bacardimayne Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 http://www.led-zeppelin.org/current-news/1594-led-zeppelin-is-officially-getting-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven Serves em right. It's note for note. Should've been done 40 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NachoLZ Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 All of Led Zeppelin's hits have plagiarism. Its right, they should be sued more often, I like their music very much but they didn't create everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Stairway definitely derives inspiration from it however in order to win a case you have to have a substantial similarity, and the songs are standalone enough to where I don't think much is going to come of this case. This isn't as clear cut as say the Jake Holmes situation.As for the greater whole, the majority of Zeppelin's controversies stem from the first two albums. Not that I think the lack of proper credits were the morally right thing to do however I always find that the camp of people who do nothing but call Zeppelin theives are severely misrepresenting the actual tendencies of the band as a whole and how prolific they really were. Edited May 18, 2014 by WhazUp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Diet Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) The original writer of the song, Randy Wolfe (better known as Randy California) passed away in 1997, but a trust that handles his royalties are working with Spirit's founding bassist Mark Andes to build the case. Besides the obvious financial compensation, the band's goal is to get California the writing credit for ‘Stairway' that they feel he rightfully deserves.meh, just another cashgrabProbably will settles off court Edited May 18, 2014 by Crash Diet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Oujamaflip Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 There is a similarity in that one small sequence but I've heard a lot worse. Not entirely sure if it will get taken further. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEXzilla Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 They stole a small section of music here but it turns out it's the most important part of Stairway To Heaven. Seriously, once you here that intro you know what song it is.Hope they lose, no band that stole that much deserves the praise they get. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Bit late in the day isnt it, i wonder what took em so long to have a problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nosaj Thing Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 The ones suing are lucky most of the members of Led Zeppelin are alive. Suing after 40 years doesn't make any sense. That said, I can hear the opening notes at 0:44. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Like someone on another forum said, they might as well sue Bach for writing a song with descending half steps in it's intro, resolving on the root. It's seriously the only thing that is the same, and it's extremely common in classical music. It's like filing a lawsuit over stealing a chord.Maybe Paschebel's state can now sue Vitamin C, Green Day, Avril Lavigne, The Beatles etc. for stealing that one progression from Canon. Edited May 18, 2014 by moreblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 You can't seriously call Taurus and Stairway the same song. And he had over 40 years to do this. A fuckin' joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anguyen92 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Well, even though this is a fact, the statue of limitations has really got to be in play for this right? I mean it's not like the store where Slash stole the tophat is going to come after him or something (I actually remember him saying that the statue of limitations has to be in play for this from an episode of Top Gear). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 All of Led Zeppelin's hits have plagiarism.When you sit and listen to all their stuff front to back, this really isn't the case. There's the ones everybody knows about, and then there's the slightly more obscure ones, but they did create a lot more, the majority of their music, that wasn't nicked from anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobodys_Fault Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Like someone on another forum said, they might as well sue Bach for writing a song with descending half steps in it's intro, resolving on the root. It's seriously the only thing that is the same, and it's extremely common in classical music. It's like filing a lawsuit over stealing a chord.Except these guys toured with Zeppelin two years before they wrote Stairway. And a lot of the other songs on those first couple of albums have, through numerous lawsuits, had writing credits retroactively added. Zeppelin have been successfully sued for Whole Lotta Love, Babe I'm Gonna Love You, The Lemon Song and Dazed and Confused (The latter settled as recently as 2012 so clearly the statute of limitations does not apply).So why shouldn't these guys get the same credit? I don't think it's outright thievery - just a case of Zeppelin ommiting the details of certain 'inspirations'. No big deal. Just give the guys the credit they are due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Like someone on another forum said, they might as well sue Bach for writing a song with descending half steps in it's intro, resolving on the root. It's seriously the only thing that is the same, and it's extremely common in classical music. It's like filing a lawsuit over stealing a chord.Except these guys toured with Zeppelin two years before they wrote Stairway. And a lot of the other songs on those first couple of albums have, through numerous lawsuits, had writing credits retroactively added. Zeppelin have been successfully sued for Whole Lotta Love, Babe I'm Gonna Love You, The Lemon Song and Dazed and Confused (The latter settled as recently as 2012 so clearly the statute of limitations does not apply).Thing is, those were much more close to the originals, outright covers they credited to themselves. That's not necessarily the case with Taurus. There's a part that's similar, but the rest of the song has nothing to do with Spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Zombie Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I love the band spirit, led zeppelin i don't like, however sprit should get credit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I get that Page honed his craft as a session musician but it was a dick move to not acknowledge or thank anyone in the credits that inspired some of the songs. I mean Axl thanked Elton for "You Could be Mine", that's pretty much what some of the songwriters and musicians wanted. George Harrison lifted a lot from other guitarists and was blatant about it, but they let him have it. James Taylor could have had credit for The Beatles' "Something" but he was grateful to have his first album recorded by them and made enough "Fire and Rain" money not to care. There's bands who wrote lyrics to an existing melody and over time, changed the chords to it "Dazed and Confused" was really blatant in not acknowledging Holmes at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 Bit late in the day isnt it, i wonder what took em so long to have a problem with it.Kinda hard to sue one of the biggest bands in the world and win. Joe Satriani DEFINITELY had a case against Coldplay and Viva La Vida, but he lost that lawsuit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 And this one's pretty flimsy compared to the case Jake Holmes or Willie Dixon had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 George Harrison was sued for plagiarism and lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 It's note for note. not quite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay410 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Unfortunately what might be in Zeppelin's favor is that the estate or the guy himself waited so long to act. They could argue that the silence implied consent. Sort of like if a guy builds a fence and it goes into your yard and you don't say anything for years, legally it becomes his property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 Can't wait for led stealin' to have to pay this band 40 years of backpay when they lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 It's a passing similarity at best, and a brief one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 The Beatles - Because is merely, Moonlight Sonata played backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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