Things you want to confess as a Guns N'Roses Fan? 😀

[Karice]

4 hours ago, D4NNY said:

How in the world do you come up with this stuff?! 😂

Autism and  insomnia! 🤣😏🤭

Edited January 16 by Karice

[Avillart]

8 hours ago, BluegrassBlues said:

Ok, that was condescending lol, so I'll just leave this alone here and I won't comment on it again. I actually enjoyed a lot of your posts and agreed with quite a bit you had to say, so I'm not really sure where your animosity is coming from. All I said was porn and sex recordings were not for me, it was just a difference in opinion. I can like a band, and not enjoy the used women that were left in their wake. 

 

It wasn't condescending, it was a serious question. It's Guns N Roses we're talking about and the last couple of posts here have been nothing but cringeworthy.  

Trying to negate the very nature of the band, trying to negate the nature of these men is ridiculous. To call a harmless prank sexual perversion like someone did here is the most immature and woke nonsense and the way some people here get their knickers in a twist over every old story that's new to them really makes me wonder how old they are and what they see in GNR. Why them, when everything they did and do is so shocking and appalling.

Calling dehumanizing what adults willingly participate in is not just absurd, it is what's truly dehumanizing. Just like these kiddies nowadays who need to put "cute" bunny ear filters and other nonsense on Axl's photos and write poems about their "Baby Angel" and saviour LOL He's a grown man and three times their age, talking about perversion... LOL 
They're 18, 20 and have no friggin clue what Guns N Roses really is. Some of them drool over every "sexy" pic and wet their pants over "Axl, I want your dick" banners but as soon as the question comes up if they've been to any shows most of them will come with a thousand excuses why not. I asked one of them who makes her life all about him and his "golden angel curls" and who talks about meeting him one day all day long why she didn't come out to the hotel in the summer (one hour from her place). She could've had her meeting and told him to the face what she wanted him to be. The reason she gave was laughable. But no surprise. It happens all the time - as soon as Guns become too real and dare to destroy the fantasy they're not what these kiddies want. And they can't take it when people who were there don't play along and call them out.
Like I said in another post on this forum, nobody seems to have any (sexual) agency anymore nowadays, everything needs to be safe and regulated. But (thankfully) this is not how life works. The guys have always done their thing, and gladly they don't give a damn about whether you like porn or not. That's not condescending, that's just a fact. It's called freedom. That's not perversion, that's life.

[Rovim]

25 minutes ago, Avillart said:

 

It wasn't condescending, it was a serious question. It's Guns N Roses we're talking about and the last couple of posts here have been nothing but cringeworthy.  

Trying to negate the very nature of the band, trying to negate the nature of these men is ridiculous. To call a harmless prank sexual perversion like someone did here is the most immature and woke nonsense and the way some people here get their knickers in a twist over every old story that's new to them really makes me wonder how old they are and what they see in GNR. Why them, when everything they did and do is so shocking and appalling.

Calling dehumanizing what adults willingly participate in is not just absurd, it is what's truly dehumanizing. Just like these kiddies nowadays who need to put "cute" bunny ear filters and other nonsense on Axl's photos and write poems about their "Baby Angel" and saviour LOL He's a grown man and three times their age, talking about perversion... LOL 
They're 18, 20 and have no friggin clue what Guns N Roses really is. Some of them drool over every "sexy" pic and wet their pants over "Axl, I want your dick" banners but as soon as the question comes up if they've been to any shows most of them will come with a thousand excuses why not. I asked one of them who makes her life all about him and his "golden angel curls" and who talks about meeting him one day all day long why she didn't come out to the hotel in the summer (one hour from her place). She could've had her meeting and told him to the face what she wanted him to be. The reason she gave was laughable. But no surprise. It happens all the time - as soon as Guns become too real and dare to destroy the fantasy they're not what these kiddies want. And they can't take it when people who were there don't play along and call them out.
Like I said in another post on this forum, nobody seems to have any (sexual) agency anymore nowadays, everything needs to be safe and regulated. But (thankfully) this is not how life works. The guys have always done their thing, and gladly they don't give a damn about whether you like porn or not. That's not condescending, that's just a fact. It's called freedom. That's not perversion, that's life.

