john lennon Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I agree with you, at least somewhat. I think Chinese Democracy is a bit underrated, but I don't think it's like the best record ever made. There are some kickass songs on it, but the rest is, imo, mostly shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricTear Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I have some friends who listen good music but for some reason don't like GNR or they are like: "Welcome to the Jungle is their only good song, rest of songs are shit." (never even heard other songs) I'd like to show them some songs from CD 'cause it has nothing to do with old Guns. But CD is so different and "strange" so I'm sure my friends would hate it so I don't even try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Madagascar would've sounded so much better if Axl sang it with some clean vocals, like he did at RIR 3, and not like he was taking a shit. That's the biggest disappointment on the album for me. That and the Street of Dreams intro being changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Bumblefeet said: I personally don't get the preference for the demo versions. The solo on Catcher was a patch job (Brian May himself disavowed it), many of the demos have backing tracks, drums, samples and transitions that sound dated and incomplete and luckily got pushed way back for the album mix (CD, Better, TWAT). I own the demos bootleg but I rarely listen to it. The album versions are far superior. The solos on CD are all patch work too LOL Axl cut and pasted the whole album together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefuck Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 41 minutes ago, Crazyman said: Madagascar would've sounded so much better if Axl sang it with some clean vocals, like he did at RIR 3, and not like he was taking a shit. That's the biggest disappointment on the album for me. That and the Street of Dreams intro being changed. Yeah, I remember that Street of dreams sounded great with the additional guitar melody that wasn't included on CD. Madagascar sounded a lot better at RIR as well. Conclusion: I agree with everything you said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan--97 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Madagascar was the weak link, sounded really clean at the 2002 vmas also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 12 hours ago, JohnnyGtar said: Seein' as I hooked up Richard with a guitar that he used on that album I can't even tell where Richard is on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak1nney Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The only songs that never grew on me were If the World, IRS, and Rhiad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Wheel Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 There is too much happening at once in a lot of moments. This specific characteristic limits "Catcher in the Rye" for me. It should've been simple, like "Patience," but there are about four or five musical elements happening at the same time and it's too much to comprehend. "Better" is a good song, in my opinion. "Prostitute" is the best, even most heartfelt and emotional song. "IRS" is the most underrated song. The riff on IRS is pretty good, to me. Other than that, the rest is somewhere between below average and slightly above average. It's a good album, and I'd even classify it as the next step for the "Guns N' Roses" discography, but it's not better than the UYIs or AFD. It even misses on the charming factor of Lies. ChiDem doesn't know what it's supposed to be. It's too all over the place and has too much going on musically for me to think it's better than just "good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Wheel Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 6 hours ago, RussTCB said: Back in 1987. The biggest argument people usually make against this to me is "...BUT AFD THOUGH!". Here's my thoughts on the situation: I like or love 13 of the 14 songs on CD. I like or love 9 of the 12 tracks on AFD. So overall, I like CD more than AFD. It's obviously all subjective and personal preference, but here's my argument. I would argue that, while I also like just 8 or 9 of the 12 AFD songs and enjoy 10 of the 14 songs on UYI II, the preference of more individual songs doesn't mean the album is better. AFD comes together as a whole much better than UYI I, UYI II, or ChiDem. Even if I don't like "Anything Goes" much, it fits with the rest of the album in terms of vibe, tempo, and the story told. Same thing for "You're Crazy." It "belongs" on AFD. Only the four B sides on Lies can compare in how they mesh with one another, but that's four songs compared to a full album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Hasan--97 said: Madagascar was the weak link, sounded really clean at the 2002 vmas also how on earth is it Madagascar the weak link with songs like Scrapped and Raid? i like the rough vocals...i think it goes well with the song about being beat down but refusing to give up Edited April 27, 2016 by -W.A.R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 8 hours ago, maxpax said: UYI was also overproduced but perfect. Except My World...which gave us a hint in which direction Axl wanted to go ~> NIN. CD was changed so many times that they washed out the blues, dirty ol' rock n roll, punk and rawness of GnR. And then a guy called Pitman remixed these 1000 ideas of Axl and 100s of different musicians...CD is weird shit. As a solo record great, but as a gnr record it failed. Comparing My World to NIN is offensive to NIN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan--97 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said: how on earth is it Madagascar the weak link with songs like Scrapped and Raid? i like the rough vocals, i think it goes well with the song about beating down but refusing to give up I like the song but when its with clean vocals rather then the raspy vocals used in the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Chinese Democracy should be re-released in acoustic form. We would be able to sense the soul of those songs and realize how amazing they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, killuridols said: Chinese Democracy should be re-released in acoustic form. We would be able to sense the soul of those songs and realize how amazing they are Absolutely. I mean they don't have to do the whole album... but there's some killer songs in there buried in overproduction. Acoustic Madagascar... uhhhhh I need it. And better-Better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 5 hours ago, Silent Jay said: After 8 years I still have the feel n't get it completlblueth it, it's obsessing. Sound so great I'm lost everytime I think Chinese's colour is dark red, Shackler is definitely blue, Better is green, obvious, SOD is light red, If The World yellow, twat gray, catcher yellow blue light, scraped red/pink, riad gray/blue, Sorry dark red, IRS yellow, Madagascar heavy green, TIL is black/violet, Prostitute light blue. It's a great palette of colours, the finest piece of art. Gonna listen If The World and I.R.S. For me itas, Chidem is red Shacklers is yellow Better is blue SOD is blue ITW Is green TWAT is red Catcher is blue Scraped and Riad I dont have colors for Sorry is Blue IRD is red TiL is yellow Prostitue is yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 29 minutes ago, MrSoftie said: Absolutely. I mean they don't have to do the whole album... but there's some killer songs in there buried in overproduction. Acoustic Madagascar... uhhhhh I need it. And better-Better. Uuuh don't make me start dreaming/drooling about it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Never heard it, actually I've never even seen a copy of it. One day i might give it a try but not yet. I know its a GnR record but its not my GnR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shjtjustgotreal Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 jesus christ the demos are really way better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 1 minute ago, shjtjustgotreal said: jesus christ the demos are really way better Should i listen to them first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shjtjustgotreal Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just now, janrichmond said: Should i listen to them first? no get used to the album version and then move to the demos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I will one day,thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Hasan--97 said: I like the song but when its with clean vocals rather then the raspy vocals used in the album agree to disagree one of the things that took awhile to warm up to on CD was Axl's clean vocals and im still not crazy about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples87 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 TWAT and Better are the only good songs on here. Street of Dreams is sooooo bad..........it makes Winger sound like Mozart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 alot of people saying demo versions are better. no the album versions are better but when i want a change i love listening to the acapella versions. and whats with all you guns n roses fans saying you have not heard CD yet and you regard it as an axl solo album ? its the second best guns n roses album(after AFD) released. i forget what forum member said it but he thinks CD is the most underrated rock album of all time. and i agree with him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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