CD Leaks Discussion Thread **NO LINKS, NO ASKING / HINTING FOR LEAKS**

[Gordon Comstock]

50 minutes ago, gavgnr said:

Why oh why hasn’t this music been released????? 😕

 

[Finck2006]

First time someone mentioned Cuban Skies Tonto Going Down..was MSL right?

So he was right..what happened to those 11 tracks?

[HollyWoodRose84]

1 hour ago, Finck2006 said:

First time someone mentioned Cuban Skies Tonto Going Down..was MSL right?

 

Yes. And I remember everyone flipping him the bird because they though he was full of shit.  Fun times. 

[DTJ80]

10 minutes ago, HollyWoodRose84 said:

Yes. And I remember everyone flipping him the bird because they though he was full of shit.  Fun times. 

Is Cuban Skies now called something else or still an unreleased effort?

[lukepowell1988]

Cuban Skies was mentioned firstly I recall by MSL.

 

its apparently a song about cigars.

[2020_Intensions]

On 8/21/2020 at 3:16 PM, Sweersa said:

While I agree a lot of the songs will be on the next album, I would bet most of the vocals will not be re-recorded. 

I hope not! 

[Sweersa]

11 hours ago, 2020_Intensions said:

I hope not! 

I like his natural singing voice, along with bits of the forced, weird rasp he's done for years like in Hardschool, we get the best of both worlds. When Axl sings Atlas, that sounds like how a man is supposed to sing, nothing forced, or unusual. Just a man with a nice voice singing. The rasp today, serves as a placed enhancer, like with the chorus of Hardschool. It doesn't seem out of place, or take over the song.

I won't enjoy the album if it's all like the This I Love remix, that sounds way too forced, not to mention he could never pull that off live. I enjoy the album vocals much better than the remix, the remix vocals are too much.

Anything is possible, in the studio. Axl is not getting any younger, so I'm sure his cleaner singing, most notably on CD (it even started before, we get a lot of clean stuff in prior albums) will be better for eventual touring with new material, so he can handle it.

Of course these are all my opinions, the beauty of music.

[2020_Intensions]

7 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I like his natural singing voice, along with bits of the forced, weird rasp he's done for years like in Hardschool, we get the best of both worlds. When Axl sings Atlas, that sounds like how a man is supposed to sing, nothing forced, or unusual. Just a man with a nice voice singing. The rasp today, serves as a placed enhancer, like with the chorus of Hardschool. It doesn't seem out of place, or take over the song.

I won't enjoy the album if it's all like the This I Love remix, that sounds way too forced, not to mention he could never pull that off live. I enjoy the album vocals much better than the remix, the remix vocals are too much.

Anything is possible, in the studio. Axl is not getting any younger, so I'm sure his cleaner singing, most notably on CD (it even started before, we get a lot of clean stuff in prior albums) will be better for eventual touring with new material, so he can handle it.

Of course these are all my opinions, the beauty of music.

I love all the different eras & styles of Axl's vocals (except the live mickey of this past decade). His vocals in ChiDem I think are perfect and the album version of This I Love is one of my favorite performances of his

[axljungle]

I hear some leaks everyday, new and chinese songs from the Locker leaks. I prefer the 99 tracks than final chinese tracks, all the instruments sounds clear and love the drums, Josh Freese is a really great drummer.

[Finck2006]

Cd Maddy and The Blues were so much better on lockers leak than the final product.

Only TWAT got some improvement ( the leak from 2006 w/Bucket) the best version ever

[Sweersa]

26 minutes ago, Finck2006 said:

Cd Maddy and The Blues were so much better on lockers leak than the final product.

Only TWAT got some improvement ( the leak from 2006 w/Bucket) the best version ever

I agree, I also liked the locker If The World (minus the weird high pitched sounds) and Riad. 

[Dean]

I used to be baffled as to why they never kept the guitar intro to The Blues, but having heard the studio takes, it doesn't capture the same energy that it did live and thus I feel that the album version is better. I'd say the same for Madagascar, Prostitute and most definitely There Was A Time among others. 

I'd say the only ones I could argue a case for is the title track and Catcher in the Rye. The version of Chinese on RM01 is fucking ferocious. No fucking about. All killer. The demo of Catcher is one of the greatest GNR songs for me, the album version had it's testicles removed, mostly by cutting Brian Harold May and some beautiful synth from Mothergoose himself. Does not come close to the demo version. For the record, I also love the '99 version of IRS. PHT at his best. I have never enjoyed the sound of police sirens like I did in that demo!!!

