DieselDaisy Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Keep this thread on topic please, just cleaned up a load of irrelevant posts.You just removed some Coronation Street discussions!! Sacrilege!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Keep this thread on topic please, just cleaned up a load of irrelevant posts. You just removed some Coronation Street discussions!! Sacrilege!! I noticed how he kept in the talk about Steve's depression but allowed no such privilege to my post about Roy's Rolls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan H. Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 There hasn't been a cohesive GN'R album since 1987. Agreed. Lies and UYI were like Chinese in that way. I remember Slash comparing The Illusions to the White Album.I think Axl will always have his need to write ballads, but also to try a bunch of different styles and incorporate them into the Guns sound and it's always been a melting pot of sorts. Maybe it worked better on UYI compared to Chinese, but it was still basically the same approach. Lies less so, but on the UYIs, you have November Rain and Perfect Crime on the same disc. On UYI II, you have Estranged and My World sharing the same space. That's about as musically diverse as one can get. UYI is 'musically diverse'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Because nothing describes CD better than "cohesive unit"? Many albums are created in that way. It's nothing new. The White album for example contains Julia and Helter Skelter. Not comparing the quality of the music here, but they're both very diverse albums that work imo, even if stylistically they're not very cohesive.I guess I meant that songs that Axl picked for CD ll maybe wouldn't have worked as well with the songs we got on Chinese compared to how they work together as a unit on CD ll. He did describe CD ll as "meaner, darker" compared to Chinese.Having said that, it's kinda funny This I Love and Shackler's are on the same album. I believe it's partly because Axl waits too long between releases, so sometimes you're left with songs you want to release, but they sound like they came from a different era (cause they did) Robin had to convince Axl to release This I Love.Catcher sounds like it was changed to fit into Chinese and it's production fits the rest of the material on the album more then it fits the actual song imo.You're making no sense. Axl explicitly said that if you didn't like CD, you won't like the rest, implying that we're dealing with the same sort of material. And that Jackie Chan clip sounds just like everything that is wrong with CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Because nothing describes CD better than "cohesive unit"? Many albums are created in that way. It's nothing new. The White album for example contains Julia and Helter Skelter. Not comparing the quality of the music here, but they're both very diverse albums that work imo, even if stylistically they're not very cohesive.I guess I meant that songs that Axl picked for CD ll maybe wouldn't have worked as well with the songs we got on Chinese compared to how they work together as a unit on CD ll. He did describe CD ll as "meaner, darker" compared to Chinese.Having said that, it's kinda funny This I Love and Shackler's are on the same album. I believe it's partly because Axl waits too long between releases, so sometimes you're left with songs you want to release, but they sound like they came from a different era (cause they did) Robin had to convince Axl to release This I Love.Catcher sounds like it was changed to fit into Chinese and it's production fits the rest of the material on the album more then it fits the actual song imo.You're making no sense. Axl explicitly said that if you didn't like CD, you won't like the rest, implying that we're dealing with the same sort of material. And that Jackie Chan clip sounds just like everything that is wrong with CD. Since when do you believe anything Axl says? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 HahaOne of my favourites is when he said, he was trying to make an ''Appetite style record'' with Chinese, back in 1999. Does CD sound anything like Appetite to you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Because nothing describes CD better than "cohesive unit"? Many albums are created in that way. It's nothing new. The White album for example contains Julia and Helter Skelter. Not comparing the quality of the music here, but they're both very diverse albums that work imo, even if stylistically they're not very cohesive.I guess I meant that songs that Axl picked for CD ll maybe wouldn't have worked as well with the songs we got on Chinese compared to how they work together as a unit on CD ll. He did describe CD ll as "meaner, darker" compared to Chinese.Having said that, it's kinda funny This I Love and Shackler's are on the same album. I believe it's partly because Axl waits too long between releases, so sometimes you're left with songs you want to release, but they sound like they came from a different era (cause they did) Robin had to convince Axl to release This I Love.Catcher sounds like it was changed to fit into Chinese and it's production fits the rest of the material on the album more then it fits the actual song imo.You're making no sense. Axl explicitly said that if you didn't like CD, you won't like the rest, implying that we're dealing with the same sort of material. And that Jackie Chan clip sounds just like everything that is wrong with CD. Since when do you believe anything Axl says?Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Haha One of my favourites is when he said, he was trying to make an ''Appetite style record'' with Chinese, back in 1999. Does CD sound anything like Appetite to you? Well, there is a possibility that he changed his direction in the 9 years between that quote and Chinese Democracy's eventual release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gackt Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Leaks like Goin' Down and Checkmate sounded really promising, if that's what ChiDem2 will be like. A nice collection of vintage hard rock that'll make old and news Guns fans happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 HahaOne of my favourites is when he said, he was trying to make an ''Appetite style record'' with Chinese, back in 1999. Does CD sound anything like Appetite to you?Well, there is a possibility that he changed his direction in the 9 years between that quote and Chinese Democracy's eventual release.There is also the possibility that the man speaks verbal diarrhea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceguy Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Leaks like Goin' Down and Checkmate sounded really promising, if that's what ChiDem2 will be like. A nice collection of vintage hard rock that'll make old and news Guns fans happy.You think so? Those leaks sounded utterly bland and plain to me, like something any dad bar band would play while wearing cargo shorts and sandals at the local VFW. