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Just now, FRANSAD said:

Yeah it was loaded till 100% so thats why it was pretty quiet with pms lately lol, i just created some space, not sure if its smart to say that here ;-)

 

Just shot you a PM :)

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I have such a small channel on YouTube of like 252 subscribers and I've posted so many of my own videos from the shows over the years and the latest from Vegas was copyright from universal according to the email I got. It's a joke its my video, I really dont get it, it's not like I make money from it. Can anyone explain to me why they get pulled?

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52 minutes ago, FRANSAD said:

Well, it's a long story, but you asking this is another reason to create an explainer video, the same goes for the numerous 'innocent' YouTubers that suddenly lost their channels which they, in some cases, had for years without any problem. All because TB felt the need to put some idiots in charge of removing videos from YT. While they could have easily made a statement about it so people would know and have peace with it. But no instead of that they asked people to share and tag them into any gnr related video for easy removal. What a way to treat your fans, think it's about time to repay them with an unremovable video and tag em all over it.  /end of rant.

Obviously the rant bit is yesterday's news, but if you can find a way to fix this, then that'd be a good thing 

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They brought Slash and Duff back tho. I'll take every copyright strike to get those 2 back.

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9 hours ago, FRANSAD said:

Well, it's a long story, but you asking this is another reason to create an explainer video, the same goes for the numerous 'innocent' YouTubers that suddenly lost their channels which they, in some cases, had for years without any problem. All because TB felt the need to put some idiots in charge of removing videos from YT. While they could have easily made a statement about it so people would know and have peace with it. But no instead of that they asked people to share and tag them into any gnr related video for easy removal. What a way to treat your fans, think it's about time to repay them with an unremovable video and tag em all over it.  /end of rant.

I didnt really want to believe it was TB or whoever they put In charge but if that's the case then I'm pissed off. Been forever a fan gone to countless amount of shows since 02 and just put a few vids from different concerts for fans who dont get the chance to see them up. Not interested in making money or whatever so it makes no fucking sense. 

1 hour ago, zombux said:

those clowns were in no way responsible for bringing the two back, so there's no need to thank them. I guess it happened pretty much despite them. 

Wow I remember you from the cd.com days back in 06! Nice to see you appear again man

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31 minutes ago, Guns N Roses 4 Lyf said:

Wow I remember you from the cd.com days back in 06! Nice to see you appear again man

glad to meet another guy from the old days here! :) 06 was a glorious time!

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2 hours ago, Guns N Roses 4 Lyf said:

I didnt really want to believe it was TB or whoever they put In charge but if that's the case then I'm pissed off. 

TB denies they are behind it. There are some clowns that take down videos, and they will claim TB asked to do it. Whether that is true or not, they probably do it because they think they are doing TB/GN'R a favor. Then it is likely the label is taking down videos too, and I think we all hope that it is in anticipation of a UYI box set, although that doesn't seem to fit very well with what is being taken down. So who knows?

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At best Team Brazil allow it to occur and implicitly endorse it by failing to clarify situation and condemn culprits, who let's not forget have delivered up threats and abuse to fellow fans. At worst Team Brazil certainly are sanctioning it and the individuals are merely worker bees. Either way, Team Brazil (and Del) are utterly dire people.

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58 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

TB denies they are behind it. There are some clowns that take down videos, and they will claim TB asked to do it. Whether that is true or not, they probably do it because they think they are doing TB/GN'R a favor. Then it is likely the label is taking down videos too, and I think we all hope that it is in anticipation of a UYI box set, although that doesn't seem to fit very well with what is being taken down. So who knows?

Not too plausible indeed. For this amount of absurdity to make any sense, we'd have to be talking about some major, massive release containing heaps of pro-shot videos from the UYI era plus maybe the backstage documentation etc. I don't know, man. There might be some remastered release like in the case of AfD Locked n' Loaded, but I'm seriously not expecting anything of the said magnitude. And in such case, this whole thing is just pathetic. 

Edit: And yes, they've been taking down everything. Doesn't make sense. 

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I haven't posted on any GNR forum for quite some time and haven't taped, shared GNR shows for quite some time.

However, I have previously shared quite a few shows back in the old days.  Here is my 2 cent.