[Sweersa]

57 minutes ago, Dean said:

I'd say the only ones I could argue a case for is the title track and Catcher in the Rye. The version of Chinese on RM01 is fucking ferocious. No fucking about. All killer. The demo of Catcher is one of the greatest GNR songs for me, the album version had it's testicles removed, mostly by cutting Brian Harold May and some beautiful synth from Mothergoose himself. Does not come close to the demo version. For the record, I also love the '99 version of IRS. PHT at his best. I have never enjoyed the sound of police sirens like I did in that demo!!!

I'm thankful we got a nice quality version of the '99 (or 2000) Catcher. It sounds exactly like the old leak, but with the added guitar in the intro that was also on the album version, and of course in way, way better quality. The old IRS also sounds better than the previous '99 leak, though I never really cared for that song much in general.

Like many of us have said many times, a 1999 or 2000 release of CD with the follow-up in 2002-2004 with Buckethead and Brain would have been amazing, with another album following with Ashba and Bumble (or whomever), then an additional album with the reunion lineup in or around 2016. All of that would have happened, in a perfect world. We need a dimensional traveler to get us those alt timeline albums. Haha

[DTJ80]

6 hours ago, Dean said:

I used to be baffled as to why they never kept the guitar intro to The Blues, but having heard the studio takes, it doesn't capture the same energy that it did live and thus I feel that the album version is better. I'd say the same for Madagascar, Prostitute and most definitely There Was A Time among others. 

I'd say the only ones I could argue a case for is the title track and Catcher in the Rye. The version of Chinese on RM01 is fucking ferocious. No fucking about. All killer. The demo of Catcher is one of the greatest GNR songs for me, the album version had it's testicles removed, mostly by cutting Brian Harold May and some beautiful synth from Mothergoose himself. Does not come close to the demo version. For the record, I also love the '99 version of IRS. PHT at his best. I have never enjoyed the sound of police sirens like I did in that demo!!!

I really like the final version but totally agree with this - this version is a proper punch in the face....no OTT effects and proper bass heavy too.

[The Matinator]

Although I didn’t like it at the time I will say the finished version of SOD/The Blues is a good compromise between the various versions they came up with. The original will always be my favorite though.

[Sweersa]

7 minutes ago, The Matinator said:

Although I didn’t like it at the time I will say the finished version of SOD/The Blues is a good compromise between the various versions they came up with. The original will always be my favorite though.

The mix with the old Josh drums is my favorite. The keyboard synth or whatever it is in the background seems to be louder in that mix, you can hear it in the early live versions too. 

They are either removed, or buried too far in the mix of the album version for me to notice. 

[DTJ80]

10 hours ago, Finck2006 said:

Cd Maddy and The Blues were so much better on lockers leak than the final product.

Only TWAT got some improvement ( the leak from 2006 w/Bucket) the best version ever

Prostitute was better on final album....probably about 1/4 of the album was improved actually with the rest being better back in 2000(ish)....IMO

[WhazUp]

2 hours ago, The Matinator said:

Although I didn’t like it at the time I will say the finished version of SOD/The Blues is a good compromise between the various versions they came up with. The original will always be my favorite though.

My only issue with the final mix, beyond removing the badass guitar lick that made the song feel like an Illusions era tune, is that when you listen to the Village Session versions and come back to the final album version, the drums on the final version sound so tame and quiet in the mix overall

[ToonGuns]

9 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

Prostitute was better on final album....probably about 1/4 of the album was improved actually with the rest being better back in 2000(ish)....IMO

The Bucket stuff vastly improved the album. All the other tinkering did not.

[jimisbatman]

I was previously a fierce advocate for the village versions of the album songs, however, over time I am gradually moving to the anti/MSL leaks for my 'go to' versions.  

 

With saying that, when I have a spare hour, and intently listen with high quality headphones,  and want to drift off into 'fantasy and dream of what could have been', nothing beats the Josh/pre RTB versions.

[TeeJay410]

Josh Freese is low key the best drummer GnR ever had.

[betterman]

There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. 

Any opinions?

[lukepowell1988]

1 hour ago, betterman said:

There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. 

Any opinions?

Heard this rumour a while back it makes sense to me if you compare the vocal pattern to the cell phone recording it is similar. 

[Sweersa]

2 hours ago, betterman said:

There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. 

Any opinions?

Interesting rumor. 

If I had to guess, I would say they are different songs. 

I'm not convinced State Of Grace advanced much, if at all beyond the demo we heard. I hope I'm wrong, as I think that it is a great song in need of finishing and then released officially. It would make a great album closer, with such intense vocals in the end.

[anchel2]

4 hours ago, betterman said:

There is some rumors circulating that State of grace is an early version of the General - it could make sense based on some descriptions of the General and Axls high pitched screams, I guess they could have changed a lot of the lyrics and intros etc. 

Any opinions?

I don't think so. the General was written by Brain and State of Grace is from Beavan sesions.