but who knows).

The best info we have in regard to getting an idea of the content of CD2 is the leaked song list from January 2008: (My notes in bold)

 

**********

Cuban Skies V - Unheard outside of the fan who met Axl in 2003 claiming he played it for him
The General Ch V - Officially released in 2023, leaked prior
Atlas L - Leaked in 2019
Soul M V - Leaked in 2023 as Monsters, heard in 2010 Vienna after-party, excerpt recording leaked in poor quality
Silk H - Silkworks was officially released in 2021 as Absurd, two mixes labeled as Silkworms leaked prior
Thyme L - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental)
Pro2 V - Blood In The Water? or other Prostitute remix
Chi2 D V? - Chinese Democracy remix?
Better2 - Better remix? (3 leaked years ago)
TIL2 V - This I Love remix? (leaked years ago)
Goin Down - Two mixes leaked, one with Axl on backing vocals
Tonto V Br - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental)
Monstrocity V lyr - A song we are aware of under a different name, or a completely new song?
Catcher ? - Officially released in 2008 (Some songs bounced between the first two albums)
Nothin ? - Leaked in 2019
JChan ? - Leaked in 2019 as Hardschool, officially released in 2021 as Hard Skool
?? L editing V - PRL? Otherwise, unknown
Perhaps ? - Leaked in 2019, officially released in 2023
OMG2 ? - Axl talked of a remix of Oh My God, we also have a Bumblefoot and Buckethead leak mix that leaked years after the 1999 official release of Oh My God
4 Heavens. ? Sing - Probably one of the different KOHD versions worked on during the CD era, some of which leaked, both as instrumentals and with an Axl vocal take
Light My Fire - Likely a cover of The Doors song

**********

 

21 songs listed above, obviously too many for one album. That, in addition to question marks after songs leads me to believe at this point they were planning multiple albums/CDs, OR wanted bonus tracks/remixes released in addition to CD2. I wish we had more context of the list.

Several notable songs missing by name from the above list, including: Zodiac 13, Quick Song, Eye On You, State Of Grace, Seven, and Berlin or Oklahoma, and several other titles from the Village leaks. So these songs are listed under different names (Monstrocity, ?? L editing, etc.) or were intended for the third album, or scrapped altogether. 

Not counting Catcher, the remixes or leaked instrumentals, and including Oh My God and Going Down, we have 9 of the above songs, with Axl vocals. In other words, we have heard a decent chunk of songs that were intended or considered for CD2 as of 2008. Overall, I would say CD2 has a quality and style similar to the 2008 album, perhaps a tad darker, and also simpler. I think if released between 2006-2014, it would have been a Buckethead and Robin heavy masterpiece, and is a personal holy grail of mine. 

I'm not interested in debating the legitimacy of the CD2 list because I know it to be real, as do a few others who had it well over ten years ago.

Edited February 2 by Sweersa

[Voodoochild]

4 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

The best info we have in regard to getting an idea of the content of CD2 is the leaked song list from January 2008: (My notes in bold)

 

**********

Cuban Skies V - Unheard outside of the fan who met Axl in 2003 claiming he played it for him
The General Ch V - Officially released in 2023, leaked prior
Atlas L - Leaked in 2019
Soul M V - Leaked in 2023 as Monsters, heard in 2010 Vienna after-party, excerpt recording leaked in poor quality
Silk H - Silkworks was officially released in 2021 as Absurd, two mixes labeled as Silkworms leaked prior
Thyme L - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental)
Pro2 V - Blood In The Water? or other Prostitute remix
Chi2 D V? - Chinese Democracy remix?
Better2 - Better remix? (3 leaked years ago)
TIL2 V - This I Love remix? (leaked years ago)
Goin Down - Two mixes leaked, one with Axl on backing vocals
Tonto V Br - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental)
Monstrocity V lyr - A song we are aware of under a different name, or a completely new song?
Catcher ? - Officially released in 2008 (Some songs bounced between the first two albums)
Nothin ? - Leaked in 2019
JChan ? - Leaked in 2019 as Hardschool, officially released in 2021 as Hard Skool
?? L editing V - PRL? Otherwise, unknown
Perhaps ? - Leaked in 2019, officially released in 2023
OMG2 ? - Axl talked of a remix of Oh My God, we also have a Bumblefoot and Buckethead leak mix that leaked years after the 1999 official release of Oh My God
4 Heavens. ? Sing - Probably one of the different KOHD versions worked on during the CD era, some of which leaked, both as instrumentals and with an Axl vocal take
Light My Fire - Likely a cover of The Doors song

**********

 

21 songs listed above, obviously too many for one album. That, in addition to question marks after songs leads me to believe at this point they were planning multiple albums/CDs, OR wanted bonus tracks/remixes released in addition to CD2. I wish we had more context of the list.

Several notable songs missing by name from the above list, including: Zodiac 13, Quick Song, Eye On You, State Of Grace, Seven, and Berlin or Oklahoma, and several other titles from the Village leaks. So these songs are listed under different names (Monstrocity, ?? L editing, etc.) or were intended for the third album, or scrapped altogether. 

Not counting Catcher, the remixes or leaked instrumentals, and including Oh My God and Going Down, we have 9 of the above songs, with Axl vocals. In other words, we have heard a decent chunk of songs that were intended or considered for CD2 as of 2008. Overall, I would say CD2 has a quality and style similar to the 2008 album, perhaps a tad darker, and also simpler. I think if released between 2006-2014, it would have been a Buckethead and Robin heavy masterpiece, and is a personal holy grail of mine. 

I'm not interested in debating the legitimacy of the CD2 list because I know it to be real, as do a few others who had it well over ten years ago.

I know about this list. But I meant the style of writing. Like you said, a tad darker, but also simpler - considering only the tracks we know. There's a less emphasis in mid-tempo ballads, although we still have Atlas and Perhaps, and both are 1999-ish. Maybe Thyme and Nothing evolved into a ballad? Not a lot of fast tempo rockers either, much like CD1. 

OMG, Absurd/Silkworms and Going Down are a different thing to me. Those were all in the alt-setlist in 2011, which to me indicates that those could possibly be in a remix album/EP as bonus "new" songs. 

[Sweersa]

1 minute ago, Voodoochild said:

I know about this list. But I meant the style of writing. Like you said, a tad darker, but also simpler - considering only the tracks we know. There's a less emphasis in mid-tempo ballads, although we still have Atlas and Perhaps, and both are 1999-ish. Maybe Thyme and Nothing evolved into a ballad? Not a lot of fast tempo rockers either, much like CD1. 

OMG, Absurd/Silkworms and Going Down are a different thing to me. Those were all in the alt-setlist in 2011, which to me indicates that those could possibly be in a remix album/EP as bonus "new" songs. 

That is possible, but I believe in 2011 an album was more of a possibility than anything else, especially since multiple unheard songs were reported to have been played at the 2010 after-party. I think bandmembers have commented on CD2 being a little more strange or weird, perhaps it was Richard. So far with what we have heard from it, I agree. (Especially after the Village leaks) 

Maybe Axl was getting burned out by then, when putting lyrics to the Buckethead songs, thus the simplicity/repedative nature of them compared to some of the more complex/epic or longer 2008 album tunes. Indeed, Perhaps and Atlas, and Hardschool would balance out the Soul Monster, and The General types of songs.