I cant honestly understand why they don't embrace things such as YT as opposed to fighting it.  Many bands such as Metallica have embraced this culture even to the point of releasing every live show to the community and making money off it - fans get the shows, the band make money and finds a happy medium.

What is clear is that TB do not have the knowledge, skills or motivation to actually look at the community and think of ways that will please the fans and meet the need of the 'business model'.  They cant even provide the argument that we want to protect the content of the shows when it is the same setlist and the tour has been going since 2016!

It smacks of 'the fans will still pay to see the shows YB videos or not' which is  pretty petty and shitty way of treating a community that has stuck with the band despite period after period of non activity.  I would have more respect if they just came out and said 'we don't like YT videos and we will take down any videos that are put on' - at least we would have absolute clarity where they stand.

 

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They could profit from it! They are not even good at the thing they prioritise, cash! Fans would buy far more Kissology type things (or Metallica style downloads of every show) than toy trucks and beach towels. 

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28 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

They could profit from it! They are not even good at the thing they prioritise, cash! Fans would buy far more Kissology type things (or Metallica style downloads of every show) than toy trucks and beach towels. 

Absolutely - it is about them embracing technology.  Everyone has a camera phone, lots of people use YT - don't fight it, join it and make it into something that can benefit the band and the business

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33 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

They could profit from it! They are not even good at the thing they prioritise, cash! Fans would buy far more Kissology type things (or Metallica style downloads of every show) than toy trucks and beach towels. 

Right? Exactly. Again, that would require their management to incorporate a guy who understands this approach and is able to manage this side of fandom/merch business. 
The trouble is, they’ve quite apparently chosen the old black-or-white approach, meaning "we’ve had some serious issues with 'external' people (managers), so fuck it, we’ll manage everything ourselves now", even though TB is not really competent enough to do this job, as we can see. 

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Do TB even have a say in regards to releasing live shows, like Metallica does? Or is it the label's decision?

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7 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

At best Team Brazil allow it to occur and implicitly endorse it by failing to clarify situation and condemn culprits, who let's not forget have delivered up threats and abuse to fellow fans. At worst Team Brazil certainly are sanctioning it and the individuals are merely worker bees. Either way, Team Brazil (and Del) are utterly dire people.

1000% this. 

And for me, TB denying it means absolutely nothing. TB are the same people who claimed they had no idea it was going on, long after they'd be been shown proof it was happening. 

Then after they started choosing to acknowledge it, changed their tune and said they knew about it but didn't know who was doing it. 

They were shown several times proof of who was doing it and that those people were claiming to be working with TB. 

Then Beta went and directly lied to a fan via Instagram, where she changed back to claiming to have no idea who was doing it. 

I'm not sure how we're supposed to decide which of TBs lies are true.... 

They never have any shortage of defenders though, because they known exactly what carrots to dangle to which type of fans hoping for some connection to the band. 

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14 hours ago, moreblack said:

They brought Slash and Duff back tho. I'll take every copyright strike to get those 2 back.

They had nothing to do with Slash and Duff coming back. 

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12 hours ago, zombux said:

those clowns were in no way responsible for bringing the two back, so there's no need to thank them. I guess it happened pretty much despite them. 

They were only responsible in the sense that after all those years of mismanagement Axl was left with no choice but to get Slash back in to save his legacy.

To the best of our knowledge, they also managed to take Izzy (who had worked with Duff the previous year and showed up to play with Axl and Slash on numerous occasions) and completely insult and alienate him with their offers for the reunion.

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I just think for me, even if the worst case scenario is right, who cares. TB work for Axl, and if he's happy with what they do then that is all that matters. The forum is about the band, not TB, let them worry about who the staff are. 

There must be other ways of sharing media outside of YouTube, set up a closed section of the forum where people cannot see the links, find ways to fix it. Proactivity rather than reactivity.

I get people are annoyed that videos are being taken down, but 61 pages of the same comments over and over..?

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40 minutes ago, Stress Fracture said:

They were only responsible in the sense that after all those years of mismanagement Axl was left with no choice but to get Slash back in to save his legacy.

To the best of our knowledge, they also managed to take Izzy (who had worked with Duff the previous year and showed up to play with Axl and Slash on numerous occasions) and completely insult and alienate him with their offers for the reunion.

Like they are the ones that call all the shots regarding offers, right?

