Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) Are they trying to add songs to it so it's stronger? Include Ballad of Death, Better remix, Goin' Down, Fortus/Slash song.Perhaps not even songs. Layers and layers of Pitmans on Slash's riff idea thingy and you can barely, just barely hear a faint guitar and it's Paul Huge playing the riff backwards. Edited October 17, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceguy Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 He just wanted to put out one or two quality ones.Yeah but what if Jimmy page on drumsBut how if James Hetfields on bass? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 ha CD era as if there ever was one...besides 2002 which lasted all of 2 months Agreed. All those epic 2006/2007/2010 shows and the album itself and another ready to go is not enough to be called the Chinese era. From Bucket to Bumble and everything in between was not an era, and it wasn't Chinese.oh ya totally! im sure all of the orginal GNR fans (90% of true fans)/general population) that thought gnr died after 95 really knew about all those 'epic' shows of hired guns would consider a truly subpar album miliked to the fucking bone an era yeah buddy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 oh ya totally! im sure all of the orginal GNR fans (90% of true fans)/general population) that thought gnr died after 95 really knew about all those 'epic' shows of hired guns would consider a truly subpar album miliked to the fucking bone an era yeah buddy....People still pay to go see Axl's band live. They did in the years I've specified as well, and he delivered. "Buddy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 oh ya totally! im sure all of the orginal GNR fans (90% of true fans)/general population) that thought gnr died after 95 really knew about all those 'epic' shows of hired guns would consider a truly subpar album miliked to the fucking bone an era yeah buddy....People still pay to go see Axl's band live. They did in the years I've specified as well, and he delivered. "Buddy".maybe he delivered a bit but not an era more of a blip...buddy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) maybe he delivered a bit but not an era more of a blip...buddy lolI don't know motherfucker... seems to me he was pretty tight vocally in those years yo. He toured Chinese for a while and sang every song well. I guess you could say it was a Chinese Blipmocracy. Edited October 17, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 maybe he delivered a bit but not an era more of a blip...buddy lolI don't know motherfucker... seems to me he was pretty tight vocally in those years yo. He toured Chinese for a while and played every song well. I guess you could say it was a Chinese Bliptocracy.lol sure, now change the topic to Chinese Bliptocracy.Era Over? LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 lol sure, now change the topic to Chinese Bliptocracy.Era Over? LMAOBlipmocracy ends soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) But we know Axl has said he finds it hard to let go. His quote to Del says it all "Depends how you look at it" it's never really finished you just have release it eventual, or not.Brian May said that Axl reminds him of Freddie in that he is "utterly meticulous". Brain talked about how Axl spotted a tiny mistake in his drumming.Alice Cooper has said on laying down his vocals to The Garden that he thought to himself "at some point it's got to be good enough" after doing many, many takes.And Chinese sounds like the work of a man that could barely let go of it. Robin had to convince him to release This I Love, probably because of it's deep meaning to Axl, almost intimate.Maybe that's a good example that shows how attached he is to his songs, and maybe to the process itself. Even if he described getting Chinese done as a nightmare. Edited October 17, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 But we know Axl has said he finds it hard to let go. His quote to Del says it all "Depends how you look at it" it's never really finished you just have release it eventual, or not.Brian May said that Axl reminds him of Freddie in that he is "utterly meticulous". Brain talked about how Axl spotted a tiny mistake in his drumming.Alice Cooper has said on laying down his vocals to The Garden that he thought to himself "at some point it's got to be good enough" after doing many, many takes.And Chinese sounds like the work of a man that could barely let go of it. Robin had to convince him to release This I Love, probably because of it's deep meaning to Axl, almost intimate.Maybe that's a good example that shows how attached he is to his songs, and maybe to the process itself. Even if he described getting Chinese done as a nightmare.i thought of this today actually when listening to nighttrain, you can hear axl humming almost in barritone as an extra bass, this was an extra touch that is awesome indeed, post adler, axl lost his head a bit and was too finicky it seems, chinese democracy is crap, overproduced i actually really liked the live beaten down versions prior to the CD release such as madagascar in RIO 2001 if you look up the word overproduction in the dictionary - there is a picture of CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) You can't just remove Bucket and Robin from the material without paying them some royalties.I don't care what legal "employee" fuckery Axl pulled in the past, he can't get out of that.He can do whatever he wants with it. He owns it. He already paid Bucket and Robin for their services. And Izzy said Axl asked him to give him Down By The Ocean.i thought of this today actually when listening to nighttrain, you can hear axl humming almost in barritone as an extra bass, this was an extra touch that is awesome indeed, post adler, axl lost his head a bit and was too finicky it seems, chinese democracy is crap, overproduced i actually really liked the live beaten down versions prior to the CD release such as madagascar in RIO 2001 if you look up the word overproduction in the dictionary - there is a picture of CD Personally I love the production on Chinese. I think it sounds great. Only song I would trade productions with is Catcher, but the studio version has it's qualities as well and I love it, even if it's not as magical as the demo was imo. Edited October 17, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Only on songwriting (publishing royalties) - which is where all the money is. He can do anything he wants with the performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) The record company technically owns the material.It depends on the legal language of their contracts but for the songs that Robin/Bucket wrote, they'll be credited at a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if he did remove them in non-essential parts but it's hard to imagine wholesale re-recording on those "Bucket" and "Robin" songs. We'll see.Axl has total control of what makes it to the album and everything recorded in the vault is under his full artistic control. Example: last moment inclusion of This I Love. I trust Axl to use what's good. Edited October 17, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) The record company technically owns the material.It depends on the legal language of their contracts but for the songs that Robin/Bucket wrote, they'll be credited at a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if he did remove them in non-essential parts but it's hard to imagine wholesale re-recording on those "Bucket" and "Robin" songs. We'll see.Axl has total control of what makes it to the album and everything recorded in the vault is under his full artistic control. Example: last moment inclusion of This I Love. I trust Axl to use what's good.pro tools is not artistry, the 5 in that shitty rehearsal room of hookers is Edited October 17, 2015 by double talkin jive mfkr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 You would assume so - all this hinges on the contract of course - however record companies can piss and moan through AaR representatives and such like and have in the past been known to veto releases. According to Stinson, this was one of the reasons why Chinese Democracy was delayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) pro tools is not artistry, the 5 in that shitty rehearsal room of hookers is The recording studio is an instrument too. Pro Tools is at the center of it for many musicians. So yes it is, at least in some way.Did what Axl and caram accomplished with copy/paste and Catcher's guitar solo was art? I think it was. They said something musically which was constructed using a software, but there was an artistic process there as well like note choices and all sorts of shit. Edited October 17, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 pro tools is not artistry, the 5 in that shitty rehearsal room of hookers is The recording studio is an instrument too. Pro Tools is at the center of it for many musicians. So yes it is, at least in some way.Did what Axl and caram accomplished with copy/paste and Catcher's guitar solo was art? I think it was. They said something musically which was constructed using a software, but there was an artistic process there as well like note choices and all sorts of shit.i don't understand how anyone who loved gnr back in the day could ever love CD as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) i don't understand how anyone who loved gnr back in the day could ever love CD as wellThere are enough Guns elements I enjoy in CD and new elements to Chinese that compensate the lack of Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steven.Axl's voice is unique, so even if that was the only thing there to enjoy, I would have probably still liked the album. But I think it's got everything a great album needs to have, regardless of the differences between it to old Guns. Edited October 17, 2015 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Honestly, if said wanted it to be released, it will be, be it 1, 2, 5, or 10 years from now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 i don't understand how anyone who loved gnr back in the day could ever love CD as wellThere are enough Guns elements I enjoy in CD and new elements to Chinese that compensate the lack of Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steven.Axl's voice is unique, so even if that was the only thing there to enjoy, I would have probably still liked the album. But I think it's got everything a great album needs to have, regardless of the differences between it to old Guns.yes but were talking music though its an axl solo CD with mass over production not quite easy to listen to regardless of his unique voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 pro tools is not artistry, the 5 in that shitty rehearsal room of hookers is The recording studio is an instrument too. Pro Tools is at the center of it for many musicians. So yes it is, at least in some way.Did what Axl and caram accomplished with copy/paste and Catcher's guitar solo was art? I think it was. They said something musically which was constructed using a software, but there was an artistic process there as well like note choices and all sorts of shit.i don't understand how anyone who loved gnr back in the day could ever love CD as wellUh, maybe a broad music taste could explain it? Besides GNR I like stuff like Aphex Twin and all kinds of different music styles. IMO CD isn't that different compared to old GNR. It has pretty much everything that I loved about old GNR except rawness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 All I'm bothered about is as much music as possible. Good, bad, indifferent... I just want at least the opportunity to hear more Guns material and be able to debate its merits, or not.Best scenario for me therefore would be "CD2" or whatever it's called released, either as an album or box set, with Robin and Bucket, then (assuming the reunion is true) a reunion album after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 All I'm bothered about is as much music as possible. Good, bad, indifferent... I just want at least the opportunity to hear more Guns material and be able to debate its merits, or not.Best scenario for me therefore would be "CD2" or whatever it's called released, either as an album or box set, with Robin and Bucket, then (assuming the reunion is true) a reunion album after that.Yeah, I'd like "the vault" to be cleared out UYI style, and keep it as original/streamlined as possible...as in, no Ron, Frank and #demented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Release, release, release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 It was over when Bucket and Robin were gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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