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Mass Shooting, Las Vegas, 10/01/2017


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New York Times reporter that covers ISIS brings up some questions about possible ISIS links....

 

1. After ISIS claimed Vegas, I was waiting for them to release Naba, their weekly newsletter, to see if anything new emerged. Naba is out:

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      6. In their chatrooms, they are claiming that the West and the media is leading a cover-up in order to hide the "martyrdom" of their brother

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      8. But here's why I disagree with those rejecting it out of hand. I've been covering ISIS since 2014 and since then I have kept a timeline

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      9. Everytime ISIS claimed an attack in West, I jotted it down. Month later, I've gone back over list & annotated what investigation found

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      11. Yes, the group frequently exaggerates death tolls & yes, they inflate & distort details, but the crux of the claim is typically correct

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      12. The thing to understand is ISIS considers an attack to be their handiwork if the attacker is sent by them or if he is inspired by them.

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      13. The reason I don't buy argument that they are now opportunistically claiming attacks to deflect from battlefield losses is as follows

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      14. Beyond the attacks they've claimed, there are many more they could have claimed but didn't. These are attacks where we know it was them

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      15. Remember the Thalys train shouting? They never claimed it. Attacker shared a hotel room with Abdlehamid Abaaoud, leader of Paris attack

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      16. Remember the attack on the Jewish Museum in Brussels? Attacker was 1 of ISIS' jailers who held European hostages. Yet they never claimed

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      17. Do you remember the devastating attack on the Istanbul airport last year? Investigation determined it was ISIS. Again they did not claim

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      18. And 1 day before Vegas on Saturday, a guy who'd placed ISIS flag on his car's dashboard used it to ram police. Did ISIS claim it? Nope

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      19 Does this mean ISIS had a role in Vegas? There is as yet 0 evidence of that. My point: This group has been more right than its been wrong

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Just now, RussTCB said:

 

They won't stop. They haven't stopped with Sandy Hook. Conspiracy theories are born out of the fear of a gun ban. 

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On average 100 people die from guns DAILY in the USA.  

The Las Vegas massacre is clearly horrible and different from other forms of gun violence, but important to remember that on the same day that 58 died in the Vegas Massacre, that statistically, 100 others also lost their lives to guns in the USA.

https://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics

https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/06/us/las-vegas-gun-deaths.html

Im horrified and gutted that this happened.  That this happens.  But I'm not at all surprised, sadly.

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35 minutes ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

 

They won't stop. They haven't stopped with Sandy Hook. Conspiracy theories are born out of the fear of a gun ban. 

Maybe not but at least we can debunk/counter them with facts and logic most of the time.  Since authorities still have not uncovered a motive for this, they have free reign...since we have no facts to counter them with...at least when it comes to motive.  We can use logic but they usually don't go for that.  :lol:

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19 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

Maybe not but at least we can debunk/counter them with facts and logic most of the time.  Since authorities still have not uncovered a motive for this, they have free reign...since we have no facts to counter them with...at least when it comes to motive.  We can use logic but they usually don't go for that.  :lol:

I've found that people who peddle in conspiracy theories despite an absence of facts and flaws in logic are usually driven by a self-sense of superiority.  Only they know or believe the truth; it gives themselves value that they otherwise feel.  Everyone else are just sheep and idiots; they know better.  

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Authorities are now changing their story in terms of the timeline of events, etc....

Security guard shot before concert shooting began

On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announced a change to the sequence of events that occurred on Oct. 1, saying a security guard who encountered Paddock was actually shot at 9:59 p.m. local time, minutes before the 64-year-old unleashed a hail of gunfire on unsuspecting concertgoers.

Previously, authorities had said that the security guard, Jesus Campos, was shot after Paddock had opened fire on the crowd below.

Lombardo said Campos immediately reported to hotel security that he had been shot. However, responding officers did not know Campos had been shot until they arrived on the 32nd floor and encountered him, Lombardo said.

It's unclear what ultimately led Paddock to stop shooting at the people below. Officials had originally thought that Campos distracted him.

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(CNN)[Breaking news update at 6:45 p.m. ET]

Stephen Paddock shot a security guard who was investigating an open door alarm on the 32nd floor before Paddock opened fire last weekend, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said.
Paddock shot and injured the guard at 9:59 p.m. on October 1, Lombardo said.
 