Listen, nobody on this band or in the TB management does anything without Axl's approval or final word, he is the one who runs the company, he's the GNR CEO.

We need to stop blaming TB for anything that goes wrong with this band, things were worse when they were not around as managers. THIS BAND WAS, IS AND WILL BE DYSFUNCTIONAL! This is GNR!

Izzy and Steven sold their rights, which is different from Slash and Duff, so they don't need to be payed equaly. The thing is GNR offered Izzy 50k per concert, but he'd never imagined that the tour would take three whole years to complete. And then people think the offer is a complete insult, but 175 shows later X 50K = US$ 8.7 million that he (Izzy) choose not to get!

With Steven is different, I love the guy, but he has being bad mouthing the band and Axl for the last 28 years. Always complaining, always insulting Axl, and then you think you going to be in a 3 year tour with the guy?

Both of them are not reliable in different ways and so this is not on TB, but on their own (Izzy and Steven) account.

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I still don't understand why people don't seem to get the fact TB have no control over what YouTube does as it's a third party. 

YouTube have their own policies around copyright and removeal of content as a third party and separate entity. 

As I have explained before, the same issue of copy right content being removed is also effecting Nascar, as their copyright material was being flagged and removed from curtain Nascar fan YouTube channels. 

It turns out, these requests were made by a fan, who happens to have their own YouTube Nascar fan channel. 

Nascar was contacted about this matter, and they wish they could have assisted, but their was nothing they could do as YouTube is a third party and these take downs operated under YouTubes own terms and conditions. 

All these external issues involving TB are irrelevant. 

The issues are entirely based around YouTubes own policies and clear loop holes being exploited. 

In short, their is nothing anyone can do, who is the legal owner of copyright material or a person , who personally recorded content and then uploaded that content to YouTube, to prevent any one person from flagging or requesting that content be removed, with this content being deemed for what ever reason, a breach of YouTubes terms and conditions. 

If some of you have an issue with the take downs, I would suggest you direct that at YouTube. 

Good luck with that one. 

Given TB are an easy target to blame, as they won't respond or publicly comment. 

If you are objective about this issue, take a step back, you might understand why. 

Why get involved in something that does not directly involve you, that's out of your control or take on a battel you are not going to win against YouTube. 

I would think the best approach, is to focus on things you can control. 

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Just now, kiwiguns said:

I still don't understand why people don't seem to get the fact TB have no control of what YouTube does as it's is a third party. 

YouTube have their own policies around copyright and removeal of content as a third party and separate entity. 

As I have explained before, the same issue of copy right content being removed is also effecting Nascar, as their copyright material was being flagged and removed from curtain Nascar fan YouTube channels. 

It turned out, these requests were made by a fan, who happens to have their own YouTube Nascar fan channel. 

Nascar was contacted about this matter, and they wish they could have assisted but their was nothing they could do as YouTube is a third party and these take downs operated under their terms and conditions. 

All these external issues involving TB are irrelevant. 

This issue are around YouTubes own policies and a clear loop hole being exploited. 

If some of you have an issue with the take downs I would suggest you direct that at YouTube. 

Good luck with that one. 

No one is misunderstanding your point, it's that the point isn't valid in any way. 

Here's why: YouTube is not removing these videos on their own. They're doing so because they're being notified of which videos to take down by two "fans" who claim they're working on behalf of TB. 

So with those facts in play, the culpability goes back to TB, not YouTube. 

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On 01/11/2019 at 8:20 PM, Mysteron said:

It's just a complex situation

Axl does what he does, he's never been the most public of individuals, and management have to respect this whilst trying to please the fans. 

Downzy has explained the video takedowns, it's a fan driven thing on a third party website, and the songs are owned by the record company. Management are more into merch, tours and online promotion. This is something outside of their job scope, but their is a responsibility to keep the fans happy.

But then we have the hardcore fanbase, it is a fanbase who have had one album in 20 years, it's a tough crowd to keep happy. It looks like Fernando informally tried to reach out on Reddit but got batted into silence by people responding to him.

I'd agree that people can always be better at who they are, what they do and what they know. But that applies to all of us.

Why does he have to reach out informally? 

If he wants to talk to fans shy doesn't  he contact a forum and do it, OR why not just get the facts from people who know and release a statement detailing preventative measures.

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