get over yourself. You're mixing 2 different opinions by 2 different posters. The poster you've responded to in this post just isn't into some of the antics of old Gn'R members. 

it's true that you shouldn't expect class acts across the board when it comes to Gn'R or many musicians in this genre from that era, but some of it was shit, some of their behavior was disgusting imho and just because it doesn't bother you as a fan or you can even relate to it, doesn't mean others that don't approve, are less real fans than you are or are not aware of what the band was about.

Axl was violent to women, Izzy was a drug dealer. Those are things that are just part of life as well. Doesn't mean I should accept it as something that is not fucked up or that those are the only things that define Gn'R for me.

where you get condescending is when you seem to get offended cause other fans don't like some aspects of the band that you have no issues with so you blame other fans for their shortcomings as fans while in reality it's probably you who should understand that not everyone that doesn't like the exact same shit in Gn'R that you do is somehow wrong and of a need of a Gn'R lesson. 

why don't you look at yourself before telling other people they're immature? just a suggestion since I found you last couple of posts very childish and gate keepish.

 

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, Avillart said:

It wasn't condescending, it was a serious question.

There was no question in your latest response to @BluegrassBlues. You laughed and said she doesn't know Guns N' Roses and stated that talking to her was like talking to a 12-year-old.

[Avillart]

28 minutes ago, Rovim said:

get over yourself. You're mixing 2 different opinions by 2 different posters. The poster you've responded to in this post just isn't into some of the antics of old Gn'R members. 

it's true that you shouldn't expect class acts across the board when it comes to Gn'R or many musicians in this genre from that era, but some of it was shit, some of their behavior was disgusting imho and just because it doesn't bother you as a fan or you can even relate to it, doesn't mean others that don't approve, are less real fans than you are or are not aware of what the band was about.

Axl was violent to women, Izzy was a drug dealer. Those are things that are just part of life as well. Doesn't mean I should accept it as something that is not fucked up or that those are the only things that define Gn'R for me.

where you get condescending is when you seem to get offended cause other fans don't like some aspects of the band that you have no issues with so you blame other fans for their shortcomings as fans while in reality it's probably you who should understand that not everyone that doesn't like the exact same shit in Gn'R that you do is somehow wrong and of a need of a Gn'R lesson. 

why don't you look at yourself before telling other people they're immature? just a suggestion since I found you last couple of posts very childish and gate keepish.

 

 

Oh, I'm not offended, like I said I find it laughable. Just like your projection here. It's obvious I hit a nerve. 

 

[Avillart]

5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

There was no question in your latest response to @BluegrassBlues. You laughed and said she doesn't know Guns N' Roses and stated that talking to her was like talking to a 12-year-old.

 

There was my question 

 

11 hours ago, Avillart said:

 

You do realize it's Guns N Roses we're talking about? 

 

[SoulMonster]

9 minutes ago, Avillart said:

There was my question 

Kinda condescending to insinuate that being against their sexist behavior means she can't be aware of the nature of the band, don't you think?

Fans of GN'R encompass everything from those who just like the music but are indifferent to or don't like musicians to those who are primarily interested in the musicians themselves, often in a weird sexual or infatuated way, but less so in the music, and everything in between. It is all on the spectrum of fandom and arguing or dissing, those who are not fans for the same reasons becomes silly. Also, some of us have been fans for many years, that doesn't make us more fans or better fans or purer fans, it just makes us older fans,

[Rovim]

44 minutes ago, Avillart said:

 

Oh, I'm not offended, like I said I find it laughable. Just like your projection here. It's obvious I hit a nerve. 

