New album this year rumour

[wasted]

On 17 December 2016 at 5:48 PM, Rovim said:

They didn't want the first Greatest Hits to be released. They tried to stop it. Then, when it got released anyway, it sold a shitload. It wouldn't make any sense to release another one before the reunited Gn'R (3 of them at least) put out another album of original material. That one could have covers on it, like Illusions, but given the fact Axl has released 15 tunes in 25 years, that would not be ideal.

But if I remember correctly before CD came out they were readying up GH 2 around 2005-6?Slash said he approved of the tracklist but Axl's people's politics were lacking or something. I think it was to be called Welcome to the Jungle: The Very Best of Guns N Roses.

I guess these days a NITL live blu ray might do better. 

The true win would be the 3-cd release. Victory or Death. With everything from old GNR songs like Crash Diet to old Izzy material, CD era stuff, 96 lost album, new songs, covers, remixes, alt versions etc. 

Go against the grain and release it as a 3-cd package for $30. 

Edited December 27, 2016 by wasted
CD II the shizzle

[Rovim]

4 hours ago, wasted said:

But if I remember correctly before CD came out they were readying up GH 2 around 2005-6?Slash said he approved of the tracklist but Axl's people's politics were lacking or something. I think it was to be called Welcome to the Jungle: The Very Best of Guns N Roses.

I guess these days a NITL live blu ray might do better. 

The true win would be the 3-cd release. Victory or Death. With everything from old GNR songs like Crash Diet to old Izzy material, CD era stuff, 96 lost album, new songs, covers, remixes, alt versions etc. 

Go against the grain and release it as a 3-cd package for $30. 

But isn't that a best of? not a greatest hits. Can't choose a tracklist for a greatest hits compilation I think. A blu ray of a live show will make more sense to me, yeah. At least I know I'll buy it. I think it's very likely they'll release one.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Rovim

[Rovim]

5 hours ago, wasted said:

the 3-cd album could be coming. They have the matetial and the guitar player to do it. 

I think a double album or a trilogy with Slash noodles and Duff butt fucking is possible, but like in 4 to 5 years time. Perhaps even more. They do have the material if you believe Fortus, Dizzy, and Skwerl.

I keep in mind Axl said he's interested in writing lyrics and melodies first, so I'm guessing at least some of the material doesn't even exists yet.

 

Edited December 27, 2016 by Rovim

[wasted]

34 minutes ago, Rovim said:

But isn't that a best of? not a greatest hits. Can't choose a tracklist for a greatest hits compilation I think. A blu ray of a live show will make more sense to me, yeah. At least I know I'll buy it. I think it's very likely they'll release one.

True a GH is done. Wasn't Estranged some sort of hit? A 2-cd Best of. 

But I would prefer a live album with Slash versions of CD material. 

[Rovim]

4 minutes ago, wasted said:

True a GH is done. Wasn't Estranged some sort of hit? A 2-cd Best of. 

But I would prefer a live album with Slash versions of CD material. 

Fat Era.

[deedee77]

I don't want warmed up old material that has been good enough to be released for the last 20 years. I don't want material that didn't make it on the Illusions albums.

They have great musicians in this band and should try to write 2016 songs for it and not some warmed up old shit.

[wasted]

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

Fat Era.

Not all CD songs but this NITL tour which I saw via youtube. 

[wasted]

5 minutes ago, deedee77 said:

I don't want warmed up old material that has been good enough to be released for the last 20 years. I don't want material that didn't make it on the Illusions albums.

They have great musicians in this band and should try to write 2016 songs for it and not some warmed up old shit.

If they only did new stuff we wouldn't have got Back off Bitch, Bad obsession, Don't Cry, Nov Rain, TIL etc. 

Sure don't release rubbish songs. 

Maybe a completely fresh album would be just better spirit wise. 

[Tom2112]

If the new album had come out this year, I would have fully expected CDII with duff on bass and slash adding guitars in a similar way to how Bumblefoot played on CD.

With an album unlikely to arrive until the back end of 2018, my expectations care quite different. People who are excited about the upcoming shows want old guns. Whatever experimental heavy gnr plans Axl had, may as well be scrapped because the majority including CD supporters have jumped ship and now want something that resembles world on fire more so than CD.

My expectations are an all new record, no CD material. Real life? We get CD II with touch ups and 1 to 2 current guns songs. 

[ll_tj1]

I just don't see it. With the landscape of record sales, the money is in touring and GNR are raking in the cash, and will for most of 2017. I think anyone who believes we will ever see a full length studio album is out of there minds.

At best, at the very BEST,  I hold a slight hope of 1 or 2 reworked CD Era songs released with either a 30 year anniversary AFD re-release, or another Greatest Hits, this time with the songs chosen by Axl, Slash and Duff.  That's it! It's a legacy tour, and the vast majority of people could care less if GNR ever releases anything new. I for one hope so, but I think my chances of getting struck by lightning 3 times while walking away with winning Lotto tickets is more likley. Time to give up.

