If the AFD5 Reunites, Will it Get Renewed Interest Concert Wise?

[Nintari]

Not with me, no. Well, maybe I'd check out a Youtube video. But going to a show? No thanks.

I would, however, feel excited to see what having Izzy back in the band could do for new songs, since the current GNR doesn't want to release anything original.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Nintari

[DTV88]

2 hours ago, Cory Trevor said:

at this point, i would rather see a one-off show like the Rock Hall. let the current lineup do their thing now that music is actually rolling out. wouldn't want izzy becoming disinterested and leaving midway through a tour. 

When was Izzy ever disinterested? He left in 1991 because he was sober and didn’t want to continue tour with a band of addicts and Axl’s over the top spending on backstage parties. 

[Mikey Whipwreck]

7 minutes ago, DTV88 said:

When was Izzy ever disinterested? He left in 1991 because he was sober and didn’t want to continue tour with a band of addicts and Axl’s over the top spending on backstage parties. 

In the subsequent 32 years he's shown very little interest in touring 

[DTV88]

2 minutes ago, Mikey Whipwreck said:

In the subsequent 32 years he's shown very little interest in touring 

Very true. I think there was only the Japan mini tour in 2000, no full solo concerts since then. However, I was replying to the poster’s point about Izzy dropping out mid-tour. 
I remember desperately hoping that he would tour 117 degrees. Duff, Taz & Rick would have made for an excellent show IMO. 
Off topic, my little puggle that I named Izzy is going to get put down this weekend so I’m probably a little extra defensive about anything having to do with my favorite Gunner 

[Slugworth]

16 hours ago, jamillos said:

. I want the band to stop touring and start seriously looking at what they can do in new music’s regard ^(TM). And then start doing public stuff as a band again, like videos, interviews, communication with fans, maybe even documentaries, old material, memoires, etc., i.e. exciting stunts that normal bands do, and not that continuous super-secret, everything-under-the-lid, Pentagon stay tuned mystery bullshit they’ve been doing since like 2001. And once they’ve released multiple albums

In other words, you want them doing what they did in 87-91 when they were in their late 20s.

 

You were just criticizing others for imagining it could somehow magically turn back into the good old days yet you're pretty much doing the same thing. Just taking the back road leading to the same destination... longing for something that will never happen.

[Silence]

Izzy does not care at all. 

[Powderfinger]

On 8/28/2023 at 12:33 PM, JAxlMorrison said:

I disagree. And anyways even by 1990 Steven wasn’t a dependable part of the process. He was already an obstacle. And Izzy’s contributions on UYI were kinda lazy, per Axl. Slash wound up fixing up his songs. Both guys are overrated as far as their contributions. And if GNR would’ve just tried to create “Appetite 2,” they wouldn’t be as highly regarded as they are. They’d be Motley Crue. 

 

Mate count the songs Izzy has a co-write or wrote alone across the Illusions albums. Overrated sounds like some feeling you have rather than an actual reality.

Izzy laid his rhythm parts and fucked off leaving some of the heavy work to Axl & Slash, but it’s likely Axl/Slash had the final say on the mix of those albums so the tunes on illusions were going to sound the way they wanted them to, but had Izzy not helped create those songs there’s nothing to record. It’s ok to dislike a personality or whatever, but to say Izzy was lazy and overrated just doesn’t make sense when you look at the writers credits across AFD, Lies & UYI….

[jamillos]

6 hours ago, Slugworth said:

In other words, you want them doing what they did in 87-91 when they were in their late 20s.

 

You were just criticizing others for imagining it could somehow magically turn back into the good old days yet you're pretty much doing the same thing. Just taking the back road leading to the same destination... longing for something that will never happen.

No, I want the band to function normally for once, like other bands do. Instead of the never-ending touring of NITL leg #4564, this time with a different cover song and another 20-year old demo. Has nothing to do with nostalgy or good old days etc. It's not that hard. 