 

I didn't ask anywhere in my previous post if you were offended or not, and anyway it wasn't my intention to offend you so there's no need to be defensive. I don't know what you find so laughable and I don't see how I'm projecting anything here. Feel free to explain it to me but I'm not the only one here with this opinion about your last few posts in this thread.

not sure what you mean by obviously hitting a nerve. I thought it was appropriate to respond to what you said cause you made a silly distinction between you and other fans based on your personal and subjective view of the band which maybe made you think that you are more of a Gn'R fan compared to others which is just not the case.

 

 

[Rovim]

^^^

@Avillartcorrection I did say I thought you seemed offended, it was a long post, so my mistake, but the rest of what I said still applies imo: we're all just Gn'R fans.

Edited January 16 by Rovim

[Avillart]

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Kinda condescending to insinuate that being against their sexist behavior means she can't be aware of the nature of the band, don't you think?

Fans of GN'R encompass everything from those who just like the music but are indifferent to or don't like musicians to those who are primarily interested in the musicians themselves, often in a weird sexual or infatuated way, but less so in the music, and everything in between. It is all on the spectrum of fandom and arguing or dissing, those who are not fans for the same reasons becomes silly. Also, some of us have been fans for many years, that doesn't make us more fans or better fans or purer fans, it just makes us older fans,

 

You need to read before you insinuate. It all started with BluegrassBlues asking me for the Matt Sorum initiation story. I gave her the answer, assuming she - being on a Guns N Roses forum - could handle it. She couldn't and even turned that harmless prank that everyone involved was able to laugh about - including Matt Sorum - into an anti-porn thing. While the original story had nothing to do with porn. As didn't the other examples I mentioned.

She could not handle the answer but that's hardly my fault. Since I didn't understand her having a problem with the reality of the story I asked her (rather amused) if she's aware this is GNR we're talking about. This isn't condescending and wasn't meant in that way either but was a serious question, as I had previously found her posts rather mature and balanced.

She was the one who brought porn into this, the Matt Sorum story had zero porn element. She felt the need to bring up how it is dehumanizing. I'm not a fan of porn either but again, the situation was a harmless prank, and what happens between adults at their own free will is not dehumanizing. To negate this, however, is. Just like it is dehumanizing what these kiddie fans do to (mainly) Axl. And no, this is not a fan competition. This is about their behaviour and would be the same in any other case, even if it were someone non-public. Using someone in that way without even wanting to know that person is not normal. It is a form of abuse, and you can call me condescending again, but these kids are sick. And no, this didn't exist back in my day. People were there for the music and for the (yes, often rough) fun at the live shows. Others were there to sleep with the band. And some for both. Again, no big deal. 

 

11 minutes ago, Rovim said:

^^^

@Avillartcorrection I did say I thought you seemed offended, it was a long post, so my mistake, but the rest of what I said still applies imo: we're all just Gn'R fans.

 

Sure, and that's my motto - live and let live. That's why I don't get the problem with the harmless prank on Matt Sorum or other silly shit they (and many of us here too) did. What I have a problem with is people who negate other people and their freedom. Like these kiddies who use Axl without even (wanting to) know(ing) him. Even those who know about his own abuse growing up. That's sick. You can call me condescending for that all you like, it won't change the fact. 

[SoulMonster]

2 minutes ago, Avillart said:

She could not handle the answer but that's hardly my fault.

Kind of condescending to claim she couldn't "handle the answer" when all she did was state that she doesn't see the appeal of bandmembers recording them having sex and that she is anti-porn. That is not not handling it, that is stating her personal opinions on the band's behavior. At no point did she appear grossed our, shocked or appalled by anything. Maybe you mix people up? In fact, it seems like you were the one not being able to handle her opinions on this when you then, in turn, stated to question whether she was really a fan of the band and knew the band based on her opinions.

[Rovim]

10 minutes ago, Avillart said:

 

You need to read before you insinuate. It all started with BluegrassBlues asking me for the Matt Sorum initiation story. I gave her the answer, assuming she - being on a Guns N Roses forum - could handle it. She couldn't and even turned that harmless prank that everyone involved was able to laugh about - including Matt Sorum - into an anti-porn thing. While the original story had nothing to do with porn. As didn't the other examples I mentioned.