[ll_tj1]

14 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

If the new album had come out this year, I would have fully expected CDII with duff on bass and slash adding guitars in a similar way to how Bumblefoot played on CD.

With an album unlikely to arrive until the back end of 2018, my expectations care quite different. People who are excited about the upcoming shows want old guns. Whatever experimental heavy gnr plans Axl had, may as well be scrapped because the majority including CD supporters have jumped ship and now want something that resembles world on fire more so than CD.

My expectations are an all new record, no CD material. Real life? We get CD II with touch ups and 1 to 2 current guns songs. 

Even this would be great as far as I'm concerned, but, CD2 and CD3 if that's how were referring to them, have been in the can for over a decade. There not coming out. Not until the Axl Rose estate is handed off to someone else, who will cash in on everything. Similar to what happened with Nirvana.

I hate to say that, but having up to 30-40 completed, ready to release songs sitting for over 10 plus years, and then believeing that those songs are going to be released, or are actually planned to be released, is just fooling ourselves.

They will not see the light of day until someone else decides to cash in on Axls work. Plain and simple it comes off by all appearances that Axl doesn't believe in his own material. He's afraid to release it, he needs others to reinforce his confidence in those songs, and with all his yes men and hangers-on surrounding him, I don't see anyone like Slash and Duff ever being able to get close enough to be those people. Which means business as usual.

Hell, we would have never gotten CD if it weren't for the leaks. 

[ll_tj1]

On 12/26/2016 at 5:23 AM, Rovim said:

I get the feeling it's a full length album or bust.

Bust.

[Rovim]

46 minutes ago, ll_tj1 said:

Bust.

Trilogy.

[Apollo]

On December 19, 2016 at 11:32 PM, gunsnchalupas said:

What makes GNR so special that they are above making money?

I didn't realize that these were a bunch of starving artists standing up against capitalism. 

I also didn't realize it was illegal to release a greatest hits album if you don't have 5.72 albums worth of material with at least 98.83 percent being original material.

Here's a hint, greatest hits and best of albums aren't aimed at hardcore fans browsing GNR forums at 12:28 eastern standard time. They are aimed at casual fans, soccer moms, 14 year olds who weren't alive when Guns N Roses was cool, and people who haven't figured out that you can just torrent music.

The GNR GH album was one of the most positive moves made for the band whether in the last 15 years. The release of that album combined with VR being in the mainstream at the time and WTTJ being the main song of San Andreas likely bought GNR a whole new segment of fans and helped rejuvenate interest in the band among a certain type of fan.

Anybody who looks at GNR as this super cool rock band who is above  making money is delusional. GNR is a hot topic band. I like their music, but it doesn't change the fact that at this point they are Kiss 2.0 except that Gene Simmons actually puts out CDs and has a daughter I want to bang. The closest thing Axl has to a daughter is his dogs he posts pics of on twitter and I don't really want to bang them. 

Seriously, get real guys. "OMG GNR DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH SONGS TO PUT OUT A GREATEST HITS AND MAKE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY ARE AN UNKNOWN ARTHOUSE PUNK BAND WHO PREACH SOCIALIST ETHICS AND INSTEAD OF SELLING T SHIRTS PROVIDE A COMMUNAL CAN OF SPRAY PAINT SO THAT FANS CAN STENCIL THEIR OWN SECOND HAND SHIRTS WHILE BRINGING A DONATION FOR THE LOCAL FOOD BANK TO THE SHOW AT SOME DUDES BASEMENT BECAUSE THIS BAND DOESNT CARE ENOUGH ABOUT MONEY TO SELL CDS."

 

What what?

Except nobody said any of what you are criticizing. You are exaggerating to the 100th degree what people have actually posted. 

Why not just stick to what people have actually posted? And why so angry? People are allowed to have a different opinion than you. 

Take away your Axl bias and look at the facts. 

Wishing your favorite band released music is not a bad thing. 

A band with only one album of original material in the last 25 years - who just released a Best Of album (two albums ago) absolutely should be thinking new album instead of another GH. 

Of course GnR members should be making a profit. Who said they shouldn't? Who said they were an alt-punk band who should be playing for free?

It's Ok for fans to complain about high ticket prices. I've done very well in life (I'm retired at age 46). But I didn't go see GnR when they came through my area earlier this year. My friend got tickets and invited us. But they were in the $350 range. I saw GnR a few years ago and had great seats for $90. I wasn't going to pay almost $1,100 (wife and son) to go see a rock concert. By any band. 

