Ace Nova Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 New York Times reporter that covers ISIS brings up some questions about possible ISIS links.... 1. After ISIS claimed Vegas, I was waiting for them to release Naba, their weekly newsletter, to see if anything new emerged. Naba is out: 10:54 AM - 5 Oct 2017 3,463 Retweets 3,219 Likes 325 replies3,463 retweets3,219 likes Reply 325 Retweet 3.5K Like 3.2K New conversation Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More Replying to @rcallimachi 2. Under a picture of the Mandalay Bay drenched in blood they rehash the attack. New info: They are now claiming shooter converted 6 mos ago 66 replies1,112 retweets827 likes Reply 66 Retweet 1.1K Like 827 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 3. Below is the @siteintelgroup translation. ISIS earlier said shooter converted "months ago." Now they're saying it was 6 mos specifically 64 replies1,133 retweets841 likes Reply 64 Retweet 1.1K Like 841 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 4. No proof is provided, but ISIS has rarely claimed attacks that were not by either their members or sympathizers. 58 replies818 retweets1,013 likes Reply 58 Retweet 818 Like 1.0K Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 5. ISIS members meanwhile are pointing out that after ISIS downed Metrojet over Sinai, no one believed them: 10 replies569 retweets598 likes Reply 10 Retweet 569 Like 598 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 6. In their chatrooms, they are claiming that the West and the media is leading a cover-up in order to hide the "martyrdom" of their brother 30 replies662 retweets761 likes Reply 30 Retweet 662 Like 761 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 7. I don't take ISIS' claim at face value. And so far, 0 evidence tying this attack to ISIS has emerged. 25 replies411 retweets653 likes Reply 25 Retweet 411 Like 653 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 8. But here's why I disagree with those rejecting it out of hand. I've been covering ISIS since 2014 and since then I have kept a timeline 13 replies433 retweets706 likes Reply 13 Retweet 433 Like 706 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 9. Everytime ISIS claimed an attack in West, I jotted it down. Month later, I've gone back over list & annotated what investigation found 9 replies469 retweets655 likes Reply 9 Retweet 469 Like 655 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 10. My list is not complete but of the more than 50 cases I have annotated, I could only find 3 false claims. 49 replies750 retweets1,064 likes Reply 49 Retweet 750 Like 1.1K Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 11. Yes, the group frequently exaggerates death tolls & yes, they inflate & distort details, but the crux of the claim is typically correct 8 replies384 retweets636 likes Reply 8 Retweet 384 Like 636 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 12. The thing to understand is ISIS considers an attack to be their handiwork if the attacker is sent by them or if he is inspired by them. 15 replies398 retweets596 likes Reply 15 Retweet 398 Like 596 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 13. The reason I don't buy argument that they are now opportunistically claiming attacks to deflect from battlefield losses is as follows 10 replies292 retweets445 likes Reply 10 Retweet 292 Like 445 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 14. Beyond the attacks they've claimed, there are many more they could have claimed but didn't. These are attacks where we know it was them 16 replies325 retweets518 likes Reply 16 Retweet 325 Like 518 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 15. Remember the Thalys train shouting? They never claimed it. Attacker shared a hotel room with Abdlehamid Abaaoud, leader of Paris attack 10 replies305 retweets465 likes Reply 10 Retweet 305 Like 465 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 16. Remember the attack on the Jewish Museum in Brussels? Attacker was 1 of ISIS' jailers who held European hostages. Yet they never claimed 13 replies319 retweets474 likes Reply 13 Retweet 319 Like 474 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 17. Do you remember the devastating attack on the Istanbul airport last year? Investigation determined it was ISIS. Again they did not claim 30 replies323 retweets506 likes Reply 30 Retweet 323 Like 506 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 18. And 1 day before Vegas on Saturday, a guy who'd placed ISIS flag on his car's dashboard used it to ram police. Did ISIS claim it? Nope 34 replies376 retweets489 likes Reply 34 Retweet 376 Like 489 Rukmini CallimachiVerified account @rcallimachi Oct 5 More 19 Does this mean ISIS had a role in Vegas? There is as yet 0 evidence of that. My point: This group has been more right than its been wrong 88 replies450 retweets775 likes Reply 88 Retweet 450 Like 775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 She is a legitimate reporter from the NY Times...so it caught my attention. There were also 3 people apprehended in NY today, linked to ISIS, that planned to carry out similar attacks of shooting into large crowds and concerts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: He was joking! lol P.S. Seriously though, @Len Cnut. Change your life, please. Also, fuck you. lol'ing!