She could not handle the answer but that's hardly my fault. Since I didn't understand her having a problem with the reality of the story I asked her (rather amused) if she's aware this is GNR we're talking about. This isn't condescending and wasn't meant in that way either but was a serious question, as I had previously found her posts rather mature and balanced.

She was the one who brought porn into this, the Matt Sorum story had zero porn element. She felt the need to bring up how it is dehumanizing. I'm not a fan of porn either but again, the situation was a harmless prank, and what happens between adults at their own free will is not dehumanizing. To negate this, however, is. Just like it is dehumanizing what these kiddie fans do to (mainly) Axl. And no, this is not a fan competition. This is about their behaviour and would be the same in any other case, even if it were someone non-public. Using someone in that way without even wanting to know that person is not normal. It is a form of abuse, and you can call me condescending again, but these kids are sick. And no, this didn't exist back in my day. People were there for the music and for the (yes, often rough) fun at the live shows. Others were there to sleep with the band. And some for both. Again, no big deal. 

 

 

Sure, and that's my motto - live and let live. That's why I don't get the problem with the harmless prank on Matt Sorum or other silly shit they (and many of us here too) did. What I have a problem with is people who negate other people and their freedom. Like these kiddies who use Axl without even (wanting to) know(ing) him. Even those who know about his own abuse growing up. That's sick. You can call me condescending for that all you like, it won't change the fact. 

I try to read a post fully before commenting, and I think I did in this thread. Anyway, I think the perception of how we see Gn'R and what they did varies from person to person and it's something that is worth remembering.

I could say that you couldn't handle @BluegrassBlues opinion about your answer when it came to Matt. there's nothing wrong with how she felt about that particular piece of info imo so why judge harshly when the whole point of this forum is to share opinions. 

 

[Avillart]

46 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Kind of condescending to claim she couldn't "handle the answer" when all she did was state that she doesn't see the appeal of bandmembers recording them having sex and that she is anti-porn. That is not not handling it, that is stating her personal opinions on the band's behavior. At no point did she appear grossed our, shocked or appalled by anything. Maybe you mix people up? In fact, it seems like you were the one not being able to handle her opinions on this when you then, in turn, stated to question whether she was really a fan of the band and knew the band based on her opinions.

 

Quite obviously she could not handle it. Her very first reaction was already a Confused emoji and then she projected porn onto the situation where there was zero porn. And I never questioned her whether she was really a fan. What I asked was if she was aware that it's GNR we're talking about. Because of her reaction. And this is the last thing I will say to this as it is a pointless discussion. BluegrassBlues can speak for herself. She chose not to and that's OK.

 

35 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I try to read a post fully before commenting, and I think I did in this thread. Anyway, I think the perception of how we see Gn'R and what they did varies from person to person and it's something that is worth remembering.

I could say that you couldn't handle @BluegrassBlues opinion about your answer when it came to Matt. there's nothing wrong with how she felt about that particular piece of info imo so why judge harshly when the whole point of this forum is to share opinions. 

 

 

My "read before...." reply was directed at SoulMonster 

As for the last part of your comment, yes, like I said, I'm all for live and let live. But I'm afraid there's more happening on this forum than just sharing opinions. I've been judged harshly before, and after I had only just joined. But like I just wrote above, this is a pointless discussion. A case of agree to disagree. BluegrassBlues is not even taking part in it and I don't like to talk behind people's back, so to speak. Just to be clear again, she wasn't the only one I meant by "bunch of 12 year olds". The poster who said Axl's love of kinky sex is probably the reason why he's still single wins the fan competition... I mean how much more condescending and immature can it get. Not just judging Axl but also denying women's sexual agency. That's not the world I live in. 

