veon Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Pele said: All subjective but they aren't good songs. This is a collective of people who are or were fans of his ability, and the general consensus is that Silkworms is terrible, Atlas is forgettable and HardSkool/Perhaps would have made decent enough filler on UYI. (This is a general broad consensus - no need to chime in and say I'm wrong because you think Silkworms is great, or Perhaps sucks etc). That's the opinion on a fan site for the band. Actual music fans in general will be far less favorable. In fact, if a lot of people saw a garage band of 14 year old kids and they did 'Silkworms' you'd be embarrassed for them - let along the guy who wrote Nov Rain and Estranged.  He 'digs it' because he finished it. And he is running out of options. There were 2 'decent' ones left. HardSkool and Perhaps - so he's likely pairing them with the shit ones (Silkworms and Atlas).  Question for anyone/everyone - if the next 'new' release is Perhaps/Atlas double single, will you accept the vault is pretty much empty or will you STILL believe he has a load of unreleased finished material?  No, that would not sway my opinion. There was seemed to be a bias towards releasing previously leaked songs on CD vs. songs known to the general public. Releasing Perhaps and Atlas next (preceded by Hard Skool and Silkworms) would, in my mind follow that precedent.  To follow your logic, the only post-99 vocal recordings were Scraped, Shacklers, If The World and a re-recoding of vocals for This I Love (all potentially spread out over years). Doesn’t make sense to me that he would come out of vocal hibernation in the mid-aughts to record a scattershot of songs, without recording anything else. Plus, that would assume that Scraped and Shacklers were the only Buckehead compositions that ever came to fruition in his four years in the fold. That doesn’t wash to me. Not to say I’m right, but I’m not going to take a staunch position of strength based on zero knowledge of the situation. I’m all for Occam’s Razor- too many assumptions must be made on either side to land on a position of absolute certainty. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 14 hours ago, veon said:  To follow your logic, the only post-99 vocal recordings were Scraped, Shacklers, If The World and a re-recoding of vocals for This I Love (all potentially spread out over years)  No, If The World has vocals in 1999. The songs with vocals after 1999 are: Better Cuban Skies Berlin Sorry Songs with vocals after 2004: This I Love The General Soul Monster Seven Shackler's Revenge Scraped New vocals after 2007?: This I Love (Remix) Tonto Monstrocity Light My Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, veon said: No, that would not sway my opinion. There was seemed to be a bias towards releasing previously leaked songs on CD vs. songs known to the general public. Releasing Perhaps and Atlas next (preceded by Hard Skool and Silkworms) would, in my mind follow that precedent.  To follow your logic, the only post-99 vocal recordings were Scraped, Shacklers, If The World and a re-recoding of vocals for This I Love (all potentially spread out over years). Doesn’t make sense to me that he would come out of vocal hibernation in the mid-aughts to record a scattershot of songs, without recording anything else. Plus, that would assume that Scraped and Shacklers were the only Buckehead compositions that ever came to fruition in his four years in the fold. That doesn’t wash to me. Not to say I’m right, but I’m not going to take a staunch position of strength based on zero knowledge of the situation. I’m all for Occam’s Razor- too many assumptions must be made on either side to land on a position of absolute certainty. The logic that there were 'only' 4-5 songs completed in 2005-2007 is perfectly plausible. This is a guy who has released ONE album of original material in 30 years - only one of those songs he wrote himself, the others likely consisting of instrumentals written for him (apart from maybe Madagascar). In fact, I believe it would be unusually busy of him to 'come out of retirement' and record a scattershot of songs. You seem to imply that he;s doing much more than that. One album in 30 years. New singles are 99 demos. Slash admits no new songs. You still think this guy is hoarding unreleased material?  Do not try and demonstrate logical thinking by applying Occam's Razor, while behaving like an obsessed schoolgirl chasing a crush that doesn't notice her.. Admitting you'll STILL believe he may have finished material if his next release consists of yet more vocal takes from those tapes suggests you're not thinking straight. 