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You're expecting a band that didn't play together in 17 years to simply go onstage, wihout rehearsing or something, and do a killer perfomance? Just because people in there are demanding it? That would be a disaster :rofl-lol:

If they wanna play there, they gotta play together again to get the chemistry back. A "surprise" show like this would only result in mass lol.

using the beastie boys' instruments :lol:

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You're expecting a band that didn't play together in 17 years to simply go onstage, wihout rehearsing or something, and do a killer perfomance?

Well the current band manage it well enough without rehearsing. I'm sure the old guys know Jungle well enough to play and Axl should be okay to sing along.

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Not saying they will, because I don't really think so, but they could pull off songs like KOHD, Nightrain and WTTJ with easy.

Band Politics:

No social unit has been more glorified by the megaphone of pop-culture than the rock band. From Josie and the Pussycats to the Partridge Family, from the Monkees to Spinal Tap, members of rock bands are presumed to live lives of eternal adolescence,indulge in orgies of sexual conquest, and share unbreakable bonds of friendship. The public eats up biographies of famous bands and studies their histories in the innumerable documentaries available And, it goes without saying that everyone wants to be in a rock band. Look no further of the success of the "Guitar Hero" video game. People yearn to be on stage.

I can say that being in a band is nothing like how it's presented by popular culture (though "Spinal Tap" gets close.) Let me bust two most ridiculous myths I often see presented about band life.

*Myth #1: Band Members are Best Friends in the Whole Wide World, Forever! Members of bands are often presented as a unified,singular tribe of like-minded misfits. They dress the same. They have the same haircuts. Take a look at a poster featuring the latest heavy metal band and you will see a glowering band of brothers, united in their determination to rock. Take a gander at most modern pop groups and you see what appears to be a blissful communitarian marriage, devoid of any acrimony.

Of course, anyone who's ever been in a band, or know someone in a band, or has been conscious for a single hour during the past 40 years knows this is a crock of shit. Band members often do like each other, but they just as often can't stand each other, or are indifferent to each other, or just don't find each other very interesting. Mick hated Keith (probably still does.) In their prime, Ray and Dave Davies of The Kinks could barely stand each other. And according to a Certain group of Fuckin' Idiots-Axl Rose hates every person he's ever shared a stage with, as well as every person who's ever lived. :rolleyes:

Such fiery relationships are not unpredictable. The stated purpose of a band is to create music. Unfortunately, music is a vague, ill-defined thing. There are no set rules, and different people will have different ideas about what constitutes "good" music. This can lead to a lot of discussions and arguments were the only real arbitrator of what is right or true is the intensity of displayed emotion.

*Myth # 2: Musically Speaking, All Band Members are in Total Agreement When you watch band interviews, or read band bios, you often get the impression that every member of the band is on the same page when it comes to music. They all appear to share the same same cultural background, and liked the same kind of music growing up. If there's any disagreement, it's granular. The lead singer might say something like,"Jizzy, our guitar player, tends to be into screamo death metal, while I prefer post-80s hard-core, but we've managed to coalesce these different influences into a consistent sound."

Personally, I've never been in a band where everyone is on the same page musically. I have seen bands where the drummer only liked 80s heavy metal, whereas the guitar player listened exclusively to traditional jazz. That said, most musicians --- almost by definition --- have pretty wide ranging tastes. If you're shooting to be a professional musician and you know you're going to get called up for country gigs, and jazz gigs, and rock gigs, to accept or ignore.

Nonetheless, sometimes the fact that individual band members have disparate influences does become a problem. Every experienced musician has been in a least one band where the guitar player thought he was in a reggae band while the drummer thought he was in a funk band, and no one wanted to confront the elephant in the room. Bringing different influences to the table can be a great thing, and lead to some great music, but every member has to be willing to meet the others somewhere near the halfway point.

The solution to these problems might seem obvious: only join bands with people you like and with whom you share compatible tastes. Unfortunately, it's not that easy. The reason for this might surprise some people: there's a shortage of musicians.

Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego --- In those metropolises you can't go 2 feet without tripping over some long-haired, lice ridden goon lugging a guitar or bass drum around. But most musicians want to play with people of similar musical ability --- nobody wants to feel like they have to carry the band, or be outclassed --- and that limits your pool of potential band members. On top of that, people want to play in bands where everyone shares the same commitment level. If it's a weekend "for fun" band that should be acknowledged, as it should if the goal is to become rock gods.

Commitment is a necessary topic to discuss,but seldom is.

At this point, you have two options. One is to look around in your group of friends for people you'd like to play with. The second is to post an ad on a bulletin board or in any musicians publication looking for players. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages.

*Friends: Advantages: You know you get along with them (they are your friends, after all.) Disadvantages: Being in a band together is a great way to ruin a friendship. And you may find you over or underestimated their musical ability due to your desire to have them in the band.

*Strangers: Advantages: You can very specifically spell out your requirements in terms of style and commitment level without feeling any guilt. Disadvantages: You have no idea whether you get along with this person. Months can go by before they announce that they are committed to the cause of white separatism,but nevertheless they show their True Colors.