[Karice]

It's only a matter of time before Posters hurling insults at each other gets this innocent thread closed like what has happened to my innocent threads before. Admins, is there a way you can ask for a cease and desist where the Posters agree to stop hurling insults at each other? I REALLY don't want this thread closed because of Posters hurling insults at each other. 

[Rovim]

18 minutes ago, Avillart said:

 

Quite obviously she could not handle it. Her very first reaction was already a Confused emoji and then she projected porn onto the situation where there was zero porn. And I never questioned her whether she was really a fan. What I asked was if she was aware that it's GNR we're talking about. Because of her reaction. And this is the last thing I will say to this as it is a pointless discussion. BluegrassBlues can speak for herself. She chose not to and that's OK.

 

 

My "read before...." reply was directed at SoulMonster 

As for the last part of your comment, yes, like I said, I'm all for live and let live. But I'm afraid there's more happening on this forum than just sharing opinions. I've been judged harshly before, and after I had only just joined. But like I just wrote above, this is a pointless discussion. A case of agree to disagree. BluegrassBlues is not even taking part in it and I don't like to talk behind people's back, so to speak. Just to be clear again, she wasn't the only one I meant by "bunch of 12 year olds". The poster who said Axl's love of kinky sex is probably the reason why he's still single wins the fan competition... I mean how much more condescending and immature can it get. Not just judging Axl but also denying women's sexual agency. That's not the world I live in. 

this is a forum though, it's not a one on one conversation. Sometimes we exchange opinions, sometimes we exchange facts. everything that you discussed in your last few posts is just your opinions. 

you say that you're all for live and let live, so why can't you be more inclusive when it comes to showing a little more respect towards other posters when they express an opinion that rubs you the wrong way?

asking someone in a snarky way if they know this is Gn'R we're talking about just cause they think that filiming Matt having sex with some chick is not cool to them is uncalled for imo and it does have a connection to porn so maybe that poster mentioned that she's not into that kinda shit as well. It shouldn't be that big of a deal for you to call a group of posters here 12 year olds. It doesn't contribute to the discussion in any way.

last part of your post about the kinky sex thing is just speculation that you found silly but this is Gn'R we're talking about, not sure if you're aware. 

 

[Stay.Of.Execution]

34 minutes ago, Avillart said:

 

Quite obviously she could not handle it. Her very first reaction was already a Confused emoji and then she projected porn onto the situation where there was zero porn. And I never questioned her whether she was really a fan. What I asked was if she was aware that it's GNR we're talking about. Because of her reaction. And this is the last thing I will say to this as it is a pointless discussion. BluegrassBlues can speak for herself. She chose not to and that's OK.

 

 

My "read before...." reply was directed at SoulMonster 

As for the last part of your comment, yes, like I said, I'm all for live and let live. But I'm afraid there's more happening on this forum than just sharing opinions. I've been judged harshly before, and after I had only just joined. But like I just wrote above, this is a pointless discussion. A case of agree to disagree. BluegrassBlues is not even taking part in it and I don't like to talk behind people's back, so to speak. Just to be clear again, she wasn't the only one I meant by "bunch of 12 year olds". The poster who said Axl's love of kinky sex is probably the reason why he's still single wins the fan competition... I mean how much more condescending and immature can it get. Not just judging Axl but also denying women's sexual agency. That's not the world I live in. 

you have to understand that cause someone is a gnr fan, that person doesnt necessarily hold the same values as you, even though gnr might have been talking about that stuff back in the days. it's not that hard to get though, isnt it?

[Avillart]

26 minutes ago, Rovim said:

this is a forum though, it's not a one on one conversation. Sometimes we exchange opinions, sometimes we exchange facts. everything that you discussed in your last few posts is just your opinions. 

you say that you're all for live and let live, so why can't you be more inclusive when it comes to showing a little more respect towards other posters when they express an opinion that rubs you the wrong way?

asking someone in a snarky way if they know this is Gn'R we're talking about just cause they think that filiming Matt having sex with some chick is not cool to them is uncalled for imo and it does have a connection to porn so maybe that poster mentioned that she's not into that kinda shit as well. It shouldn't be that big of a deal for you to call a group of posters here 12 year olds. It doesn't contribute to the discussion in any way.