28 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:  No, If The World has vocals in 1999. The songs with vocals after 1999 are: Better Cuban Skies Berlin Sorry Songs with vocals after 2004: This I Love The General Soul Monster Seven Shackler's Revenge Scraped New vocals after 2007?: This I Love (Remix) Tonto Monstrocity Light My Fire What about all those songs you made up? Why aren't you listing these anymore? Casino Night Sky or whatever is about as real as Seven with vocals. Edited December 26, 2021 by Pele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Pelé, so, are you saying that the ONLY finished songs by Guns N' Roses after 1994 are?: Chinese Democracy Shackler's Revenge Better Street Of Dreams If The World There Was a Time Catcher In The Rye Scraped Riad N' The Bedouins Sorry IRS Madagascar This I Love Prostitute Oh My God Absurd! Hard Skool Going Down Atlas Shrugged Perhaps State Of Grace Cuban Skies The General Thyme (intended as an instrumental piece) Seven and Soul Monster not finished??   Edited December 26, 2021 by CubanSkies Dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: Pelé, so, are you saying that the ONLY finished songs by Guns N' Roses after 1994 are?: Chinese Democracy Shackler's Revenge Better Street Of Dreams If The World There Was a Time Catcher In The Rye Scraped Riad N' The Bedouins Sorry IRS Madagascar This I Love Prostitute Oh My God Absurd! Hard Skool Going Down Atlas Shrugged Perhaps State Of Grace The General Thyme (intended as an instrumental piece) Seven and Soul Monster not finished??   Yes, I'm 100% saying that IMO, those are the only completed songs and Seven and Soul Monster weren't finished. I don't think State of Grace is finished, those mumbled verses needed finishing. There are serious question marks over 'The general'. I don't believe Thyme's final destination was intended to be one minute of music as a standalone. Edited December 26, 2021 by Pele 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) I just added Cuban Skies (a song about cigars). Also, Seven is described with a "punch of your face chorus". And Rose wrote about Soul Monster. Edited December 26, 2021 by CubanSkies Dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: I just added Cuban Skies (a song about cigars). Also, Seven is described with a "punch of your face chorus". And Rose wrote about Soul Monster. Are you seriously taking that Brain interview as truth? Someone asked him to describe Seven and he said something utterly dismissive like 'it has a suck your ballbag bridge and a punch you in the face chorus" In a lengthy, more serious interview - he said it was an instrumental written by him and his friend. I doubt Rose ever touched it lyrically. Edited December 26, 2021 by Pele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: I just added Cuban Skies (a song about cigars). Also, Seven is described with a "punch of your face chorus". And Rose wrote about Soul Monster. The guy that claimed to have heard Cuban Skies admitted he never heard any vocals - just music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pele said: Someone asked him to describe Seven and he said something utterly dismissive like 'it has a suck your ballbag bridge and a punch you in the face chorus" Fun fact, that was me. I don't think Brain would be blatantly lying about GN'R songs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pele said: Are you seriously taking that Brain interview as truth? Someone asked him to describe Seven and he said something utterly dismissive like 'it has a suck your ballbag bridge and a punch you in the face chorus" In a lengthy, more serious interview - he said it was an instrumental written by him and his friend. I doubt Rose ever touched it lyrically. I think the "instrumental" was The General. Years later, that song wasn't a instrumental. It has Axl vocals. I really think that Cuban Skies, Seven and Soul Monster has vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: Fun fact, that was me. I don't think Brain would be blatantly lying about GN'R songs. I think he was blatantly lying - in a dismissive 'stop asking me about Axl Rose songs' kind of way.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 minute ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: I think the "instrumental" was The General. Years later, that song wasn't a instrumental. It has Axl vocals. I really think that Cuban Skies, Seven and Soul Monster has vocals. A lot of people do. I don't. And with respect, you claimed to have heard Casino Night Royal, El Hernando, Here Today, Roll On 2 U and whatever else - are you actually sticking with that or do you admit the list of songs and subsequent review were a bit of fun/fiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pele said: I think he was blatantly lying - in a dismissive 'stop asking me about Axl Rose songs' kind of way.  