It's cool that you have so much passion for a rock band. But the majority of what you posted are extreme exaggerations.  It's also cool to just have a normal discussion  with people, and focus on what they actually said. 

[Italian girl]

Too many things in 2016.

They are leaving something For the next year

[Tom-Ass]

6 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

If the new album had come out this year, I would have fully expected CDII with duff on bass and slash adding guitars in a similar way to how Bumblefoot played on CD.

With an album unlikely to arrive until the back end of 2018, my expectations care quite different. People who are excited about the upcoming shows want old guns. Whatever experimental heavy gnr plans Axl had, may as well be scrapped because the majority including CD supporters have jumped ship and now want something that resembles world on fire more so than CD.

My expectations are an all new record, no CD material. Real life? We get CD II with touch ups and 1 to 2 current guns songs. 

My biggest fear is that the bulk would be leftover Chinese material.. Whether you like it or not, the shit doesn't sound anything like Guns and the majority of it was horrible to my ears.  That being said, I am sure Axl has a couple good songs in there out of the bunch that would come out pretty cool with Slash and Duff's contributions. I am sure Slash has a boatload of material.. So many questions.. I don't want to hear Fortus anywhere near an album. I do not like his playing style at all. I hate the nuances he tries to bring to the songs on stage and have no desire to hear him on an album.. Slash did a superb job playing both the leads and rhythm tracks on his last album. I would rather hear that than anything Fortus tries to bring to the table. Then there are the other two hacks.. Most agree that Frank blows.. Hopefully Melissa is just a touring "musician" because the thought of her contribution to a Gn'R album is a bit cringe worthy.  There is no need for chasing the outdated 90's industrial sound anymore. 

This line up leaves a lot to be desired.. The only songwriters I want to see on any new music are Axl/Slash and Duff.. That is obviously if they are never able to work anything out with Izzy. Which at this point doesn't look like is going to happen.

[BorderlineCrazy]

7 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

My biggest fear is that the bulk would be leftover Chinese material.. Whether you like it or not, the shit doesn't sound anything like Guns and the majority of it was horrible to my ears.  That being said, I am sure Axl has a couple good songs in there out of the bunch that would come out pretty cool with Slash and Duff's contributions. I am sure Slash has a boatload of material.. So many questions.. I don't want to hear Fortus anywhere near an album. I do not like his playing style at all. I hate the nuances he tries to bring to the songs on stage and have no desire to hear him on an album.. Slash did a superb job playing both the leads and rhythm tracks on his last album. I would rather hear that than anything Fortus tries to bring to the table. Then there are the other two hacks.. Most agree that Frank blows.. Hopefully Melissa is just a touring "musician" because the thought of her contribution to a Gn'R album is a bit cringe worthy.  There is no need for chasing the outdated 90's industrial sound anymore. 

This line up leaves a lot to be desired.. The only songwriters I want to see on any new music are Axl/Slash and Duff.. That is obviously if they are never able to work anything out with Izzy. Which at this point doesn't look like is going to happen.

I don't see Richard as the best fit for this band but I love his playing and I believe he would be able to come up with stuff that fit the songs. Never gonna sound as good as Izzy but if he's not available, I think Richard can do a good job.

I wouldn't mind Melissa adding some things here and there (another Luther King speech? ) as long as it's not all over the place as was the case in Axl's solo record with that Pitman piece of shit.

I completely agree about the drummer thing, though. It would be a crime to use Frank "I'm the worst drummer Slash and Axl ever shared a stage with" Ferrer on the album instead of the legendary Popcorn. They have the chance to enhance their sound and have 4 of the 5 original guys. I'm not really hopeful to be honest but whatever... I can still dream.

[shjtjustgotreal]

2 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

I don't see Richard as the best fit for this band but I love his playing and I believe he would be able to come up with stuff that fit the songs. Never gonna sound as good as Izzy but if he's not available, I think Richard can do a good job.

I wouldn't mind Melissa adding some things here and there (another Luther King speech? ) as long as it's not all over the place as was the case in Axl's solo record with that Pitman piece of shit.

I completely agree about the drummer thing, though. It would be a crime to use Frank "I'm the worst drummer Slash and Axl ever shared a stage with" Ferrer on the album instead of the legendary Popcorn. They have the chance to enhance their sound and have 4 of the 5 original guys. I'm not really hopeful to be honest but whatever... I can still dream.

who do you say would be the best fit be it the case if Fortus isn't in it?

i mean besides izzy of course

Edited December 28, 2016 by shjtjustgotreal

[Tom-Ass]

6 hours ago, shjtjustgotreal said:

who do you say would be the best fit be it the case if Fortus isn't in it?

i mean besides izzy of course

Slash did a great job at playing/writing all the lead guitars and rhythm guitars on World On Fire. 