 

I didn't ask in a snarky way and I don't appreciate my words being twisted. Nowhere did I say that they filmed Matt Sorum. They used the studio equipment to record it (audio) as they did with Axl on Rocket Queen - which had been brought up on this thread. My comment was in reply to that as you will see when you read it back. 

 

26 minutes ago, Rovim said:

last part of your post about the kinky sex thing is just speculation that you found silly but this is Gn'R we're talking about, not sure if you're aware. 

 

 

I don't understand this part, maybe you care to explain. And again, no twisting my words, please. I didn't find it silly, I find it downright condescending to judge Axl for his sexuality and to deny women's sexual agency. How immature can someone be to have such a limited view on human nature and sexuality. But yeah, they're a Guns N Roses fan... LOL 

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, Avillart said:

I find it downright condescending to judge Axl for his sexuality and to deny women's sexual agency. How immature can someone be to have such a limited view on human nature and sexuality. But yeah, they're a Guns N Roses fan... LOL 

I don't understand where someone has denied anyone's sexual agency in this thread. @BluegrassBluessaid that she doesn't like porn and that she didn't like they they recorded sex acts. That's her opinion and it doesn't deny anyone's sexual agency nor did she say anything that in good faith could be construed to mean she wanted to limit, negate or deny anyone their opinions on sex. It seems like you take her opinions as an attack on your opinions and thoughts on sexuality. That's unnecessary and not constructive. Maybe many people have been critical of you and your opinions on sexuality in the past and hence you have become a bit sensitive to this issue, which is understandable, but again, I don't see anyone doing that in this thread. So chill. 

And again you are implying that someone can't be a GN'R fan if they don't have sexual opinions aligned with yours. 

[jamillos]

I foresaw this coming. Band on hiatus, i.e. threads about "what’s next?" and bickering about background nonsense we know generally nothing about. We’re in for a fruitful period! 

[Rovim]

20 minutes ago, Avillart said:

 

I didn't ask in a snarky way and I don't appreciate my words being twisted. Nowhere did I say that they filmed Matt Sorum. They used the studio equipment to record it (audio) as they did with Axl on Rocket Queen - which had been brought up on this thread. My comment was in reply to that as you will see when you read it back. 

 

 

I don't understand this part, maybe you care to explain. And again, no twisting my words, please. I didn't find it silly, I find it downright condescending to judge Axl for his sexuality and to deny women's sexual agency. How immature can someone be to have such a limited view on human nature and sexuality. But yeah, they're a Guns N Roses fan... LOL 

quite enough of very clear posts from other posters explaining what I find counter productive and rude about some of your posts in this thread like this:

9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I don't understand where someone has denied anyone's sexual agency in this thread. @BluegrassBluessaid that she doesn't like porn and that she didn't like they they recorded sex acts. That's her opinion and it doesn't deny anyone's sexual agency nor did she say anything that in good faith could be construed to mean she wanted to limit, negate or deny anyone their opinions on sex. It seems like you take her opinions as an attack on your opinions and thoughts on sexuality. That's unnecessary and not constructive. Maybe many people have been critical of you and your opinions on sexuality in the past and hence you have become a bit sensitive to this issue, which is understandable, but again, I don't see anyone doing that in this thread. So chill. 

And again you are implying that someone can't be a GN'R fan if they don't have sexual opinions aligned with yours. 

and this:

52 minutes ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

you have to understand that cause someone is a gnr fan, that person doesnt necessarily hold the same values as you, even though gnr might have been talking about that stuff back in the days. it's not that hard to get though, isnt it?

