m_rated96 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Ok so Izzy wouldn’t do the reunion guest spots because they wouldn’t “split the loot” However it makes no commercial sense for the band to do that because the addition of Izzy would have a negligible impact on tour revenue.. idea: the band should do a one-off, filmed original lineup reunion special (including a documentary on the band’s history). Stream it on Netflix or Prime or something and sell the rights. The “loot” of that could be split more equally. It’s a win-win: - the band gets a product they otherwise wouldn’t have had, so they are not “giving up” tour revenue but rather making new revenue they wouldn’t otherwise have. Meaning they should therefore be ok with giving Izzy a big share of it as he is key to its success - if successful, band gets more exposure, can tour with current tour lineup for many more years - so should help (not hurt) current lineup - Izzy will get good $$ from the special and won’t have to commit to touring - bring in Matt and Adler too. Probably wouldn’t have to pay them all that much. - fans get to see the OG together one last time! thoughts? hopefully a producer somewhere reads this and makes it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoMw94 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 It's just not worth the hassle. Izzy is basically an unknown outside of the diehard community, same with Steven and Matt. This wouldn't generate the sort of big payday people would expect it to. You only have to look at the reaction to mainstream events like Glastonbury for your answer. People saw that as Guns N' Roses being 'back' – nobody was asking about Izzy or Steven. They saw the redhead and the guy in the top hat, that's all 99% of people have ever cared about. The band had its big pay day and comeback moment when Slash came back. The moment's passed. An event like the one your suggesting won't move the needle. Izzy coming back would do nothing in terms of sales or exposure, it would only please a handful of diehards (who would still find a way to moan anyway). Nice idea in theory, but pointless in the real world. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_rated96 Posted October 1, 2023 Author Share Posted October 1, 2023 I disagree. There still hasn’t been a debut media event about the reunion; a documentary or special or “streaming feature” or similar. And the band doesn’t seem interested in ever doing a biopic. eg Take That’s reunion special was massive in the UK. Explored the drama tension and fights and led to a massively successful reunion eg Straight Out Of Compton biopic or The Last Dance (looser analogies..) I agree the casual fan doesn’t care about the original lineup. But in order to create a compelling in depth streaming documentary / feature there needs to be a “hook” and bringing back the original lineup “for the first time” is enough of a hook. It could explore the drama of the original lineup and end with a big reunion show with all 5 members There is no interesting streaming special without Izzy and the others, particularly given this lineup has been around for ages now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allwaystired Posted October 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2023 They're making shitloads of cash without Adler and Izzy and most people going to see them these days have no idea who they even are. If GNR can't even manage to release a live album, there's zero chance they're going to be able to do, or have any desire to do a documentary or film. They don't even do interviews about the band. Basically: no one is bothered, either within or outside the band. The ship has long since sailed. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURT19 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Here’s how the original lineup reunion would work… They do it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsnchalupas Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Remix and remaster UYI as one 45-50 minute album with Adler on drums, less overdubs, and a more rock-oriented sound. Take the acoustic version of November Rain, but redo it with a full band and Slash on electric guitar. Maybe throw in Ain't Goin' Down since it's a "new" song to most people. Call the album Ain't Goin' Down and market it as the lost follow-up to Appetite, if the band didn't fall apart. Do a short "exclusive" tour where the original band reunites for the first and last time ever. They will play both Appetite and Ain't Goin' Down straight through, which with solos would be a 2+ hour show. Maybe a dozen shows max in major arenas with the Bruce Springsteen/Taylor Swift model of the band ripping the fans off instead of the scalpers. Release the UYI documentary at this same time. Then the current band can go back to their tour, and if the reunion brought any real interest to the GNR brand, that interest will increase sales to their standard tour. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Some crazy ideas floating around here. Izzy would get the same share he was offered last time, he isn't in any better negotiating position, in fact he's in a worse position considering how successful the touring has been without Adler/Izzy/Sorum/Gilbys participation. So unless he has a change of heart there's nothing that will happen differently. I just don't see a major upside. Short term interest sure, but I don't see anything getting bigger or putting more butts in seats. As for releasing the best 45-50 minutes of UYI as one album?? I mean come on... does that need to be explained? It's over 30yrs old. The time to do that was when they were releasing the box set 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Why do people spend so much time thinking about things that clearly are not going to jappt 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gordon Comstock Posted October 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2023 It's kinda sad that there's people here still clinging to the hope of an AFD reunion. It's not happening, move on. The reunion happened exactly as Axl said it would back in 2011. