The U.S. tour is selling miserably....

[Guest axleu]

Axl won't promo a tour he has been forced into?............... that is a huge shock.

To be honest it wouldn't matter either way, he appears to have an odd attitude towards his career.Most musicians want people to show up but Axl seems to assume that those that don't show up make no difference and he figures they are not worth it.Its odd in so many ways.Maybe he feels he is as relevant as he was in 91, sadly he is not.

It will only get worse.

In that way, I think he's right. People who will go to the shows are people who really want to see the band because they like it or maybe because they are curious about it. People who go to a show to see an artist because it's cool to see it and not because they wanna see it don't matter to me, and probably don't matter to Axl. I think Axl is as relevant in 2011 as in 1991, in an artistic way. For me, relevance in music hasn't anything to do with press coverage or CDs and tickets sales.

Of course, that's not the same if someone doesn't like Chinese democracy and/or the new band.

[axl666]

Axl won't promo a tour he has been forced into?............... that is a huge shock.

To be honest it wouldn't matter either way, he appears to have an odd attitude towards his career.Most musicians want people to show up but Axl seems to assume that those that don't show up make no difference and he figures they are not worth it.Its odd in so many ways.Maybe he feels he is as relevant as he was in 91, sadly he is not.

It will only get worse.

Maybe you wrote that wrong: I think you meant 'Axl seems to assume that those that do show up make no difference'

[Dazey]

In that way, I think he's right. People who will go to the shows are people who really want to see the band because they like it or maybe because they are curious about it. People who go to a show to see an artist because it's cool to see it and not because they wanna see it don't matter to me, and probably don't matter to Axl. I think Axl is as relevant in 2011 as in 1991, in an artistic way. For me, relevance in music hasn't anything to do with press coverage or CDs and tickets sales.

It actually has everything to do with those things I'm afraid. Don't let your love of the band fool you, they're currently far from relevant which is unfortunate but true.

[gnrkoncerti]

Well,for three shows you can check ticket selling.

Amway,Sasquena bank center and gexa energy pavilon.

As you can see to all three concerts were sold over half a tickets.

Amway S105-7 tickets left , S S106-14, S 107-42, S 108-45, S 112-76, S 113-37, S114 -14, S115-35, S109A -3,S111A-15.

Sections 104,109,110,111,116,110A are soldout.

upper levels have not been realised for a sale,yet.

Gexa energy pavillon - S200-627,S201-513,S202-111,S203-242,S204-505,S205-623, S100-12,S102-9

Section 101 soldou

Susquehanna Bank Center S100-129,S101-9,S102-6,S103-10, S104-360,S 200-548, S201-294, S202-524,S203-373, S204- 626

[Dazey]

Well,for three shows you can check ticket selling.

Amway,Sasquena bank center and gexa energy pavilon.

As you can see to all three concerts were sold over half a tickets.

Amway S105-7 tickets left , S S106-14, S 107-42, S 108-45, S 112-76, S 113-37, S114 -14, S115-35, S109A -3,S111A-15.

Sections 104,109,110,111,116,110A are soldout.

upper levels have not been realised for a sale,yet.

Gexa energy pavillon - S200-627,S201-513,S202-111,S203-242,S204-505,S205-623, S100-12,S102-9

Section 101 soldou

Susquehanna Bank Center S100-129,S101-9,S102-6,S103-10, S104-360,S 200-548, S201-294, S202-524,S203-373, S204- 626

So that's consitent selling out of venues for 20 years is it? Even these are only half sold so what's your point?

[drtydane]

I think alot of it has to do with price... Still unsure that I want to shell out 90 bucks and drive and hour and a half to hear a winded Axl...

[Ghost_Guns]

It will only get worse.

MAN, when did you become such a debbie downer...good lord

[GET OFF AXLS BACK]

It will only get worse.

MAN, when did you become such a debbie downer...good lord

It creeped up on me lol

[gnrkoncerti]

Well,for three shows you can check ticket selling.

Amway,Sasquena bank center and gexa energy pavilon.

As you can see to all three concerts were sold over half a tickets.

Amway S105-7 tickets left , S S106-14, S 107-42, S 108-45, S 112-76, S 113-37, S114 -14, S115-35, S109A -3,S111A-15.

Sections 104,109,110,111,116,110A are soldout.

upper levels have not been realised for a sale,yet.

Gexa energy pavillon - S200-627,S201-513,S202-111,S203-242,S204-505,S205-623, S100-12,S102-9

Section 101 soldou

Susquehanna Bank Center S100-129,S101-9,S102-6,S103-10, S104-360,S 200-548, S201-294, S202-524,S203-373, S204- 626

So that's consitent selling out of venues for 20 years is it? Even these are only half sold so what's your point?

my point is ticket selling going well...10000 people per show is a success

[Dazey]

Well,for three shows you can check ticket selling.

Amway,Sasquena bank center and gexa energy pavilon.

As you can see to all three concerts were sold over half a tickets.

