"The General" is officially delayed... but "The General" AND "Monsters" is (unofficially) out of the bag

[jacdaniel]

4 hours ago, DannyVinyard said:

Slash being on it is the downside to me. I don't believe his solos will top Finck's or Buckethead's original solos, similar to every other CD song he's redone, live and in studio. 

He's a legendary guitarist with lots of legendary riffs and solo's. 

The 2 you mention could barely fill a theatre. 

CD stuff is certainly not Slash's style but he has enhanced lots of it already. 

[WhazUp]

4 hours ago, DannyVinyard said:

Slash being on it is the downside to me. I don't believe his solos will top Finck's or Buckethead's original solos, similar to every other CD song he's redone, live and in studio. 

I thought his Hard Skool solo was fitting, the Absurd leads were fun, many of the live leads he does, while some may be shreddy, I think are for the most part fitting (Better, Sorry, CD, etc.) and actually like his Perhaps solo

All in all I am excited to hear his work on The General and the idea of Slash being on it entices me still than any of the CD guys personally - and I love Bucket

Edited August 20, 2023 by WhazUp

[Seb91]

I think Atlas would have been received better if it had come out sooner (well, I mean, technically it still hasn't! ). It's a fine piano led rock song but nothing extraordinary. I put it down to the title really - the title coming from a philosophical novel and the fact NuGuns had some epic songs meant I was expecting some proggy masterpiece and was really surprised when it was a fairly standard rock song which was very similar to Catcher. 

In terms of The General and Soul Monster - if the clip's anything to go by then it is more proggy NuGuns than a straightforward rocker or ballad. If Soul Monster is Me and My Elvis then I feel it's safe to say that's already an epic as an instrumental, in fact I still listen to it regularly and it's my favourite of the Village Leaks. With some vocals and a waily Slash solo then I'd be very surprised if I was underwhelmed. 

Edited August 20, 2023 by BassistSeb

[Free Bird]

1 hour ago, Voodoochild said:

I disagree. I think his solos in Absurd and HS were better. 

Haven't heard the original versions but HS is very GNR sounding, without a question something that couldn't be done by any other guitarist besides of Slash and the guitar solos on Absurd are brilliant. 

Perhaps solo ain't special but it fits the song and I like it more than what Finck contributed to it.

[Carlson-online]

Fully expecting this to be a very “far out “ song and not what people expect it to be.

brain said it was named after a chicken brand and included samples and rather left field. So I’m expecting something along the lines of rick astley meets electro pop 

[liers]

Maybe this has been mentioned and I missed it, but why do people think that state of grace became the general?

[jacdaniel]

12 minutes ago, liers said:

Maybe this has been mentioned and I missed it, but why do people think that state of grace became the general?

I think because the general was missing from the village leaks and the village leaks seems to contain all their material. 

[WhazUp]

20 minutes ago, liers said:

Maybe this has been mentioned and I missed it, but why do people think that state of grace became the general?

I think because in the audio of the cellphone clip there is a beat that sounds a tiny bit similar to the BPM to SOG however it is a fairly standard 4/4 groove so as of now I think it is just not enough to go by - especially seeing as the orchestral part and the parts we can make out in the cellhpone recording are in totally different keys

[GNR4Ever2024]

leave it up to this forum to all ready saying a song sucks when we havent even heard it.

For past 16 years RELEASE THE GENERAL.

 

2023 The General Sucks Acktually 

[avahland]

43 minutes ago, liers said:

Maybe this has been mentioned and I missed it, but why do people think that state of grace became the general?

Jarmo said that the next song to be released (The General) is a song that nobody has heard yet.
So I guess that it can't be State of Grace or any of the other leaks.

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

I’m very cautiously optimistic. To me, there’s been nothing on the Village Leaks that even came close to anything that could’ve been on Chinese Democracy (okay, maybe Hard Skool, but even that one would’ve been on the lower end of CD). After all - Atlas Shrugged was also a really hyped (at least to me) and when we finally heard the leak, it was a major let down (to me).

Still, the cell phone recording of The General sounds at least semi-promising. I’m excited.

[Lethalis]

All these people waiting for the release to listen to it... I will listen to anything I can get my hands on lol.

Can't wait for the rehearsals.

The cell phone clip is enough for me to think it's going to be a heavy song... and it is not State Of Grace.

[Lio]

It's odd how people would think it's state of grace. I can't remember anyone at the time thinking that 🤔

Maybe I forgot but in my mind the general was always the big one missing. 

I'm sure it can never live up to the expectancy. Some Will love it, others won't. It's like atlas shrugged.