[RONIN]

I think the "Izzy was lazy in UYI" thing primarily comes from Slash and Axl saying Izzy laid down some barebones rhythm parts early in the process and didn't want to work on anything beyond that. So Slash had to double up on rhythm guitars later on as Izzy pulled away from the band. Izzy's version is that he was the first guy to submit his work while the rest of the band was MIA and then the recording process for UYI took forever and Axl delayed the process so much that he lost interest. He didn't understand why it was taking so long and why they kept adding to the songs. Slash kinda backs up Izzy's version of events in a UYI retrospective from classic rock magazine iirc.

Then there's the fact that Izzy removed himself from the video shoots, promo, and seemed completely uninterested onstage for the first leg of the UYI tour. Izzy's version of events is that he didn't agree with the videos and felt he was being ignored as he kept getting overruled by Axl and Slash who were now running the band. He also was pissed that his guitar was barely audible on the Illusion albums. Apparently his guitar was turned down during the Illusion tour as well. Axl and Slash counter by saying Izzy wasn't pulling his weight while the others were doing all the heavy lifting.

To be frank, I'm not sure how much Izzy could have contributed to UYI without getting micromanaged by Slash. As we know, Slash hasn't really worked with a strong rhythm guitarist since Izzy left the band. Like Axl, Slash kinda operates like a one-man show and is a control freak. He's on record saying he doesn't like the way Izzy plays guitar and that it was a relief to not have him on The Spaghetti Incident (the Izzy parts were deleted from the record).

 

[Silence]

On 8/29/2023 at 5:35 PM, Powderfinger said:

 

Mate count the songs Izzy has a co-write or wrote alone across the Illusions albums. Overrated sounds like some feeling you have rather than an actual reality.

Izzy laid his rhythm parts and fucked off leaving some of the heavy work to Axl & Slash, but it’s likely Axl/Slash had the final say on the mix of those albums so the tunes on illusions were going to sound the way they wanted them to, but had Izzy not helped create those songs there’s nothing to record. It’s ok to dislike a personality or whatever, but to say Izzy was lazy and overrated just doesn’t make sense when you look at the writers credits across AFD, Lies & UYI….

Axl still claims Izzy is lazy AF. 

[DoMw94]

On 8/30/2023 at 11:43 AM, RONIN said:

To be frank, I'm not sure how much Izzy could have contributed to UYI without getting micromanaged by Slash. As we know, Slash hasn't really worked with a strong rhythm guitarist since Izzy left the band. Like Axl, Slash kinda operates like a one-man show and is a control freak. He's on record saying he doesn't like the way Izzy plays guitar and that it was a relief to not have him on The Spaghetti Incident

I'm not buying that much.

Slash invited Izzy to play on a track on his solo record and was fine to work with him in Velvet Revolver before Izzy bailed. Of the four SMKC records, Myles Kennedy plays rhythm on one, Frank Sidoris on two, he had Dave Kushner playing rhythm on the two Velvet Revolver records and Ryan Roxie on the second Snakepit record. We also know Richard has redone bits for the recent releases – why if Slash is a 'control freak'?

He could’ve easily done all of that without another player if he wanted to, but he didn't

Edited August 31, 2023 by DoMw94

[Modano09]

I think if they did limited shows in select, big, markets they could make some money from those.

I don't think the larger concert going public would care if Izzy and Steven are there. 

[Blackstar]

13 hours ago, DoMw94 said:

I'm not buying that much.

Slash invited Izzy to play on a track on his solo record and was fine to work with him in Velvet Revolver before Izzy bailed. Of the four SMKC records, Myles Kennedy plays rhythm on one, Frank Sidoris on two, he had Dave Kushner playing rhythm on the two Velvet Revolver records and Ryan Roxie on the second Snakepit record. We also know Richard has redone bits for the recent releases – why if Slash is a 'control freak'?

He could’ve easily done all of that without another player if he wanted to, but he didn't

I think Slash has always liked to have another guitar player and not be on his own. But that would be only to complement him and not for the other guitar to be prominent.

As for Izzy, Slash always appreciated his songwriting but I'm not sure he always enjoyed being a guitar duo with him.