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacdaniel Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 It would be a shame if the original 5 never play together on stage again and right now it looks like they never will. Just a one off show even 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsnchalupas Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Some crazy ideas floating around here. Izzy would get the same share he was offered last time, he isn't in any better negotiating position, in fact he's in a worse position considering how successful the touring has been without Adler/Izzy/Sorum/Gilbys participation. So unless he has a change of heart there's nothing that will happen differently. I just don't see a major upside. Short term interest sure, but I don't see anything getting bigger or putting more butts in seats. As for releasing the best 45-50 minutes of UYI as one album?? I mean come on... does that need to be explained? It's over 30yrs old. The time to do that was when they were releasing the box set From a marketing POV it was always about Axl and Slash together. Izzy is in a better position now, because the current version of the band is clearly less appealing to fans and promoters than it was in 2016 when this started. Izzy on his own means nothing, but Izzy and Adler together as a package deal so that they can do the legitimate AFD 5 reunion would mean something for a short period of time. Nobody will care a year from when it starts, but they could either use it as a draw to command higher prices to headline a series of festivals, or they could do high priced arena shows aimed at wealthy people with bad taste. You also have to keep in mind that there is a trickle down effect from an AFD 5 reunion. A short reunion brings more interest to the band as a whole for a short period of time after the AFD 5 reunion is over. Edited October 1, 2023 by gunsnchalupas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, gunsnchalupas said: From a marketing POV it was always about Axl and Slash together. Izzy is in a better position now, because the current version of the band is clearly less appealing to fans and promoters than it was in 2016 when this started. Izzy on his own means nothing, but Izzy and Adler together as a package deal so that they can do the legitimate AFD 5 reunion would mean something for a short period of time. Nobody will care a year from when it starts, but they could either use it as a draw to command higher prices to headline a series of festivals, or they could do high priced arena shows aimed at wealthy people with bad taste. but what about Adler's mom and the fact Izzy hasn't been on a tour since he was still in his 30's, why the hassle when they're doing fine on their own, the current lineup. It will also shift focus from the current lineup to the AFD5 and I'm not sure that Axl wants that to happen. Never say never, but Gn'R is doing victory laps all over the world, even releasing some old Chinese tunes, while still making a lot of money, so at least for now, I don't think there's a need for Axl to do that. For most Gn'R fans, it's all about Axl and Slash anyway, as was previously mentioned in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlvai Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Sadly.... one of the AFD line up will die. And this not gonna happen. Perhaps i'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Just now, gunsnchalupas said: From a marketing POV it was always about Axl and Slash together. Izzy is in a better position now, because the current version of the band is clearly less appealing to fans and promoters than it was in 2016 when this started. Izzy on his own means nothing, but Izzy and Adler together as a package deal so that they can do the legitimate AFD 5 reunion would mean something for a short period of time. Nobody will care a year from when it starts, but they could either use it as a draw to command higher prices to headline a series of festivals, or they could do high priced arena shows aimed at wealthy people with bad taste. They're still headlining festivals and they're charging more for tickets now than they were in 2016. Even though they're selling less, they're still making money. Izzy and Steven would make zero difference in a stadium setting, and they're already gouging fans for tickets to smaller shows (like Hollywood). If they wanted to generate some hype, they could release an album and announce an amphitheatre/arena tour (maybe a co-headline tour) with lower ticket prices. Better venues and better value is a good way to get more people in the seats at full price. And finally... do people actually think Richard, Dizzy and Melissa would leave if Izzy and Steven came back? They'd probably even keep Frank in the band, because Steven's not gonna be able to play 3 hours a night for a full tour and it doesn't seem like Axl wants to cut the show length in half. It would be ridiculous no matter what way they did it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 It's cloud cuckoo land to think a notoriously reclusive lead singer of a notoriously secretive band would ever agree to a documentary that followed them around. Even Perfect Crime got shelved and that was years ago before the walls went up and the cloak of secrecy got drawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 It's not happening (the AFD reunion) in the foreseeable future. But who knows, it may happen at some point. I remember Axl was asked by a fan about it in 2017/18 and said "Anything is possible" or something like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_rated96 Posted October 1, 2023 Author Share Posted October 1, 2023 we’re talking about a one off special The Last Dance style + a Zeppelin-reunion style single show. Not sure how that is cuckoo land. it’s probably a few months of work for the band and an excellent marketing opportunity for everyone involved it simply requires a motivate producer to make a pitch to the band. It’s less cuckoo land than the pitch that got GNR back at Coachella not a full tour not a “follow them around” situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom2112 said: Izzy would get the same share he was offered last time, he isn't in any better negotiating position, in fact he's in a worse position considering how successful the touring has been without Adler/Izzy/Sorum/Gilbys participation. So unless he has a change of heart there's nothing that will happen differently. The only leverage Izzy or Adler would ever have is if there was a huge offer on the table for an AFD residency. Other than that scenario, they aren't needed or required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, m_rated96 said: we’re talking about a one off special The Last Dance style + a Zeppelin-reunion style single show. Not sure how that is cuckoo