Regardless of how you find your fellow band members, the day will eventually arrive when you realize you have to kick someone out of your band. Calling up and firing a band member often a good friend is one of the most gut wrenching things to do .The dismissal of a band member, however, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with him as a person (yes, sometimes it does) but simply their musical ability. There's no getting around what you're fundamentally saying during that conversation: "You suck.or- "You are fucked up-Gone!"

It may seem like I'm focusing on the negative here, but that's only to offset the glowing affirmations of the band life as it is presented in popular culture.

That said, it ain't no fuckin' Partridge family.

*copied + compiled from my saved e-mail,got no idea who 2 credit w/this.

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Didn't read, way too long about something that had nothing to do with what I was saying. I was talking about songs that are easy to play (sans WTTJ, but I'm sure they all still know this song pretty well), and that's it.

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If they played together I guess the band could pull off any AFD classic easily. Even if they messed-up I'm sure the fans would love it and wouldn't notice a thing. When Axl did what he did at the last Rock in Rio he was the only one in the spotlight. When he butchered November Rain nobody was watching DJ or Frank. With the old guys, he wouldn't feel that pressure. I guess even him being so nervous about these things would actually put on a good performance. He would try even harder to show Slash how great he is (Slash would do the same, probably). So I guess, awkwardness aside, the performance could be good. The other guys are all in good terms. Maybe, it wouldn't be a disaster, after all.

Axl can stay home if he wants but I sure want the other guys to have fun and celebrate the induction, it's a nice thing for any musician. I know that any Axl-Slash interaction will be awkward and cringe-worthy. Slash even gave happy b-day to the "redhead" didn't he? But Axl is a mistery. My guess is that he still hates Slash. He's 50. Even surrounded by people who constantly spoil him, he should act more adult.

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Let me just say that I am a fan of the new band, but I also think it would be super cool if for one night the old members got together and played a couple songs at the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame ceremony. So here's my question ... Assuming they all show up to accept their awards ... What would happen if the audience started chanting "Just one song!" It would be a public relations nightmare (in my opinion) if they didn't oblige. That's all most people want to see, just one more song. Then everyone could get on with their lives and continue to support Axl and the awesome band that is the new Guns N Roses.

Public Relations Nightmare? What public? What relations? What nightmare? What? What are you talking about?

Huh?

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Fuck. The. Reunion.

Fuck the reunion? Lets talk about facts and success

1985-1993 5 studio albums,Appetite,Lies, 2 Ilussions and Spagetti.

Apettite 1 of the albums is a legendary masterpiece one of the biggest album gods created, 2 illusions 2 masterpiece and milions of people converted

Since 1985 to 1993 i dont know how many tours and people,but as i said later,the conquered the world,te shows where MOST OF THEM awesome,and the band was set on fire on stage.Only a few but very well know bad days.

Since 2001 to 2012 One record,that its not a masterpiece,has 5 or 6 GOOD songs.At least 4 tours ,2 of them 2001-2002 and 2011-2012 Axl singing really bad in a bad shape, 1 of them singing really good 2006 and the other one 2010 singing like 90s.

Also many many bad reviews,and many people joking ( people apart of the Gnrforumworlds) about how fat was,how he sounded,etc...

So fuck reunion? check what each lineup has done,in more or less the same time.NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Yes,Reunion PLEASE!

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I think I got over the band of brothers idea pretty quick. Faith No More always seemed to hate each other, The Doors movie really showed how a band was turmoil. Then bands like Manics where a band member died possibly but they still carried on. also, Oasis they sacked their first line up. Happy Mondays, who knows they were too messed up know but it wasn't stable.

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I think I got over the band of brothers idea pretty quick. Faith No More always seemed to hate each other, The Doors movie really showed how a band was turmoil. Then bands like Manics where a band member died possibly but they still carried on. also, Oasis they sacked their first line up. Happy Mondays, who knows they were too messed up know but it wasn't stable.

Sharp n' Savvy! Was simply blowing some myths away,to present a clearer picture.

Can lead a horse to water but can't make them read.

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Fuck. The. Reunion.

Fuck the reunion? Lets talk about facts and success

1985-1993 5 studio albums,Appetite,Lies, 2 Ilussions and Spagetti.

Apettite 1 of the albums is a legendary masterpiece one of the biggest album gods created, 2 illusions 2 masterpiece and milions of people converted

Since 1985 to 1993 i dont know how many tours and people,but as i said later,the conquered the world,te shows where MOST OF THEM awesome,and the band was set on fire on stage.Only a few but very well know bad days.

Since 2001 to 2012 One record,that its not a masterpiece,has 5 or 6 GOOD songs.At least 4 tours ,2 of them 2001-2002 and 2011-2012 Axl singing really bad in a bad shape, 1 of them singing really good 2006 and the other one 2010 singing like 90s.

Also many many bad reviews,and many people joking ( people apart of the Gnrforumworlds) about how fat was,how he sounded,etc...

So fuck reunion? check what each lineup has done,in more or less the same time.NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Yes,Reunion PLEASE!

5 or 6 good songs? lololol

If they reunite Axl will sing better? You need a cup of reality man ;)

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So it seems like the rumours are that Liam will be inducting Guns at RRHOF. Just for fun, who would you have induct them? Try to be somewhat realistic...

How about Alice Cooper or Elton John?

I've actually always thought Alice would be a good choice.

Or how about Bach? :lol:

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