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 9 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: He was joking! lol I cant believe that required explaining...what about the context surrounding that post made him think it was a statement of intent?!? I need to keep my fuckin’ mouth shut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: Uh huh...uh huh...Intent. I see...*contacts homeland security* I wonder how many calls homeland security get a day from mad old grannys grassing up their next door neighbour for listening to Bollywood music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Thought this was a good read:https://townhall.com/notebook/stevesheldon/2017/10/05/please-stop-with-the-conspiracy-theories-regarding-the-las-vegas-shooting-n2390700 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Just now, RussTCB said: Thought this was a good read:https://townhall.com/notebook/stevesheldon/2017/10/05/please-stop-with-the-conspiracy-theories-regarding-the-las-vegas-shooting-n2390700 They won't stop. They haven't stopped with Sandy Hook. Conspiracy theories are born out of the fear of a gun ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) On average 100 people die from guns DAILY in the USA. The Las Vegas massacre is clearly horrible and different from other forms of gun violence, but important to remember that on the same day that 58 died in the Vegas Massacre, that statistically, 100 others also lost their lives to guns in the USA. https://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/ https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/06/us/las-vegas-gun-deaths.html Im horrified and gutted that this happened. That this happens. But I'm not at all surprised, sadly. Edited October 7, 2017 by soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, Georgy Zhukov said: They won't stop. They haven't stopped with Sandy Hook. Conspiracy theories are born out of the fear of a gun ban. Maybe not but at least we can debunk/counter them with facts and logic most of the time. Since authorities still have not uncovered a motive for this, they have free reign...since we have no facts to counter them with...at least when it comes to motive. We can use logic but they usually don't go for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 19 hours ago, Kasanova King said: Maybe not but at least we can debunk/counter them with facts and logic most of the time. Since authorities still have not uncovered a motive for this, they have free reign...since we have no facts to counter them with...at least when it comes to motive. We can use logic but they usually don't go for that. I've found that people who peddle in conspiracy theories despite an absence of facts and flaws in logic are usually driven by a self-sense of superiority. Only they know or believe the truth; it gives themselves value that they otherwise feel. Everyone else are just sheep and idiots; they know better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I saw this as a reaction on a Dutch satirical talkshow. The same one that made America First, The Netherlands Second. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Authorities are now changing their story in terms of the timeline of events, etc.... Security guard shot before concert shooting began On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announced a change to the sequence of events that occurred on Oct. 1, saying a security guard who encountered Paddock was actually shot at 9:59 p.m. local time, minutes before the 64-year-old unleashed a hail of gunfire on unsuspecting concertgoers. Previously, authorities had said that the security guard, Jesus Campos, was shot after Paddock had opened fire on the crowd below. Lombardo said Campos immediately reported to hotel security that he had been shot. However, responding officers did not know Campos had been shot until they arrived on the 32nd floor and encountered him, Lombardo said. It's unclear what ultimately led Paddock to stop shooting at the people below. Officials had originally thought that Campos distracted him. http://abcnews.go.com/US/latest-las-vegas-mass-shooting/story?id=50367905 (CNN)[Breaking news update at 6:45 p.m. ET] Stephen Paddock shot a security guard who was investigating an open door alarm on the 32nd floor before Paddock opened fire last weekend, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said. Paddock shot and injured the guard at 9:59 p.m. on October 1, Lombardo said. At 10:05 p.m, Paddock shot numerous rounds into a crowd of concertgoers from his hotel room at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, authorities have said. He continued firing for about nine to 11 minutes. Paddock's final shots were fired at 10:15 p.m., according to a police timeline. Authorities do not yet know what made him stop shooting, Lombardo said. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-shooting-suspect/index.html They had previously reported that the reason Paddock had stopped shooting was because the security guard had gone up to his room. This is starting to sound like a botched investigation and does not make the people investigating this look good...and opens up a can of worms (as if it wasn't bad enough yet) for conspiracy theorists. Edited October 10, 2017 by Kasanova King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 10 hours ago, username said: I saw this as a reaction on a Dutch satirical talkshow. The same one that made America First, The Netherlands Second. It's actually not that bad. 78% of Americans do not own a gun. And 58% of the guns in the U.S. are owned by 3% of the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Mandalay Bay/MGM stating that they don't believe what the police are reporting about the Massacre to be accurate/true. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59dd822be4b0b26332e7c94f?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Paddock now apparently used the freight elevator...which if it's like any other hotel, you would need a special key/pass to use. Also, the FBI just put Paddock's girlfriend on the FBI fly watch list. Definitely a lot more to this story then what is being told to the public atm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) His deposition thing is quite interesting. He comes across as a rich independent lairy fucker that did as he pleased. Quite enigmatic really, the kind of person that, had he not gone on to off a fuckload of innocent people in a casino, 50% would consider an arrogant arsehole and the other 50% would consider kinda cool. Thats kind of the American dream isn't it, rich, free, independent, answers to no one, fiercely private kinda guy. I don't think they'll ever find a motive because I don't think there was one. And that'll give rise to a million conspiracy theories because I don't think people can truly get their heads around evil for its own sake. But it exists...some people who are just cracked. I think its more comforting for people to think that these kinda folks are idiots (and to be fair they generally are, serial killers and the like, in retrospect all their case files have shit in it thats just like, indicative of ineptitude) but this appears to be a reasonably intelligent and calculating guy who knew exactly what he wanted to do and exactly how to go about it. And having no motive as he did, well I'm sure he got off on that immensely, for the simple reason of conversations like this that are going on around the world trying to figure him out...perhaps there's nothing to figure out and thats why no one ever will. Like when someone asked Henry Rollins why he didn't have any relationships in life and avoided intimacy he answered 'because i don't think i need it and because I'm reasonably certain that if i did get that intimacy they'd find that there was nothing there' as in nothing there in him, no essential self, no one or nothing to be discovered or nutured or...whatever. Edited October 12, 2017 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) .. Edited October 13, 2017 by Kasanova King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Spade Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/6/2017 at 10:40 AM, alfierose said: It is unsettling and not just from an Islamic point of view, there's a valid argument that someone like Elliot Rodgers was also radicalised by a very narrow world view. Another aspect to this that is rarely tackled head on is cultural male violence. Yes, before I get shouted down for this I realise 'not all men' and that occasionally women do horrific stuff too or are implicated as complicit in violent crimes. However I believe something like 90 odd % of violent crime is male and no one ever hears first reports of a lone shooter and thinks it's probably a woman who did it. This is an issue the world over but for the west it's particularly a problem in the US because of access to guns. If banning guns is really off the table ( I don't think it should be btw) then this is the next conversation that should be going on and not just within feminist groups. I read earlier about a street artist who has mocked Jimmy Kimmel for appearing publicly emotional about recent events, he was derided as having an estrogen problem. It's misogynistic crap like this that causes some men to feel their only or most socially acceptable outlet for frustration or unhappiness is rage, sometimes turned inwards contributing to a high suicide rate but often outwards towards murder or murder/suicide. I don't have any easy answers but the debate should be out there and ongoing. A Man control debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 14/10/2017 at 4:23 AM, Ace Spade said: A Man control debate? An American control debate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Breaking News: Las Vegas Shooter's brother, Bruce Paddock arrested on child porn charges. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-s-brother-custody-child-porn-probe-n811461 FYI, this seems to be the brother that lives in California....not the other brother, who gave the weird interviews that lives in Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shooters-laptop-missing-hard-drive/story?id=50709285 A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned. Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered, sources told ABC News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 The plot thickens...I kinda hate my prurient intrigue about this shit but I can't help it either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Yanks love conspiracy theory x-files stuff, although we have Lord Lucan so we are not completely immune either - or should I say, we don't have Lord Lucan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Yanks love conspiracy theory x-files stuff, although we have Lord Lucan so we are not completely immune either - or should I say, we don't have Lord Lucan. Its not so much even conspiracy theories more than what makes psychos tick. I'm a big one for watching documentaries on Ed Gein and all those serial killer nutter types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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