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) HahaOne of my favourites is when he said, he was trying to make an ''Appetite style record'' with Chinese, back in 1999. Does CD sound anything like Appetite to you?Well, there is a possibility that he changed his direction in the 9 years between that quote and Chinese Democracy's eventual release.There is also the possibility that the man speaks verbal diarrhea.life gets in the way. things happen and cause plans to change. get over it. I guess I just don't understand why ex-fans are trolling a thread about a new GN'R record and spouting off drivel like the post above. Edited January 10, 2015 by WFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRmello77 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Leaks like Goin' Down and Checkmate sounded really promising, if that's what ChiDem2 will be like. A nice collection of vintage hard rock that'll make old and news Guns fans happy.You think so? Those leaks sounded utterly bland and plain to me, like something any dad bar band would play while wearing cargo shorts and sandals at the local VFW.A.K.A Dizzy Reed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I like the progressive sounds of CD, like shacklers, better etc. If Slash was still in the band, you would have 2 minutes of vocals, little bridge and then a solo, and then the song wraps up, it didn't work too bad back in the day but that was just after the 80's had finished. These days I think its a good thing that Axl has took a different approach than just making classic rock type songs, I think it gives a more up to date type sound that a band of GnR's timeline needs to have to be honest, it appeals to new fans and takes the music in a different direction instead of just the same formula. That's why I'm looking forward to the next album, what else has Axl got up his sleeve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gackt Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 You think so? Those leaks sounded utterly bland and plain to me, like something any dad bar band would play while wearing cargo shorts and sandals at the local VFW.That's what happens when you approach music with an already negative opinion, cynical imagery floods the brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) Because nothing describes CD better than "cohesive unit"? Many albums are created in that way. It's nothing new. The White album for example contains Julia and Helter Skelter. Not comparing the quality of the music here, but they're both very diverse albums that work imo, even if stylistically they're not very cohesive.I guess I meant that songs that Axl picked for CD ll maybe wouldn't have worked as well with the songs we got on Chinese compared to how they work together as a unit on CD ll. He did describe CD ll as "meaner, darker" compared to Chinese.Having said that, it's kinda funny This I Love and Shackler's are on the same album. I believe it's partly because Axl waits too long between releases, so sometimes you're left with songs you want to release, but they sound like they came from a different era (cause they did) Robin had to convince Axl to release This I Love.Catcher sounds like it was changed to fit into Chinese and it's production fits the rest of the material on the album more then it fits the actual song imo.You're making no sense. Axl explicitly said that if you didn't like CD, you won't like the rest, implying that we're dealing with the same sort of material. And that Jackie Chan clip sounds just like everything that is wrong with CD.I'm making perfect sense. Even if the songs are similar in style and approach, they're still different songs. We don't know how they specifically sound like. Axl made the distinction of "Meaner, darker" when he talked about the CD ll material. Bach said in an interview how Axl explained to him when asked about The General that "this song goes thematically with that one etc, and that one is for the third album", and so on.I don't think it's all just ballads and rockers to Axl (just my guess) it seems like he put a lot of thought into how he divides the material he recorded to separate albums and each album contains a batch of songs that work best together in Axl's opinion.So, to Axl, these differences between groups of songs could mean for him that a specific song will fit with another on a different album for reasons you, me, or possibly anyone else wouldn't notice or care about, so the quality of the material could still be similar like I've already said.He's all about song trilogies and shit. He seems to really care about the big picture, how the material connects as a whole. Edited January 10, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outtagetme Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Kaneda gives me hope. I hope Axl recorded his vocals in 2006 or 2010 and doesn't tinker too much with the mixing board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Kaneda gives me hope. I hope Axl recorded his vocals in 2006 or 2010 and doesn't tinker too much with the mixing board. '06 era vocals meets Buckethead guitar playing would be unreal. I highly doubt that would happen, but I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I've heard from sources within the band that a new album is coming this year. Most of the songs are from the Chinese D era. No free dr pepper this time around 51 Tuesday's left in the year.Where and when did you hear that?Last night. My source is legit. But does anyone really care to hear an album made by guys not in the band?I don't mind. If the songs are good, I'm happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaxl stradler Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 awesome, chinese democracy b sides.. brilliant..can't wait to hear this train wreck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Once again, please refrain from posting links to forums run by and about banned members. Feel free to post and participate at any forum, but we'd ask that members adhere to the policy of not referring to banned members. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nambis Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Wow, gotta say it seems a bit extreme to not permit links to other GNR forums. Jeez. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 awesome, chinese democracy b sides.. brilliant..can't wait to hear this train wreck!Why are you posting on a fan forum if you're calling an album you haven't heard in any capacity a train wreck? Haters and ex-fans like you are a detriment to the band. If you pulled your head out of your ass far enough, you'd read where these are not "leftovers that didn't make the first cut", these were recorded with the intention of being a followup album to Chinese Democracy.So now the album is close leaks should follow right ?....hopefully not, leaks create distrust on both sides (the label and the band) and cause negotiations to stall for months, thus setting a release date even further back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bards Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) On topic, I believe kaneda if he says he was told a new album this year. But if the timeline matches up that he was told by Dizzy, well that really doesn't mean much to me. I'd be shocked if Dizzy learned about a release date before it was released to the media. Edited January 11, 2015 by downzy Removed personal insults directed towards another member 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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