[BorderlineCrazy]

7 hours ago, shjtjustgotreal said:

who do you say would be the best fit be it the case if Fortus isn't in it?

i mean besides izzy of course

Yngwie Malmsteem 

I think Gilby would be fine, I like his work on the Snakepit album. Other than that, it's hard to tell without hearing how the band would sound.

I guess Myles Kennedy could do 

[Original]

17 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

My biggest fear is that the bulk would be leftover Chinese material.. Whether you like it or not, the shit doesn't sound anything like Guns and the majority of it was horrible to my ears.  That being said, I am sure Axl has a couple good songs in there out of the bunch that would come out pretty cool with Slash and Duff's contributions. I am sure Slash has a boatload of material.. So many questions.. I don't want to hear Fortus anywhere near an album. I do not like his playing style at all. I hate the nuances he tries to bring to the songs on stage and have no desire to hear him on an album.. Slash did a superb job playing both the leads and rhythm tracks on his last album. I would rather hear that than anything Fortus tries to bring to the table. Then there are the other two hacks.. Most agree that Frank blows.. Hopefully Melissa is just a touring "musician" because the thought of her contribution to a Gn'R album is a bit cringe worthy.  There is no need for chasing the outdated 90's industrial sound anymore. 

This line up leaves a lot to be desired.. The only songwriters I want to see on any new music are Axl/Slash and Duff.. That is obviously if they are never able to work anything out with Izzy. Which at this point doesn't look like is going to happen.

This is great.  Couldn't agree more on the leftover CD stuff and also that's not new music.  Axl/Slash/Duff and bring in Steven or Matt.  Fortus- as long he knows he's an employee of the big 3 then they should be able to get him to play/sound how they want...to a degree.  Dizzy and Melissa- ahhhhh yeah, not necessary.  Axl can handle and studio piano/keyboard work. 

[StrangerInThisTown]

I'm sure Fortus will channel his inner Izzy on a new guns record. For better or worse. Without having heard a studio track of fortus and slash on the same track it's impossible to know how good or bad it will be, maybe their interplay is amazing, maybe its awful. Same situation as with Gilby in 1992, just need to wait.

Edited December 28, 2016 by StrangerInThisTown

[Rovim]

I, for one, am excited about possibly hearing what the Slash/Fortus combo comes up with. I hope Axl will use some CD ll material and what's left in the vault, the best stuff. If there are tunes as good as There Was A Time, Catcher, Street Of Dreams, Better... and they make sense musically and lyrically on the next Guns album with Slash and Duff, why not use those? it's all new to us anyway.

Then the other half of the album or whatever could be totally new tunes, the old Slash tune, and Slash, Fortus, plus Duff can compose totally fresh shit that will rock hard.

Axl is interested in starting from lyrics and vocal melodies, those tunes should be Slash doing most of the leads, Fortus most of the rhythms and another channel for Slash rhythm. It sounds more versatile that way instead of what he did on Illusions, which was also great, but I prefer the Appetite approach, at least for some tracks. Fortus can do a couple of solos like Izzy did on Nightrain and Think About You. He's in the band, he should be a significant part of the next album if it's ever released.

Sounds good to me. His lower gain sound is a good match for Slash's high gain wail.

 

Edited December 28, 2016 by Rovim

[Mendez]

2 hours ago, Original said:

Axl can handle and studio piano/keyboard work. 

I don't know about that. Garden of Eden still sounds pretty shitty to me because of those dumbass keyboards.

 

Whatever they do, I really hope they bring in Fortus to write music, and not just have each other play on mostly already finished songs like they did with UYI. Even when Gilby and Izzy wrote with Slash for Its Five o Clock Somewhere, it definitely worked better overall, at least instrumentally, more than World on Fire did (where only Slash came up with stuff, although there are some great tracks on there). So they need another dynamic (Fortus) to write. Even with VR they had Dave help write

Edited December 28, 2016 by Mendez

[StrangerInThisTown]

15 minutes ago, Mendez said:

I don't know about that. Garden of Eden still sounds pretty shitty to me because of those dumbass keyboards.

 

Whatever they do, I really hope they bring in Fortus to write music, and not just have each other play on mostly already finished songs like they did with UYI. Even when Gilby and Izzy wrote with Slash for Its Five o Clock Somewhere, it definitely worked better overall, at least instrumentally, more than World on Fire did (where only Slash came up with stuff, although there are some great tracks on there). So they need another dynamic (Fortus) to write. Even with VR they had Dave help write

I'm pretty sure Izzy has no writing credit on any 5 o' clock track, it was all Gilby/Slash. Maybe he did have one on one of the 3 unreleased outtakes but theres no way to know currently.

And I'm also not sure Dave "helped" with the writing, the band veered into some weird modern rock direction instead of the blues rock/zeppelin thing that was present with the Izzy demos for VR, a sound they had originally intended.