Amway S105-7 tickets left , S S106-14, S 107-42, S 108-45, S 112-76, S 113-37, S114 -14, S115-35, S109A -3,S111A-15.

Sections 104,109,110,111,116,110A are soldout.

upper levels have not been realised for a sale,yet.

Gexa energy pavillon - S200-627,S201-513,S202-111,S203-242,S204-505,S205-623, S100-12,S102-9

Section 101 soldou

Susquehanna Bank Center S100-129,S101-9,S102-6,S103-10, S104-360,S 200-548, S201-294, S202-524,S203-373, S204- 626

So that's consitent selling out of venues for 20 years is it? Even these are only half sold so what's your point?

my point is ticket selling going well...10000 people per show is a success

Not in a 20,000 capacity venue.

[RussTCB]

Well,for three shows you can check ticket selling.

Amway,Sasquena bank center and gexa energy pavilon.

As you can see to all three concerts were sold over half a tickets.

Amway S105-7 tickets left , S S106-14, S 107-42, S 108-45, S 112-76, S 113-37, S114 -14, S115-35, S109A -3,S111A-15.

Sections 104,109,110,111,116,110A are soldout.

upper levels have not been realised for a sale,yet.

Gexa energy pavillon - S200-627,S201-513,S202-111,S203-242,S204-505,S205-623, S100-12,S102-9

Section 101 soldou

Susquehanna Bank Center S100-129,S101-9,S102-6,S103-10, S104-360,S 200-548, S201-294, S202-524,S203-373, S204- 626

So that's consitent selling out of venues for 20 years is it? Even these are only half sold so what's your point?

my point is ticket selling going well...10000 people per show is a success

Not in a 20,000 capacity venue.

Again; WHY? Because you don't think it's a success? If Guns N' Roses plays a show in front of me, I call it a success and I could care less how many other people see it.

[Dazey]

Again; WHY? Because you don't think it's a success? If Guns N' Roses plays a show in front of me, I call it a success and I could care less how many other people see it.

It might still be a financial success in that they can still make money but I think the point is they used to sellout 20K arenas for mutilple nights in some cities in less than a day and now they are lucky to sell 50-75% of the tickets for one night in the same cities and the tickets sell very slowly.........the band is losing fan base here in the U.S. and Axl does not seem to care

This^^^^^ Thank you CR, always the voice of reason! It's not a success because they booked a 20,000 seater venue and only sold half the tickets. Whether they break even, make a profit or not it's not a resounding success! I tried to get tickets to see Radiohead in New York a couple of weeks ago and both consecutive nights sold out completely in less than 3 minutes! That's what you call a success. For a band of GnR's standing they shouldn't be playing to half empty arenas in their own home territory. The refusal to promote these shows in any meaningful way is having a detrimental effect on the attendances and hence the success of the tour and that's a fact!

[realpoti]

I haven't seen metallica guys or acdc on Leno.

Those guys are still selling out shows all over the world and they've been consistently touring for the last 20 years and more. Bit of a difference.

On the other hand, they don't have an album as good as Appetite or Chinese Democracy. Bit of a difference.

Sorry but AC DC certainly have material better than CD. Not that any of that's related to the topic at hand.

They don't have a single album which is as good as CD as a whole. They do have killer songs but it's one or two each album... none of their album matches the awesomness of an Appetite or CD.

I know that's your opinion and I respect that, but you should listen to more music. Metallica and AC/DC both have better albums than CD. Actually, almost all of their albums are better than CD. Most rock fans would agree with me. Hell, even Death Magnetic sold 490,000 copies in three days while Chinese Democracy (most anticipated album of the decade) couldn't sell 500,000 in a week. And they're both from 2008.

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

Let us just wait and see how it goes once they start the na tour...

i think guns are gonna do better than some of you think they are...

i just hope they have some really cool merchandise at the venues...

like wrist-sweat bands with the band logo on it or a bandanna

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marlon, do own a copy of death magnetic (2008)?

Edited October 20, 2011 by HOOSIER GUNZ

[Nintari]

In order to sell out arenas in the US, Axl would have to either..

A.)Release a commercially successful album (#1 hit song etc.)

or

B.)Reunite the old band

...anything short of that isn't going to cut it. American people are fickle and things change far too rapidly for what Axl's doing which is touring on a three year old album that had almost no US market penetration (hehe..I just said penetration). The only way a Guns N Roses tour would work here without a #1 hit is off of nostalgia and since Axl's the only thing nostalgic about the current line up, they're going to struggle to sell out shows of this size. Sad but true.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Nintari

[D..]

I know that's your opinion and I respect that, but you should listen to more music. Metallica and AC/DC both have better albums than CD. Actually, almost all of their albums are better than CD. Most rock fans would agree with me. Hell, even Death Magnetic sold 490,000 copies in three days while Chinese Democracy (most anticipated album of the decade) couldn't sell 500,000 in a week. And they're both from 2008.