 
At 10:05 p.m, Paddock shot numerous rounds into a crowd of concertgoers from his hotel room at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, authorities have said. He continued firing for about nine to 11 minutes. Paddock's final shots were fired at 10:15 p.m., according to a police timeline. Authorities do not yet know what made him stop shooting, Lombardo said.
 
 
They had previously reported that the reason Paddock had stopped shooting was because the security guard had gone up to his room.  This is starting to sound like a botched investigation and does not make the people investigating this look good...and opens up a can of worms (as if it wasn't bad enough yet) for conspiracy theorists. 

 

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10 hours ago, username said:

I saw this as a reaction on a Dutch satirical talkshow. The same one that made America First, The Netherlands Second. 

 

 

 

 

It's actually not that bad.  78% of Americans do not own a gun.  And 58% of the guns in the U.S. are owned by 3% of the population. 

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Paddock now apparently used the freight elevator...which if it's like any other hotel, you would need a special key/pass to use.

 

Also, the FBI just put Paddock's girlfriend on the FBI fly watch list. 

 

Definitely a lot more to this story then what is being told to the public atm.

 

 

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His deposition thing is quite interesting.  He comes across as a rich independent lairy fucker that did as he pleased.  Quite enigmatic really, the kind of person that, had he not gone on to off a fuckload of innocent people in a casino, 50% would consider an arrogant arsehole and the other 50% would consider kinda cool.  Thats kind of the American dream isn't it, rich, free, independent, answers to no one, fiercely private kinda guy. 

I don't think they'll ever find a motive because I don't think there was one.  And that'll give rise to a million conspiracy theories because I don't think people can truly get their heads around evil for its own sake.  But it exists...some people who are just cracked.  I think its more comforting for people to think that these kinda folks are idiots (and to be fair they generally are, serial killers and the like, in retrospect all their case files have shit in it thats just like, indicative of ineptitude) but this appears to be a reasonably intelligent and calculating guy who knew exactly what he wanted to do and exactly how to go about it.  And having no motive as he did, well I'm sure he got off on that immensely, for the simple reason of conversations like this that are going on around the world trying to figure him out...perhaps there's nothing to figure out and thats why no one ever will.  Like when someone asked Henry Rollins why he didn't have any relationships in life and avoided intimacy he answered 'because i don't think i need it and because I'm reasonably certain that if i did get that intimacy they'd find that there was nothing there' as in nothing there in him, no essential self, no one or nothing to be discovered or nutured or...whatever. 

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On 10/6/2017 at 10:40 AM, alfierose said:

It is unsettling and not just from an Islamic point of view, there's a valid argument that someone like Elliot Rodgers was also radicalised by a very narrow world view.

Another aspect to this that is rarely tackled head on is cultural male violence. Yes, before I get shouted down for this I realise 'not all men' and that occasionally women do horrific stuff too or are implicated as complicit in violent crimes. However I believe something like 90 odd % of violent crime is male and no one ever hears first reports of a lone shooter and thinks it's probably a woman who did it.

This is an issue the world over but for the west it's particularly a problem in the US because of access to guns. If banning guns is really off the table ( I don't think it should be btw) then this is the next conversation that should be going on and not just within feminist groups.

I read earlier about a street artist who has mocked Jimmy Kimmel for appearing publicly emotional about recent events, he was derided as having an estrogen problem. It's misogynistic crap like this that causes some men to feel their only or most socially acceptable outlet for frustration or unhappiness is rage, sometimes turned inwards contributing to a high suicide rate but often outwards towards murder or murder/suicide.

I don't have any easy answers but the debate should be out there and ongoing.

A Man control debate?

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Breaking News: Las Vegas Shooter's brother, Bruce Paddock arrested on child porn charges. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-s-brother-custody-child-porn-probe-n811461

FYI, this seems to be the brother that lives in California....not the other brother, who gave the weird interviews that lives in Florida. 

 

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shooters-laptop-missing-hard-drive/story?id=50709285

A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned.

Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered, sources told ABC News.

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10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Yanks love conspiracy theory x-files stuff, although we have Lord Lucan so we are not completely immune either - or should I say, we don't have Lord Lucan.

Its not so much even conspiracy theories more than what makes psychos tick.  I'm a big one for watching documentaries on Ed Gein and all those serial killer nutter types. 

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