I'm just happy we get another song, completely new to us. I hope they release it before the end of october 🤞🏻

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

2 minutes ago, Lio said:

Maybe I forgot but in my mind the general was always the big one missing. 

And Soul Monster, which is probably equally as hyped.

Though I’m of the belief that we’ve heard the backing track for Soul Monster - Me & My Elvis on the Village Leaks. It’s only okay, but it’s on the upper end of the Village Leaks, so that’s something.

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

Meanwhile, Slash is one of the greatest guitar players of all time (in my opinion *the* greatest - I don’t think that should be a controversial opinion on a Guns N’ Roses forum), and yet we have people here complaining about a song they haven’t heard because he’s going to be on it.

2023 is the worst.

[Nick85]

2 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

Meanwhile, Slash is one of the greatest guitar players of all time (in my opinion *the* greatest - I don’t think that should be a controversial opinion on a Guns N’ Roses forum), and yet we have people here complaining about a song they haven’t heard because he’s going to be on it.

2023 is the worst.

This. And I’ll keep saying it, if this track really is the spiritual successor to Estranged, Slash *needs* to be on it, and obviously Axl Rose thankfully agrees.

[DeadHorseinaComa]

I mean, it's gotta be the unknown Song that was rehearsed by Frank about a year ago right?

[Nick85]

3 minutes ago, DeadHorseinaComa said:

I mean, it's gotta be the unknown Song that was rehearsed by Frank about a year ago right?

We’ll find out soon, but I think it’s a fairly safe bet now that they were indeed rehearsing bits of The General in those clips.

[Underhardy]

29 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

And Soul Monster, which is probably equally as hyped.

Though I’m of the belief that we’ve heard the backing track for Soul Monster - Me & My Elvis on the Village Leaks. It’s only okay, but it’s on the upper end of the Village Leaks, so that’s something.

I believe ‘Seven’ is another supposedly epic song that should have hype behind it, if ever heard. 

[mikeman5150]

Wasn’t the general consensus years ago that the general was the intro song they played on the 06’ tour, the long doomy sounding instrumental that led into WTTJ?  Or am I remembering something else. So much speculation with these guys, it’s hard to keep it straight 

[colonizedmind]

"There's a couple of epic ones coming out and I'm really excited about that" - Slash...

Obviously just my assumption but I think the ones to come will be more guitar heavy and more Slash moments to shine, as if they're "more epic" than what came before, it's probably gonna be tunes be got more stuck into and a chance to show off his guitar work, that's what more epic could be when applied to his opinion. I'm down.

[CAFC Nick]

11 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

Wasn’t the general consensus years ago that the general was the intro song they played on the 06’ tour, the long doomy sounding instrumental that led into WTTJ?  Or am I remembering something else. So much speculation with these guys, it’s hard to keep it straight 

Yep that’s correct

[Its Tino]

2 hours ago, BassistSeb said:

I think Atlas would have been received better if it had come out sooner (well, I mean, technically it still hasn't! ). It's a fine piano led rock song but nothing extraordinary. I put it down to the title really - the title coming from a philosophical novel and the fact NuGuns had some epic songs meant I was expecting some proggy masterpiece and was really surprised when it was a fairly standard rock song which was very similar to Catcher. 

In terms of The General and Soul Monster - if the clip's anything to go by then it is more proggy NuGuns than a straightforward rocker or ballad. If Soul Monster is Me and My Elvis then I feel it's safe to say that's already an epic as an instrumental, in fact I still listen to it regularly and it's my favourite of the Village Leaks. With some vocals and a waily Slash solo then I'd be very surprised if I was underwhelmed. 

I don’t recall Atlas having any piano whatsoever.

[DarkLotus1111]

Wasn't there two different intros for "The General" back in 2006? I could've remember back in 2006 there was a different version of that intro. Can anyone confirm?

There used to be a video on YouTube about the intro I'm talking about. I remember it was from Hungary.

Edited August 20, 2023 by DarkLotus1111

[evader]

This is some great discussion and speculation.

Regarding whether or not the recreation was fantasy, I suppose in a sense it at least partially was. Maybe like apophenia/pareidolia (not sure if that's the right way to describe it). But, since we already knew way back then that there was an unreleased tune about child abuse, and since (among other instances) I thought I'd heard the word "child" sung in the screaming section at least once......well, who knows?

Anyway, like I said before, my work on that clip was not complete, and a number of things on that version were intentionally seasoned with Buckethead material that IS NOT part of the cell clip (including the replaced solo).

When it was used in a trade and subsequently leaked, I quit working on it, and pretty much quit working on anything related to GNR.