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  2. GN'R are as big of a band and have as much of a draw as the Stones do at this point...so no, they wouldn't open for the Stones. Maybe "Co-Headliner" type gigs. But that would mean ticket prices in excess of $300+ for nosebleed seats ($500+ for lower level) and that would actually hinder sales since Stones fans would not want to pay that much to see GN'R and GN'R fans would not want to pay that much to see the Stones. So probably not happening, imo.
  3. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    Well that is just your opinion.
  4. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Only people who take with the use of "easter worshippers" are trolls and people who literally have nothing better to complain about. https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/04/easter-worshippers-obama-hillary-conservative-backlash.html Before Sunday, to be clear, the term Easter worshipper was considered straightforward enough that the AP used it in a headline about another recent church-based international tragedy: “Tourists, Easter Worshippers Lament Closure of Notre Dame.” Nevertheless, let me try to help: “Easter worshippers” describes Christians in church on Easter Sunday. The term is more descriptive than “Christians,” because it conveys the additional fact that the victims were actively celebrating Easter when they were killed. They are worshippers, and it is Easter. If it helps, try putting the emphasis on worshippers in the phrase: It’s Easter worshippers, not Easter-worshippers. Here is how the construction works in similar contexts: • BBC: “Finsbury Park Attack: Roses for Ramadan Worshipers” • The Guardian: “Afghanistan Suicide Bomber Kills Eid Worshippers at Mosque, Police Say” • The Jewish Telegraphic Agency: “Homeless Couple Attacks Synagogue Worshippers in Buenos Aires” I would argue that it takes a true savant of exquisitely attuned grievance collection to read an individual reference to “Easter worshippers” as an attempt to avoid acknowledging Christianity. Easter is the most important holiday in the Christian calendar. “Easter” has no other meaning. As a celebration, it is far less secularly degraded than Christmas. Bunnies aside, it is basically inaccessible as a holiday to anyone uncomfortable with acknowledging the story of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If anything, “Easter worshippers” puts extra emphasis on the religious nature of the attack by pointing out that it happened on a day of special spiritual meaning to victims. It implies: Not only did you attack Christians, you did it today of all days.
  5. the eating stuff thread

    Sweet and sour cilantro-meatballs on a hamburger bun with a sprinkle of parmesan and sweet pickles. Next time I will top with blue cheese stuffed olives too.
  6. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    I don't use intuition. My parents supported the development of my inherent moral sense, and this, in combination with influence from my genes and society at large, has formed my ethical system. Except for the influence of my genes, I could have ended up with a very different ethical system if I had been brought up in a society with different values. So there is nothing really fixed to it. Not when religion is a curse upon mankind.
  7. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    It is because we believe in a heterogeneous world whereby one can believe in things other people don't and vice versa. It is usually better to draw a line under it.
  8. Another wave of copyright strikes?