Come on, you do know that quantity doesn't equal quality right? Metallica is more mainstream and advertised than GNR, you almost never hear GNR on radio except the "old songs" (and you don't hear them much nowadays). That's why CD failed to sell, no promotion while Metallica's Death Magnetic was everywhere. People are stupid, they buy what they see on advertisings, it's just as simple.

As for music, I listen to a lot of stuff and while I agree AC/DC have some great hits, they don't have an almost flawless album, same goes for Metallica, while CD is near perfect.

[Gagarin]

Seriously - not even the "top acts" with radio hits and have the pop culture obsessed about them can sell out the way acts used to do. The concert business is changed. Outside a few artists (who would surprise you), no one "sells out 20,000 arenas and stays for multiple days". Big shows now are papered, given 2 for 1 deals, or they're half empty. That's the way things are now.

When you hear stories about popstars cancelling shows? It isn't because they're tired or have other commitments. It's because sales have tanked.

[Dazey]

In order to sell out arenas in the US, Axl would have to either..

A.)Release a commercially successful album (#1 hit song etc.)

or

B.)Reunite the old band

...anything short of that isn't going to cut it. American people are fickle and things change far too rapidly for what Axl's doing which is touring on a three year old album that had almost no US market penetration (hehe..I just said penetration). The only way a Guns N Roses tour would work here without a #1 hit is off of nostalgia and since Axl's the only thing nostalgic about the current line up, they're going to struggle to sell out shows of this size. Sad but true.

Which is all the more reason why the lack of promotion makes no sense. He know's it's gonna be hard to sell out without either of the two things you've mentioned yet he doesn't seem to care.

[dalsh327]

They did keep the prices relatively low. I'm sure they'll do something like 10 dollar ticket announcements or buy one get one free if it's sluggish. Azoff restructured a lot of the ticket prices so people can get in to the venue and not have to pay big money for a nosebleed. People on Fri/Sat nights will tolerate the late shows than the people seeing them Sun-Thurs unless it's a holiday. Plus radio stations are going to have a large chunk of tickets to giveaway. And there's always the last minute batch of tix that they sell day of the show.

They should do the free ticket Tweet scavenger hunt for the Twitter followers and forum members. Some bands have done it, and it's kind of fun to make them work for free tix, but should be the best seats in the house. And maybe throw a backstage pass in there.

[Dazey]

They don't have an almost flawless album, same goes for Metallica, while CD is near perfect.

[Gagarin]

Can someone explain to me how both of these are true?

A- People don't even know who's in the band - people think Slash is in the band when they buy tickets.

B- A reunion would sell a bunch of tickets because people want to see Slash and Axl.

?

[Dazey]

Can someone explain to me how both of these are true?

A- People don't even know who's in the band - people think Slash is in the band when they buy tickets.

B- A reunion would sell a bunch of tickets because people want to see Slash and Axl.

?

C-People have no idea who is in the band and no idea the band are even touring cos nobody bothered to promote the tour.

[dalsh327]

Seriously - not even the "top acts" with radio hits and have the pop culture obsessed about them can sell out the way acts used to do. The concert business is changed. Outside a few artists (who would surprise you), no one "sells out 20,000 arenas and stays for multiple days". Big shows now are papered, given 2 for 1 deals, or they're half empty. That's the way things are now.

When you hear stories about popstars cancelling shows? It isn't because they're tired or have other commitments. It's because sales have tanked.

To me, the residency shows like Prince did are the way to go. Discount rate on the venue, not a lot of promotion involved, and people go to see you in that city, and don't have to set up and break down the equipment night after night. Kind of sucks for the crew if they're not getting salary.

Vegas gets a constant flow of people that people play to a different audience every night.

Someone like Tom Waits can sell out a venue because he plays theaters and rarely does shows, and his tour manager works with Ticketmaster. They tested out the ticketless ticket or whatever they called it by sliding your ID. They made it damn near impossible for scalpers, but there were tix going for 2000 dollars. I'm not kidding. People flew in to go see the show, and had to be escorted in with the scalper. Who prob. wound up seeing the show and having their hotel room paid for.

Kind of big brother-like to get your info though.

I remember them talking about Rihanna having to possibly cancel shows because tickets weren't selling, but I guess that helped sell tickets? And Rihanna's one of the biggest things going right now.

[Takeshi]

They should get back in the studio for a week and record a new song and release it as a single to grab some attention for the tour. If Axl went on some of the late night talk shows and promoted the album it would help as well. It's not going to happen but it would be nice if it did.

[Nick85]

I think we can also safely assume that a re-release is not in the cards for 2011 and probably ever since there's really no point after the states tour. CD will remain unavailable and in limbo at Best Buy, just like their website, just like their non-existant promotion, just like the other two "finished" albums. Untouched, and mishandled.

A decently promoted rerelease with a new (unheard) single could've been all the promotion this tour needed. Instead we're seeing the same half-assed nonsense we've been dealing with for years.