Of course you need to believe that to preserve your fantasy. It's the backfire effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 So, if we speak about a brand new album, these would be the released songs: Absurd! Hard Skool Oh My God Going Down Atlas Shrugged Perhaps State Of Grace Thyme The General  Cuban Skies? Seven? Soul Monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Of course you need to believe that to preserve your fantasy. It's the backfire effect. Yes, I believe he didn't finish the song. I believe 'Seven' was titled 'Circus Maximus' on the Village Disks and is the same today as it was back then. If you're right, then 'Seven' will be released with verses and chorus. I'm predicting it never will be.  Let's see what happens. Edited December 26, 2021 by Pele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: So, if we speak about a brand new album, these would be the released songs: Absurd! Hard Skool Oh My God Going Down Atlas Shrugged Perhaps State Of Grace Thyme The General  Cuban Skies? Seven? Soul Monster? Yes, I've stated that IF a new album ever came out - Roses' contributions would be Absurd, HardSkool, OMG, Atlas, Perhaps and maybe The General. They may include a cover of KOHD on it, or as a 'bonus'. You've already heard the new album haven't you - and you've listed all the new tracks and kindly reviewed them all.  You claimed to have heard Casino Night Royal, El Hernando, Here Today, Roll On 2 U and whatever else - are you actually sticking with that or do you admit the list of songs and subsequent review were a bit of fun/fiction?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, Pele said: They may include a cover of KOHD on it, or as a 'bonus'. Â Your posts are ridiculous, but at least you're entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Ok, all right. So, the next album has its songs ready to go: Thyme Oh My God Atlas Shrugged Going Down Perhaps State Of Grace The General Hard Skool Absurd! Hm. Short album if you ask me, @Pele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted December 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2021 It's only on a GN'R forum where you get to watch two different fake insiders try to out do each other with fake inside info. 2 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Russ, c'mon, you're smart. I'm not an insider. I don't even speak english very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 minute ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: Russ, c'mon, you're smart. I'm not an insider. I don't even speak english very well. LOL, I'm certain you're not an insider. Not sure what language would have to do with that though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: Russ, c'mon, you're smart. I'm not an insider. I don't even speak english very well. You're the perfect insider. You posted fake songtitles, fake lyrics, a fake review and said you don't care if we don't believe but we'll all be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Regarding the next album, I think this list sums everything very well: Songs for the next album: Thyme Oh My God Atlas Shrugged Cuban Skies Going Down Perhaps Seven Berlin State Of Grace The General Soul Monster Light My Fire (Monstrosity) Hard Skool Absurd! Abandoned tracks: Quick Song Zodiac Tonto Nothin' Probably fake brand new tracks: Roll On 2 You Feelin' It Casino Night Zone War Schemes Ode To Dodoria Blue Volcano El Hermano Here Today Riders Out Of Sight Edited December 26, 2021 by CubanSkies Dummy 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: Regarding the next album, I think this list sums everything very well: Songs for the next album: Thyme Oh My God Atlas Shrugged Cuban Skies Going Down Perhaps Seven Berlin State Of Grace The General Soul Monster Light My Fire (Monstrosity) Hard Skool Absurd! Abandoned tracks: Quick Song Zodiac Tonto Nothin' Probably fake brand new tracks: Roll On 2 You Feelin' It Casino Night Zone War Schemes Ode To Dodoria Blue Volcano El Hermano Here Today Riders Out Of Sight So why are these new songs 'probably fake' all of a sudden? You brought them up, you provided those weird lyrics, you provided a comprehensive review? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 34 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said: Ok, all right. So, the next album has its songs ready to go: Thyme Oh My God Atlas Shrugged Going Down Perhaps State Of Grace The General Hard Skool Absurd! Hm. Short album if you ask me, @Pele I know, which is why I don't think we'll ever get it. I don't think State of Grace or Thyme will be on it (unfortunately, because they are both good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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