land. it’s probably a few months of work for the band and an excellent marketing opportunity for everyone involved it simply requires a motivate producer to make a pitch to the band. It’s less cuckoo land than the pitch that got GNR back at Coachella not a full tour not a “follow them around” situation Because this is GNR. What have they ever done that makes a behind the scenes documentary likely? And when have they ever cared about marketing, let alone giving people any insight at all into what goes on within their organisation? Genuine questions here- I'm quite confused why, given GNR's history, something like this would be even considered a possibility? It's the complete opposite of the way they work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 hours ago, gunsnchalupas said: From a marketing POV it was always about Axl and Slash together. Izzy is in a better position now, because the current version of the band is clearly less appealing to fans and promoters than it was in 2016 when this started. Izzy on his own means nothing, but Izzy and Adler together as a package deal so that they can do the legitimate AFD 5 reunion would mean something for a short period of time. Nobody will care a year from when it starts, but they could either use it as a draw to command higher prices to headline a series of festivals, or they could do high priced arena shows aimed at wealthy people with bad taste. You also have to keep in mind that there is a trickle down effect from an AFD 5 reunion. A short reunion brings more interest to the band as a whole for a short period of time after the AFD 5 reunion is over. A year? When Smashing pumpkins got back together with the classic line up it was news for a week or two and then the hype was gone they did good business but not so much that they went from let's 1500 to 50000. The AFD thing would bring some eyes, but ultimately the problem with gnr today and its ability to move tickets is people ridiculing Axls voice and people seeing that and NOT seeing the other good performances. Best thing they can do to boost sales is get Axl firing on all cylinders on the hit songs that get recorded by fair weather fans and tik tok'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_rated96 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 hours ago, allwaystired said: Because this is GNR. What have they ever done that makes a behind the scenes documentary likely? And when have they ever cared about marketing, let alone giving people any insight at all into what goes on within their organisation? Genuine questions here- I'm quite confused why, given GNR's history, something like this would be even considered a possibility? It's the complete opposite of the way they work. I agree the band won’t do this of their own voilition. A pitch needs to be made to the band from a producer or production agency, the same kind that got them back together. I’m saying there is a good business case here for a production. Netflix or whoever could make a tonne of $$ from it. As could the band with relatively low effort. Where there is $$ there is a way! There is also a tonne of unreleased UYI footage and a tonne of unreleased backstage footage from this tour we have seen on Instagram and elsewhere. They offered guest spots to Gilby, Matt, Izzy and Steven in 2016. i don’t think they would be close minded to such a production if pitched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_rated96 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom2112 said: The AFD thing would bring some eyes, but ultimately the problem with gnr today and its ability to move tickets is people ridiculing Axls voice and people seeing that and NOT seeing the other good performances. Best thing they can do to boost sales is get Axl firing on all cylinders on the hit songs that get recorded by fair weather fans and tik tok'd. ?? TikTok videos don’t boost revenue. They lead to meaningless streams by disengaged fans. Pretty much all their revenue now comes from tour sales and they will continue to sell out tours probably for the rest of their lives with little effort. At this stage in their lives/career, the band should b concerned with legacy + potentially maximising earnings from non tour revenue. Hence why they may respond to such a pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, m_rated96 said: ?? TikTok videos don’t boost revenue. They lead to meaningless streams by disengaged fans. Pretty much all their revenue now comes from tour sales and they will continue to sell out tours probably for the rest of their lives with little effort. At this stage in their lives/career, the band should b concerned with legacy + potentially maximising earnings from non tour revenue. Hence why they may respond to such a pitch If they wanted to maximize profit from old music, it would probably be a lot easier for them to sell old pro-shots, live audio, documentaries, etc. to streaming platforms. But they don't even seem interested in doing that, nevermind actually reuniting with those guys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, m_rated96 said: ?? TikTok videos don’t boost revenue. They lead to meaningless streams by disengaged fans. Pretty much all their revenue now comes from tour sales and they will continue to sell out tours probably for the rest of their lives with little effort. At this stage in their lives/career, the band should b concerned with legacy + potentially maximising earnings from non tour revenue. Hence why they may respond to such a pitch Not sure what you're replying to... I wasn't suggesting GNR make tik tok videos....🤣 I was saying fans are posting embarrassing memes and videos of Axl singing. As far as the videos and disengaged fans. You can say they are meaningless, but they are shared millions of times and that impacts the perception of the band and that in turn impacts the bands ability to sell those extra few thousand seats. Also... Tik tok ABSOLUTELY boosts revenue, if tomorrow Patience is suddenly in every Tik tok video, there's revenue that comes from that in terms of people then streaming the song, and there's probably revenue if the videos are using the original track (I don't that last part for fact but I assume the same rules apply to Tik tok as they do to Youtube etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Cool… another fantasy thread. We don’t see those much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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