 

[Rovim]

7 minutes ago, jamillos said:

I foresaw this coming. Band on hiatus, i.e. threads about "what’s next?" and bickering about background nonsense we know generally nothing about.

spooky

[Avillart]

8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I don't understand where someone has denied anyone's sexual agency in this thread. @BluegrassBluessaid that she doesn't like porn and that she didn't like they they recorded sex acts. That's her opinion and it doesn't deny anyone's sexual agency nor did she say anything that in good faith could be construed to mean she wanted to limit, negate or deny anyone their opinions on sex. It seems like you take her opinions as an attack on your opinions and thoughts on sexuality. That's unnecessary and not constructive. Maybe many people have been critical of you and your opinions on sexuality in the past and hence you have become a bit sensitive to this issue, which is understandable, but again, I don't see anyone doing that in this thread. So chill. 

And again you are implying that someone can't be a GN'R fan if they don't have sexual opinions aligned with yours. 

 

Is it really so hard for you to read? I said it was another poster, not BluegrassBlues who made this remark. 

 

On 1/15/2024 at 12:40 PM, Ratam said:

Axl used like some kinky sex too. Maybe is the reason he is still single.

 

It does not only judge Axl's person and sexuality but also denys women's sexual agency, insinuating that no woman could possibly enter a relationhip with him. Because he's (been) into kinky sex he has to stay single. If that's not condescending and immature I don't know what is. After people on social media heard that I met him last summer I was bombarded with friend requests and messages from women asking me if I could take them with me next time. One of them seriously asked me to teach her to become a groupie (complete misconception of my person). Women my age are still crazy for Axl (or their projection of him) and they really do want to meet him. Unlike the little fangirls nowadays that prefer their bunny ears Axl glam edits and run screaming at the chance to actually meet him. This has nothing to do with my opinions on sexuality. I'm not the one here who gets her knickers in a twist over Axl - or Guns in general - being a sexual person. On the contrary... LOL 

[Rovim]

9 minutes ago, Avillart said:

 Women my age are still crazy for Axl (or their projection of him) and they really do want to meet him. Unlike the little fangirls nowadays that prefer their bunny ears Axl glam edits and run screaming at the chance to actually meet him. This has nothing to do with my opinions on sexuality. I'm not the one here who gets her knickers in a twist over Axl - or Guns in general - being a sexual person. On the contrary... LOL 

again making the distinction between you - the real Axl fan/Gn'R fan and other fans who just don't get him like you do. I guess it's hard to be objective when you think you're better than other people.

@Ratam made a guess about why Axl is single. while I do find that unlikely, I don't get worked up about it and there was no malicious intent there, if you know anything about that poster.

honestly, you come off as an obssesed wannabe groupie, even if you're not.  

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, Avillart said:

It does not only judge Axl's person and sexuality but also denys women's sexual agency, insinuating that no woman could possibly enter a relationhip with him.

Sorry for not getting the part where you emphasized it wasn't @BluegrassBlues you accused of denying anyone's sexual agency. That being said, my points towards your reactions to her opinions stand. 

As for @Ratam: I don't see how her pondering whether Axl's kinky sex preferences could be part of him being single, is denying women's sexual agency. Regardless of whether such speculation is warranted or not - and whether it makes sense or not - that discussion in itself doesn't deny anyone's sexual agency. It is a fact of life that the number of compatible partners are reduced in proportion to one's extent of deviating behavior. Similarly, someone could ponder whether anyone's deviating diet makes it harder for them to make long-term relationships without that being an attempt to deny anyone their right to have whatever diet they want.

Again, it seems like people bring critical of your sexual opinions/behavior in the past has made you overly sensitive and apt to interpret otherwise neutral comments as criticism of you. 

[Rovim]

21 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Again, it seems like people bring critical of your sexual opinions/behavior in the past has made you overly sensitive and apt to interpret otherwise neutral comments as criticism of you. 

to be fair, we don't know anything about that poster, and I don't want to be an asshole, but that would explain a lot. Insecure about herself and how she doesn't want to have the groupie label so she gets defensive and judges everyone but herself. it's just speculation, but I agree.

ironic reading her using the word "projecting" multiple times.

Edited January 16 by Rovim