    Had another round last night. This time they took: Welcome to the Jungle Whole Lotta Rosie Patience Live and Let Die
  9. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    No. You know I listen to music, drink beer and watch football. But the good life to me wouldn't be complete without some good discussions about religion, too. It is endlessly fascinating to me that people can believe in gods. Because it teaches people that something for which we have no evidence exists. And not only that, you are also using this fantasy to scare someone based on prehistoric morals instead of using the socially accepted morals.
  10. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    why is it morally wrong? if you say it is morally wrong, you say it is an ethical rule. Where is this rule written I ask? I can show you where it is written in my world: in the bible. "When they hit you, don't hit back but turn the other cheek". It's in the bible, a book more than 2000 years old that has the backing of billions of followers. Where is your book? Or is it, your "intuition"? that's a problem. Intuition isn't a good foundation for a moral rule. We need to somehow, dissect moral rules out of moral facts. But that is a tedious process, and you then have the burden of proof on top of it. this is actually a problem for ethicists, and whole fields of ethics are dedicated on "proving" a moral rule. Seeing how ethicists have problems "proving" moral rules, why go through the effort? It's all already written in the bible. Even the book of whisdom alone will provide you with a good bagage of moral rules, should you somehow lack those to begin with
  11. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    I agree, criminal laws aren't enough. Fortunately we have ethical systems on top of that. We are taught that hitting someone is wrong, not because we risk criminal punishment but because it is morally wrong. In addition, there is growing evidence that we are born with some moral sense expressed from our genes. So the combination of this, genes, ethical system, and the threat of criminal punishment, together seems to work fairly well. Religion doesn't seem to have much additive effect. Which is low religiosity, as seen in Norway, doesn't seem to lead to higher crime rates. I find it morally detestable to try to make people do good because of the threat of some imaginary, and cruel, god. Sorry, the existence of a universe isn't evidence of god.
  12. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    So it is only us who have this pleasure. Can you not just drink some beer or listen to some music? Watch Man - oh, sorry, better not watch Man U. There are surely better ways to derive pleasure than haranguing people about religion on a Guns N' Roses forum?
  13. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    here's a good piece of evidence of the existence of a creator: the universe
  14. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    How long? Probably since I realized that gods don't exist. That would be 30+ years by now. Have I ever helped to make someone reject superstition? Oh yes, I like to think I have. But I don't really discuss religion outside of discussion forums, I have found it really doesn't lend itself to social settings Of course I am susceptible to changing my opinions, on anything, really. Just provide a good argument or evidence and I will happily start believing in the supernatural. It is not a waste of time if someone finds my posts interesting, or if I am having fun. What seems to be a waste of time, though, is you complaining about me.
  15. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    I agree. there is no guarantee other christians will cherry pick the good ones. but the problem doesn't start with religion. the problem starts with the "ignorant mass" which by definition is stupid, egotistical and doesn't care about values. Man is born a wolf, and it needs to be tamed somehow. I maintain, that criminal laws in and of itself aren't sufficient. See how full the prisons already are. Now imagine that on top of that population, a whole group of people is added that doesn't have religious limits to their behaviour. Religion is (was) a stronger incentive to act good, than criminal laws. Not too long ago, the fear of going to hell FAR outweighed the fear of going to jail. Good luck to a "worldy" set of morals to provoke the same amount of fear in people than hell and satan.
  16. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    Well, as I said, I am happy you do. My problem is just, how can I know that other christians will cherry-pick the same texts? It is waaaaay too arbitrary for comfort. We REALLY shouldn't let a book based on the ethical systems of bronze and iron age people, peope who lived in very different societies in very different times, be the source for moral systems today. Especially not when the bible is claimed to be divinely inspired. That's a recipe for disaster. How long can we expect society to help guide christians to the right verses and reject the bad ones? How long until we again see violents sects pop up in chistianity as we see in islam?
  17. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    You have been having this same tired old argument how long? Why? What is the purpose? Have you ever diverted somebody away from faith and onto the path of atheism? I don't believe so. Are you yourself susceptible to being persuaded about faith? No. It is a complete waste of time. Every few weeks you trigger another one of these boring arguments and it is an utter waste of time.
  18. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    i'm not offended. when you point to wrong passages in the bible, I'll be the first to acknowledge them. these parts constitute a problem. But nothing that a person of good will couldn't downplay
  19. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    That's not at all what vipassana is. For starters it's 100% free and runs on donations and volunteers. It's for everyone. It's not atheistic or religious(despite originating from Buddhism) and there's no mysticism involved and everything is explained. Vipassana meditation is a literal, physical, experiential meditation technique that is entirely observable. You've only demonstrated a little bit of bullshit and hey you look like that ghost from Mario Kart so I'll still read the whole Bible, as I've been intending for quite a while. Thanks for the compliments. I've got nothing but love and respect for this guy: @janrichmond @gunsguy @RussTCB @downzy @alfierose (Please watch this clip.)
  20. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    That would be all well and good if religion wasn't such a burden on humanity. And I try not to harangue anyone, and hopefully @action won't feel it that way, either. If so, I apologize. But I won't hold my tongue when criticising the morality of the bible out of some fear that christians will be offended by it. Nothing is above criticism, not even religion or their holy tests. Progress comes from discussions, and then we just have to try to not let it become personal.
  21. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    fair enough. at the end of the day, we all have a choice to act good or bad. while I acknowledge, of course, that not everything in the bible has equal moral value, many things do. The bible is, you've said it, a compilation. "the church", which I despise, has decided which texts form the bible. Seeing how man has decided which texts form the bible, I reserve the right to cherry pick those that I "think" hold most value. As a start of being a good citizen, I think there are worse things than that here was me thinking you didn't like flower-power mumbo jumbo
  22. Avengers: Endgame

    (This isn't a spoiler, this is speculation): When you consider how many of these guys are done after this (Downey and Captain America) you would be led to believe that they will be the ones to kill Thanos. Since they're gone after this, might as well let them go down swinging hard, right? I don't think that's exactly the way it's going to be. When you think about it, why does the character of Nebula exist if not to kill Thanos? She's a secondary character, an antagonist and the sole piece of motivation since she first showed up, was to have vengeance on her father. It's much more likely to me that she will be the one to do the deed.
  23. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    It is not a joking matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Ukpabio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft_accusations_against_children_in_Africa I am sure Helen Ukpabio believes she has the bible on her side when she torments children she thinks is possessed by evil spirits. I am sure she uses the aforementioned verse as support for what she does. Her actions, and her ethical system, is based (at least partly) on scripture. Which goes back to where we started: the good book is certainly not good and it cannot be safely used to build an ethical system. If you do that you risk ending up as a monster who torments kids for being possessed, or monsters who murder 390 Easter worshippers in Sri Lanka. It all comes down to interpretation and emphases.
  24. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    Here is a novel idea: religious plurality. Allow the religious man to be religious without haranguing him, and the atheism man to be atheistic without haranguing. End of argument. Go and discuss Guns N' Roses or something or other.
  25. doubt it would happen. GNR is too big. but I kind of feel like if they do open for the stones, Izzy will somehow find his way up on that stage (hopefully with GNR). only way I could see it happening is incase the needed the quick publicity to promote another box set or dvd release. or heaven forbid to promote a new song.
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  27. The Religion/Spirituality Thread

    I was referring to the sum of all of us too. Again, see Durkheim for further doctrine in this subject secular laws need to be of course. Not everyone takes christianity as a good enough incentive to act good. That's when criminal law comes in. But millions, billions of people have refrained from bad behaviour, for the past millennia, on the sole basis of being afraid from hell. Even the biggest scumbag in history, Hitler, on different occasions reckognised the need to please a "creator", which probably refrained him from killing even more people (Hitler, Adolf (1999). Mein Kampf. Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, pp. 65, 119, 152, 161, 214, 375, 383, 403, 436, 562, 565, 622, 632–633).
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